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Every Soylentil should, on occasion, pull back the curtain and see how sausage is made. Being the site this is, all the discussions by the editors are logged on IRC, and often it is very interesting what is said there:
[12:16:20] cmn32480: Could you please take a look at this story? TMB has some strong views we should not run it (see scroolback): https://soylentnews.org
[12:16:21] ^ �03Error�
[12:16:24] afk
[12:19:02] came from aris5tarcfhus..; wee probably shouldn't run it
[12:19:26] Bytram, that a couple white supremacists exist in the US is not news. running a story about it is not dissimenating news, it is furthering the nazi boogeyman myth and painting tens of millions on the alt-right as literal nazis when there are less than a hundred thousand white supremacists of any variety in the US.
[12:20:20] it serves no purpose but that of propaganda
[12:20:42] am puitting in my standing desk... will tak e apeek at it when I get a moment
[12:23:20] and it's not a speech issue. dingleberry is free to post it verbatim in his journal. it does not meet any criteria as a news story though.
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[12:46:01] Beware.... There are CLI programs (if somewhat arcane, can maintain many hundreds of systems) and also in GUI (easy to use, somewhat harder to leverage against hundreds of systems). Some of these have malware. Here's an example of one area where we found some.
[12:46:09] replace CLI/GUI with right/left
[12:46:25] I stand by my decisoion.
[12:46:39] NCommander: ^^ would you please take a look at this and weigh in if you would.
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[12:46:51] I would love to stay and chat but I need to be AT work in about 10 minutes.
[12:46:59] blerg. my local nameserver took a shit.
[12:50:26] fuckin hell. it's my damned internet connection not my nameserver.
[12:53:15] Bytram, that MIGHT be valid if framed that way. leaving dingleberry's commentary makes certain it is framed otherwise.
[12:56:15] Looking
[12:56:55] Ugh
[12:56:59] * NCommander is on the fence
[12:59:11] TheMightyBuzzard, I get where you're coming on the boogeyman argument. The summary as it stands kinda sucks but the actual NYT article has a couple of interesting insights on it about the size and measure of the alt-right and relationship to hate groups.
[12:59:48] Possibly scrap the current summary, make it clear it's an op-ed piece, and that it's by definition opinion with a look inside these groups, and stick a disclaimer on it for good measure.
[13:00:52] the summary as it sits is complete crap and propaganda
[13:02:00] NCommander, have you ever hung with alt-right folks? the only relationship happening there is the extremely small hate groups agree on some issues while the vast majority are happy to denounce them if given half a chance.
[13:03:02] the biggest issue I see is the use of Alt-Right being easily transposed with Nazi
[13:03:10] that is in the NYT piece as well.
[13:03:19] ya, that's by design.
[13:03:53] i think the piece both the NYT Opinion piece and the story sub are hard left leaning propaganda and should get dumped.
[13:04:41] it isn't worth trying to make it an even reasonably even handed rewrite as the source is so far one way that theere is no center
[13:06:56] it's not even really the story that bugs me. the site could and has survive a bad story.
[13:07:51] it's that some of the folks in charge of picking what's worth reading genuinely thought this was. that disturbs me greatly.
[13:08:57] I've set the story for no display pending continued arguement
[13:12:26] emphasizing what cmn32480 said, in the first two paragraphs "extreme right" "alt-right" and "neo-Nazis" are used interchangeably. that is pretty solidly propagandizing.
[13:15:52] Hrm
[13:18:27] FYI: the internal definition of alt-right is something along the lines of "conservative, likely but not necessarily nationalist who sees the Republican party as not representing him/her anymore"
As I said, interesting. I have learned that TMB probably has actually hung out with alt-right types, and the we probably should not be running submissions by aristarchus. Moar Free Speech, Y'all!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:00AM
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[01:30:47] <mrpg> note: undercover in the alt-right: is there a typo? I read "...and its ability out political extremism..." in the summary.
[01:31:16] <mrpg> y'all sleeping because it is 10pm sunday?
[01:32:41] <mrpg> bye!
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[02:22:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, Fnord666: you gotta be shitting me with the aristarchus sub
[02:25:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> how in the fuck did we decide to run a blatant hatchet piece by the NYT, subbed by aristarchus with his own smarmy bullshit thrown in to boot?
[02:30:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're seriously going to let dipshit paint half the country with his nazi brush?
[02:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck's sake. there are less than a hundred thousand white supremacists in the entire country of 350+ million. this is some shit i'd expect slate to run not us.
