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posted by martyb on Saturday February 16 2019, @08:56AM   Printer-friendly
from the Better-than-a-rat-race dept.

Is a religious group a 'race' or isn't it? Is someone 'racist' if they publicly state their dislike of a religious group? An Australian tribunal has answered this question by ruling that Muslim is not a race, and as such, a person who vilifies them in public, an act which is currently illegal in Australia, would not have broken the law.

In 2016 Sonia Kruger 'called for an end to migration from Islamic countries' saying that she wanted people to feel safe when going out to celebrate Australia day. Sam Ekermawi, a Muslim, filed a complaint to the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal claiming the comments were racial vilification.

The tribunal was unable to conclude Muslims living in Australia "are a 'race' by reason of a common ethnic or ethno-religious origin" and dismissed the application. This is an important milestone in the legal and cultural development of the ocean-bound nation which is still attempting to balance the melting pot of cultures and people who have migrated to the country from all over the world. This ruling may be a key threshold for defining what the word 'race' actually means in the legal and social and cultural context and how laws will be interpreted in the future.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Nuke on Saturday February 16 2019, @09:33AM (19 children)

    by Nuke (3162) on Saturday February 16 2019, @09:33AM (#801986)

    I had a very black African GF who was a Muslim, and at another time a Malay GF ditto. Clearly neither were of the same race as Bin Laden.

    Of course, the snowflakes will say there is no such thing as race, in which case all race laws are void anyway.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @09:48AM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @09:48AM (#801988)

    I've been laughing at the DNA test ads like the one where this one dude says something like "wow, i didn't know i'm 5% jewish".

    And when someone says something not glorifying about religion, the SJWs start calling you racist.

    People don't even know the terminology of discrimination (or anything else for that matter) and are yelling crap all over the place. I just can't do much, but shake my head. So many idiots.

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @10:00AM (14 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @10:00AM (#801989)

      I posted links to a discussion about halal certification in a web forum. The response from the forum was that I was a racist.
      Have the SJW won?

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @10:24AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @10:24AM (#801990)

        SJW's are a lower life form that don't have a personality. Basically... drones.

        • (Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 16 2019, @10:41AM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 16 2019, @10:41AM (#801991) Journal

          But - DAS RACISSSS!!!

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:40AM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:40AM (#802001)

            Runaway is racist, the worst kind of racist: Archie Bunker West Pennsylvania Polack Racist. Nobody's coming back from that kinda racist.

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @12:31PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @12:31PM (#802011)

              Nothing like derogatory racial slurs to drive home the point that the other guy's a racist.

              • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @01:14PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @01:14PM (#802025)

                Not really sure why people view it as a slur. A male pole is a polak, a female one is polka. It's like calling a jew, a jew, and people getting offended. I think it would be more offensive calling someone jewish. Like you're not really a jew, you're just jewish. Like calling someone christianish.

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday February 16 2019, @05:18PM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday February 16 2019, @05:18PM (#802091) Journal

          Then call the FAA

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:38AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:38AM (#802000)

        You are racist. Deal with it.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:53AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:53AM (#802005)

          If a SJW speaks up against racists, doesn't that make them racists themselves?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @02:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @02:57PM (#802047)

            If a SJW refuses to drink the coolaid and just once defends the right, does that make them a racist?

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Sunday February 17 2019, @11:12AM

          by Bot (3902) on Sunday February 17 2019, @11:12AM (#802465) Journal

          What are you, some kind of racistophobe?

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Saturday February 16 2019, @05:46PM (1 child)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 16 2019, @05:46PM (#802107) Journal

        FWIW, I've never been certain what halal meant, except safe for Muslims to eat. I got an idea that Kosher means it doesn't have blood or pork, it's been slaughtered "humanely", and it's been blessed by a rabbi, but I haven't got much of a clue what halal means. From what I can tell there's no central Muslim authority certifying people to bless food, and I don't know what other attributes it's supposed to have.

        ("Humanely" was in quotes, because it really refers to what was considered humane practice in the middle ages. Otherwise they'd insist on something like killing it with nitrogen [i.e. no oxygen, but also no CO2].)

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:11PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:11PM (#802231) Journal

          Islam and Judaism are waaaaaaaay closer together than either one wants to admit :) And closer to one another than either is to Christianity. Ironic, no?

          Halal is more or less "permitted, sanctioned," and "haraam" is "forbidden, set apart, under protection/separation." And yes, the word "harem" shares the same root, and incidentally so does the ancient Jewish practice of "herem." Which is when an entire city of enemies was designated "herem," or set aside/"dedicated to YHWH" and utterly destroyed, no plunder allowed.

          Semitic languages commonly have these triple-consonant bases for words with the varying vowel sounds in the middle giving them meaning. One reason ancient Hebrew is so incredibly hard to read is it's pretty much *just* the consonants with no vowels and no spacing...

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17 2019, @11:41AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17 2019, @11:41AM (#802467)

      How is what i said a flamebait?

      People are saying you are racists, when it has nothing to do with race, people don't even know the terminology. If that isn't stupid, i don't know what is.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by zocalo on Saturday February 16 2019, @12:51PM

    by zocalo (302) on Saturday February 16 2019, @12:51PM (#802018)
    IMHO, it clearly isn't. It's a grouping, certainly, often with a default assignment by virtue of birth circumstances and in close correlation with ethnicity or other factors, but not a race in its own right. The crux for me is that you can *change* your religion (some local laws not withstanding).

    Still, to play devil's advocate, if you're going to accept something you can change like religion as a person's race, rather than some other factor like being - say - of a major demographic within that specific religion, then you logically of have to accept flexibility in some other related things as well. For instance; Rachel Dolezal's claims to be black, Elizabeth Warren's claims to be Native American, or any claims of "cultural appropriation" for that matter. Who's to say that person with the "culturally appropriated" whatever hadn't decided to become a more culturally appropriate race for a while? Maybe they're just "racially fluid".

    Come to think of it, with that line of reasoning, it should actually get some of the more inane arguments around this kind of crap to go away, which maybe isn't such a bad thing. Not that those who tend to get their panties in bunch over such things will let it, of course.
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