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posted by mrpg on Monday April 09 2018, @04:30PM   Printer-friendly
from the people-kill-people dept.

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As tens of millions of Americans come to grips with revelations that data from Facebook may have been used to sway the 2016 presidential election, on the other side of the world, rights groups say hatemongers have taken advantage of the social network to widely disseminate inflammatory, anti-Muslim speech in Myanmar.

The rhetoric is aimed almost exclusively at the disenfranchised Rohingya Muslim minority, a group which has been the target of a sustained campaign of violence and abuse by the Myanmar military, which claims it is targeting terrorists.

Human rights activists inside the country and out tell CNN that posts range from recirculated news articles from pro-government outlets, to misrepresented or faked photos and anti-Rohingya cartoons.

[...] Zuckerberg told Vox hate speech is "a real issue, and we want to make sure that all of the tools that we're bringing to bear on eliminating hate speech, inciting violence, and basically protecting the integrity of civil discussions that we're doing in places like Myanmar, as well as places like the US that do get a disproportionate amount of the attention."

Source: When Facebook becomes 'the beast': Myanmar activists say social media aids genocide


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:59AM (5 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:59AM (#665738) Journal

    I happen to value western civilization. I will defend it, violently when required.

    You aren't defending it now. Religious and ideological freedom is a big part of what western civilization is. That includes not losing your shit just because someone else happens to be Muslim.

    Sure, you can say there is no "rational or objective standard" for my belief that Muhammed was a pedophile for rubbing his penis on a 6-year-old and having sex with her at age 9.

    And I would be right because that doesn't rationalize oppressing Muslims today. Nor do any of your other examples do that.

    Western culture is simply better. I don't need a formal proof of this.

    Then why are you so concerned about an inferior belief system? Just triumph over it.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @06:07AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @06:07AM (#665766)

    Then why are you so concerned about an inferior belief system? Just triumph over it.

    It is inferior in terms of human rights and freedom... but Western culture foolishly tolerates an enemy that is determined to end western culture. This is essentially a matter of the "freedom" to accept being enslaved. We're giving people the right to ruin everything.

    Western culture is better from my perspective. I doubt that it will survive, but I'll do my part toward that goal. My culture is probably doomed, to be replaced by something like that of Somalia or Yemen or Afghanistan.

    Prediction: by the year 2200, the population of the Earth is 99% Muslim and 90% under sharia. At least a dozen billion infidels will have been slaughtered. Modern infrastructure and supply chains will have collapsed, causing many more billions of people to die.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:06PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:06PM (#665865) Journal

      Prediction: by the year 2200, the population of the Earth is 99% Muslim and 90% under sharia.

      Prediction: it won't be, because 99% of the world's population won't be interested. You don't even have movement in this direction, let us note.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @03:07AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @03:07AM (#666312)

        Depending on exactly how you ask the questions, roughly a quarter of the muslims living in western nations want the full deal. They want sharia, dead infidels, bombings, and so on. They want to live like it is the 7th century, except perhaps with modern toys. The other 3/4 will not oppose, due to apathy and fear.

        Put that together with the number of muslims in the world, and it should be obvious that it is wrong to claim that "99% of the world's population won't be interested". Right today, without the projected population changes, well in excess of 5% of the world is wanting the 7th century lifestyle.

        The number of muslims in the world will surpass the number of christians near the year 2050. In the various western nations, muslim minorities have much higher birth rates. Pew research says "the average Muslim woman in Europe is expected to have 2.6 children, a full child more than the average non-Muslim woman (1.6 children)." and of course that is a matter of exponential growth/decay. Under 2 means extinctions, and over 2 means growth.

        Turkey, once an oddly secular nation full of muslims, is moving away from being secular. That was the only notable example of a muslim country that was secular. Yep, we have movement in the direction.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 13 2018, @07:33AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @07:33AM (#666351) Journal

          Depending on exactly how you ask the questions, roughly a quarter of the muslims living in western nations want the full deal.

          Depending on how you ask the questions, you can get a significant fraction of people, not just Muslims, to agree to anything.

          The other 3/4 will not oppose, due to apathy and fear.

          And the poll showed that, right? Or is that your uninformed opinion butting in?

          Put that together with the number of muslims in the world, and it should be obvious that it is wrong to claim that "99% of the world's population won't be interested".

          Or we could just not waste our time with that dead end argument.

          Turkey, once an oddly secular nation full of muslims, is moving away from being secular. That was the only notable example of a muslim country that was secular. Yep, we have movement in the direction.

          It's merely shifting its ideologies from Kemalism [wikipedia.org] to some flavor of Islamic populism. A century ago, it was murdering [wikipedia.org] hundreds of thousands of Armenians, Assyrians, and other minorities who just so happened to be mostly non-Islamic. It's not doing that today. So it is an improvement despite your assertion.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 13 2018, @07:52AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @07:52AM (#666355) Journal

      Prediction: by the year 2200, the population of the Earth is 99% Muslim and 90% under sharia. At least a dozen billion infidels will have been slaughtered. Modern infrastructure and supply chains will have collapsed, causing many more billions of people to die.

      I have a very different prediction [soylentnews.org] over that time frame. My prediction is that by 2100, more than 90% of the world, including the Middle East and the entirety of Africa, will be developed world. That includes a tendency towards democracies and secular governments. The differential fertility of the Middle East and Africa will go away.

      In addition, we'll see a massive decline in the number and intensity of wars - the developed world won't significantly war with itself, at least in that time.

      To back that prediction, I'll note that over the past century everyone from the most democratic country to all but the most repressive tyranny (that would be North Korea) has been improving the lives of its citizens in the same fashion. There is a modest Western-Islamic conflict, but it is being readily won in favor of the West.

      I won't extend my prediction to 2200 because I think way too much will change by then to make demographic predictions useful. In particular, I think it likely that we'll have created abusive ideologies over that time frame that will make our modern hysteria over Islam look extremely misguided. People will believe something. I'd rather it be relatively peaceful and constructive like Islam than destructive and consuming like early 20th Communism or Nazism/Fascism was.