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[05:24:03] <chromas> hehe, tmb triggered for a change :D
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[10:17:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, yeah. the idea of us running demonizing propaganda and calling it news will do that every time.
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[12:14:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I do not share your view on the story... ISTM a report that someone investigated some nazis and found out that there were some and that they had some propaganda chops. I did not see it advocating anything. As much as I dislike what they say and stand for, they have just as much a right to speak their views as anyone else does. If anything, I see the story as a warning to beware slick-tongued fraudsters selling
[12:14:48] <Bytram> politics-du-snake-oil.
[12:15:07] * Bytram wishes there were many more hours in a day
[12:15:25] * Bytram wishes there were many many many more hours in a day
[12:15:33] <Bytram> off to get ready for work.
[12:16:20] <Bytram> cmn32480: Could you please take a look at this story? TMB has some strong views we should not run it (see scroolback): https://soylentnews.org
[12:16:21] <upstart> ^ �03Error�
[12:16:24] <Bytram> afk
[12:19:02] <cmn32480> came from aris5tarcfhus..; wee probably shouldn't run it
[12:19:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, that a couple white supremacists exist in the US is not news. running a story about it is not dissimenating news, it is furthering the nazi boogeyman myth and painting tens of millions on the alt-right as literal nazis when there are less than a hundred thousand white supremacists of any variety in the US.
[12:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> it serves no purpose but that of propaganda
[12:20:42] <cmn32480> am puitting in my standing desk... will tak e apeek at it when I get a moment
[12:23:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it's not a speech issue. dingleberry is free to post it verbatim in his journal. it does not meet any criteria as a news story though.
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[12:46:01] <Bytram> Beware.... There are CLI programs (if somewhat arcane, can maintain many hundreds of systems) and also in GUI (easy to use, somewhat harder to leverage against hundreds of systems). Some of these have malware. Here's an example of one area where we found some.
[12:46:09] <Bytram> replace CLI/GUI with right/left
[12:46:25] <Bytram> I stand by my decisoion.
[12:46:39] <Bytram> NCommander: ^^ would you please take a look at this and weigh in if you would.
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[12:46:51] <Bytram> I would love to stay and chat but I need to be AT work in about 10 minutes.
[12:46:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. my local nameserver took a shit.
[12:50:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuckin hell. it's my damned internet connection not my nameserver.
[12:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, that MIGHT be valid if framed that way. leaving dingleberry's commentary makes certain it is framed otherwise.
[12:56:15] <NCommander> Looking
[12:56:55] <NCommander> Ugh
[12:56:59] * NCommander is on the fence
[12:59:11] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I get where you're coming on the boogeyman argument. The summary as it stands kinda sucks but the actual NYT article has a couple of interesting insights on it about the size and measure of the alt-right and relationship to hate groups.
[12:59:48] <NCommander> Possibly scrap the current summary, make it clear it's an op-ed piece, and that it's by definition opinion with a look inside these groups, and stick a disclaimer on it for good measure.
[13:00:52] <cmn32480> the summary as it sits is complete crap and propaganda
[13:02:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, have you ever hung with alt-right folks? the only relationship happening there is the extremely small hate groups agree on some issues while the vast majority are happy to denounce them if given half a chance.
[13:03:02] <cmn32480> the biggest issue I see is the use of Alt-Right being easily transposed with Nazi
[13:03:10] <cmn32480> that is in the NYT piece as well.
[13:03:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's by design.
[13:03:53] <cmn32480> i think the piece both the NYT Opinion piece and the story sub are hard left leaning propaganda and should get dumped.
[13:04:41] <cmn32480> it isn't worth trying to make it an even reasonably even handed rewrite as the source is so far one way that theere is no center
[13:06:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not even really the story that bugs me. the site could and has survive a bad story.
[13:07:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's that some of the folks in charge of picking what's worth reading genuinely thought this was. that disturbs me greatly.
[13:08:57] <cmn32480> I've set the story for no display pending continued arguement
[13:12:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> emphasizing what cmn32480 said, in the first two paragraphs "extreme right" "alt-right" and "neo-Nazis" are used interchangeably. that is pretty solidly propagandizing.
[13:15:52] <NCommander> Hrm
[13:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> FYI: the internal definition of alt-right is something along the lines of "conservative, likely but not necessarily nationalist who sees the Republican party as not representing him/her anymore"
[13:24:26] * cmn32480 snorts in laughter
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