We've finally reached the end. The name will be....
I know, it's a bit anti-climactic, but we've gone over the results and our current name won by a significant margin. We'll follow up with a post detailing the voting results in a few days.
Edit: The results data are available in responses to this comment.
For what it's worth, there were a lot of us that would have like to see the name change. The staff even had a chance to override this decision, but instead we decided to support the community's choice.
I'd like to thank everyone who spent a lot of time (and in some cases money) suggesting domains, voting, and bearing with us through this long complex process. It turned into a huge, non-trivial task to pull off, and I appreciate your patience and understanding. We listened to your criticisms of the process as well and we've learned a lot about how we can significantly improve this process for the future.
Okay, now cue all the "I told you that SoylentNews would win!1!!1!!" comments...
*pop* *fizzle* WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Soylent News !!!!! WOOOOOO!!!! *puke* WOOOOOOO!!!!!
I already forgot the other names on the ballot... um technocrap or something?
So did I. Forkdot was the only good alternate name on the ballot.
Champagne? OK, in keeping with the french theme, all I have to say is plus ca change ...
(Sorry, no idea how to format the c with a cedilla.)
Well that's curtains for me. I'm off to go find something else to do on the Web. Bye from Mr B
the name sucks, but it just means i won't be mentioning it in rl. doesn't mean that the community sucks though. i'll be staying cos i like chatting on soylent irc and occasionally trolling tfa comments on the sn website :-P
Honestly, as far as names go, even mentioning the other site in RL wasn't that fun either.
I'm actually pretty happy with that - Good Stuff.
Since I did vote in the first round I'm a bit annoyed though that I never saw an email or anything else inviting me to vote in the final round. Yes I've checked settings and spam filters etc.
It's not the end of the world, but is worth examining if other decisions come up in the future.
happened to me too, so don't feel lonely...
Ditto. Nothing from SN on voting. I was getting daily update emails, but even those stopped. The winner is what I would have voted for anyway.
I can dance to it, and it's got a good beat. I give it a 10.
(But mine goes one better! Mine goes all teh way to 11!)
I told you that SoylentNews would win!1!!1!!
See, I called it...
I just wanted to say thank you for giving it so much consideration and putting the time and effort into it.
Job well done, folks.
Yes this is a community success, mo matter the result.NExt up on the docket,changing the name of slashcode to soylentcode,spaghetticode,slashcode, or ____
Filter Error: Just like your lard ass, chump.
I've been lurking here almost since the beginning. I didn't register to vote because I'm not an active member of the community and thus didn't have any skin in the game, so to speak; but I like the name and I'm glad it won.
Nice one, guys.
Speaking of time... why will it take "a few days" to put up a post with the voting results? You already have the results, right?
Sorry for the delay. The results data have been compiled and written up in response to this comment:
And it's amusing that even you thought it was a stupid name! Out of interest.....why? Why was it called Soylent Green? What's the connection between a slashdot fork and a limp movie?
i got nothing against the name, but when there is a cultural history *and* a company called soylent making headlines regularly, it seems odd to me. on hearing 'soylent news' my first thought - i don't care about rich kids lazy (and misguided imho) food alternatives...
anyway, keep up the good work, *very* glad this place is here.
And it appears neither the food company nor the original movie company has clear title to the name or the word soylent.
We are not likely to run into trouble, because the Soylent food company is probably going bust soon anyway, because nobody likes it, its not significantly different from any other liquid diet, which as a class have proven pretty un-healthy.
I don't know; I would think that a company nobody likes that is supposedly going bust soon is the most likely to indiscriminately have lawyers cause trouble.
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
For whatever reason, I read your post as "Salinity prevailed." Perhaps it's the soylent food theme.
Seriously though it was already established as the name for some time so it was a foregone conclusion. If you wanted it otherwise it probably would have been best to figure out the name before you had soylentnews.org registered and everything and implying that it wasn't anything but a codename. I know that given the circumstances that couldn't be done, but honestly who cares. There's not enough soylent in the world (the stupid disrespect-to-the-name food doesn't count, just like it shouldn't count when you think of why this name isn't good enough).
I thought the name was good from the get go but my second choice would have been apt-get-news, which makes the geek in me happy. A proud nerd here!
I liked that too (even though I don't use debian for most systems anymore) but it's too debian-centric, and ubuntu-centric as sad as that is. Would have also implied that this is some kind of apt project site or a news site for debian itself.
If you ask me, it doesn't actually make sense if you stop to think about it either.
apt-get update - doesn't take an argument, and you don't read the ensuing file/output anywayapt-get install news - you only likely do this once, so it doesn't work as a recurring metaphor for fetching news either
apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade - often takes a really long time to run...is that the message we want to send? And again, you only actually look at the output if something goes wrong.
Yeah, especially if you consider the debian guidelines saying stuff should only output for unexpected conditions and errors if it isn't intended for a machine to read (e.g. piping to something). I guess you could just say the awesome power of soylent wrote an extension subcommand for news. But now we're really entering nerd territory.
I guess you could just say the awesome power of soylent wrote an extension subcommand for news.
"This APT has Super Newspaper-Fetching Cow Powers."?
(I would insert ASCII art of a cow holding a newspaper, but slashcode wouldn't like it, so y'all gonna have to use your imaginations this time...)
This was one of the big issues I had as part of the build up of me taking over as head of the site. The should have been well under way before I ever was head of operations. Instead, it didn't even get started until I took over, plus the other issues that go. I've got more to write about it, and that will go up with a post soonish.
I'm not hugely happy that SN won, but it was by such a significant margin that it would have been a slap to the community had we gone with anythng else.
If it was the apparent will of the community, then there is nothing more to say. I wish the project all the best an encourage anyone who has the slightest inclination to put themselves forward and help out. Cheers everyone.
Me, I'm glad SN won -- but I'm more glad you guys are going with the community instead of against it. We've got a lot of years to come in us. :)
Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned from leaving things late then. It's possible people simply got too used to the name to process any change.
Considering some of the staff comments in this post, it may have been useful to have heard their reasons before the vote, too.
"Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned from leaving things late then. It's possible people simply got too used to the name to process any change."
Well yes, but I'm sure there were a lot of more immediate issues with which to deal as things were getting started.
"Considering some of the staff comments in this post, it may have been useful to have heard their reasons before the vote, too."
I certainly agree with this. I kind of get the feeling the staff wanted a change for some reason as I never saw any posts from the community complaining about the name. Perhaps if the staff would have simply presented a case for a change the community would have rubber stamped it. Maybe they thought it was better to stay above the fray, but ultimately if the staff is unhappy I see little chance the community will survive.
"I never saw any posts from the community complaining about the name."
There were many actually.
"Perhaps if the staff would have simply presented a case for a change the community would have rubber stamped it."
From the "Name Finalists [soylentnews.org]" article text:
"and two extras due to possible copyright issues with two of the names (soylent and apt-get-news)"
Many people had already mentioned issues with this name, I didn't personally feel it was necessary to reiterate those thoughts. Some hate the name, but many more seem to like it.
There were numerous deficiencies in this. It's a crying shame.
For the record I believe this name choice is a mistake and the process was poorly designed and executed. For this reason I have left the project, and this should serve as a warning because I am not the first to have walked over substandard management in this project. Nonetheless I sincerely wish the project best of luck.
Wait, even NCommander himself agrees that the site name is TERRIBLE? What a travesty. He should have taken the initiative to change it and use something presentable.
There's NO reason he couldn't do it anyway. The "community" voted for a known quantity because of fear. Don't let their stupidity and fear ruin the site you're dedicating so much of your time and money to, NCommander.
SoylentNews is an awful, ridiculous name that damns this site to obscurity.
He didn't say it was "terrible" he just said he "I'm not hugely happy that SN won". It's a matter of opinion really, there are comments damning the name, comments praising it, and pretty much everything in between. That's why we rolled with the majority of the community's choice. I'm not sure what you mean by they voted out of "fear," but not respecting that decision is worse in my mind.
Well, I liked SoylentNews.org and voted for it. So I am relieved it is staying the same.
I do realize that we needed a vote, but it did take much more effort and time that warranted.
Let us not spend too much effort on things that don't need it, and spend more effort where it is needed (e.g. more participants in submissions and commenting).
1711, the call sign of the USS Enterprise. I think the only geekier number is 42.
Ummmmm..... actually. .. nevermind :)
Just like to mention, as a member of staff, this outcome is not one I was hoping for.
I respect the result even though I quite strongly disagree with keeping the name. We can be the GIMP in the 'news for nerds' sphere.
Hopefully you don't disagree enough to ragequit, we would miss you.
Part of me was hoping for a different name, one that's easier to get across to other people in discussion would be nice. The last set of choices weren't too much better though.
In all, I'm not too bothered about it.
I did not visit the other site all those years because its name made sense or was explainable.
This!! I visited the other site all these years because it was worth visiting... and a bit because I could remember the bloody name. I'm glad SN won... another name I can remember, another site I hope to visit for a lot of years. :)
So sad and so true
I would still like to know why you decided to use a 'moderation' system rather than a voting algorithm, like instant-runoff. Might the outcome have been changed...?
Yeah it's not a great name... but tbh, all the others in the final shortlist were worse, so I'm happy for it to stay as it was.
I thought there were some much better names in the longlist that never got down to the short one.
Tough and Badder!
Duff in Batter?
I think the name is good enough, and what's more, it already gained some (small) fame, so one more reason to stay with it.
I still would prefer to call the site DotStar (as in .* regexp, meaning "anything"), but oh well... :)
but you have to type it in a disguised, anonymous kind of way.
too late, as usual..... :(
I'm happy that the site has kept it's name, made no difference really, it could have been called shitonastick as long as the content and comments are decent it matters not the name :)
Me too, the most important thing on a website (in my opinion) is its content and SoylentNews does it well.
Now I don't have to get this "I Soylent!" tattoo removed or modified. Thanks, Soylent!
Did you really get a SN tattoo?
No. But I should have.
I like the name, I like the tagline, I like the inertia. I now get 9.6% of my news from this site.
SoylentNews is a stupid name.
Yes. And that is why it is awesome.
Go get a fork
Fuck the new name!
Didn't need to change it. It's a great name.
I'm disappointed... I was lobbying for changing the name to "pipedot".
I know a handful of other people have said it already, but I feel that it can't be said enough: Thanks for respecting what the community here wants! The fact that the community is no longer respected is one of the major things that's driven me away from that other, similar-looking website with a different color scheme (well, similar looking when they don't load their "beta" version on you, anyway).
Long live soylentnews.org!
How many votes were there? What were the counts for each of the finals?
Er uh...yeah I did that on purpose...
There is this thing called DNS which will allow multiple names to point to the same web server. We are all reasonably intelligent and can handle the fact that a site could have two names. I know the marketeers will be throwing their iPhones across the room at this suggestion but hey, why not break some more moulds
I wanted a name change and I thought there were some very good alternatives offered, is it possible that your method of selection (9 as favourite, rather than 1) could have skewed the result, i.e. people intended to put soylent as a bottom of the list default, ended up giving it top score? Although perhaps not if soylent won by a wide margin.
One final nit pick and sorry if it's been pointed out before but in this case it's cue not queue...
We've considered pointing the other domains that we already control here, but I'm not sure it would do much at this point. And someone did already point out the "cue" mistake, it was mine, I was tired. Sorry. = )