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posted by martyb on Saturday February 16 2019, @08:56AM   Printer-friendly
from the Better-than-a-rat-race dept.

Is a religious group a 'race' or isn't it? Is someone 'racist' if they publicly state their dislike of a religious group? An Australian tribunal has answered this question by ruling that Muslim is not a race, and as such, a person who vilifies them in public, an act which is currently illegal in Australia, would not have broken the law.

In 2016 Sonia Kruger 'called for an end to migration from Islamic countries' saying that she wanted people to feel safe when going out to celebrate Australia day. Sam Ekermawi, a Muslim, filed a complaint to the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal claiming the comments were racial vilification.

The tribunal was unable to conclude Muslims living in Australia "are a 'race' by reason of a common ethnic or ethno-religious origin" and dismissed the application. This is an important milestone in the legal and cultural development of the ocean-bound nation which is still attempting to balance the melting pot of cultures and people who have migrated to the country from all over the world. This ruling may be a key threshold for defining what the word 'race' actually means in the legal and social and cultural context and how laws will be interpreted in the future.


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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday February 17 2019, @12:34PM (5 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Sunday February 17 2019, @12:34PM (#802475) Journal
    That's nowhere near sufficient to prove the hypothesis.

    Not only is it entirely possible for the same mutation to occur more than once, there's another possibility you're leaving out entirely - the gene may have been present in Africa at that time and was only lost later.
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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday February 17 2019, @03:09PM (4 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday February 17 2019, @03:09PM (#802510) Homepage Journal

    No, it's not proof. It's simply got the odds overwhelmingly in its favor.

    One mutation, yes. One hundred and fifty million identical mutations, a bit less so. The latter is also a possibility but several orders of magnitude less likely as genes tended to spread as widely as the male carrying them could figure out how to spread them back in the day. Hell, they still do in the US to this day in some subcultures.

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    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday February 17 2019, @11:41PM (3 children)

      by Arik (4543) on Sunday February 17 2019, @11:41PM (#802666) Journal
      That may sound like a lot but how can we even judge that if we can't establish a timeline for it? These genes could have assumed their present form recently - after the Neanderthals died off. They could also be inherited from our most recent common ancestor - that's several hundred thousand years ago, and some of these genes might even predate that. Without ruling out these other explanations, the whole thing strikes me as very suspect. We have a rather tiny sampling of ancient DNA available to work with still and I can understand the desire to stretch it just as far as it will go but maybe it's stretched further than it can support.

      Remember mutations happen all the time, and disappear again. It's the useful ones that are selected for. Neanderthals likely adapted to the cooler darker climate by developing lighter skin for instance - and there aren't a whole lot of different ways to do that. So we'd expect to see similar mutations in those genes, because selection would preserve and spread them preferentially. This is why you can't really trace deep ancestry using the whole genome - only the Y DNA and MTDNA can be presumed to reflect that accurately when many generations of distance are involved. The rest? You get 23andme type nonsense analyzing the rest that way.
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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday February 18 2019, @12:45AM (2 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday February 18 2019, @12:45AM (#802693) Homepage Journal

        And why would none of the mutations show up in humans who never left sub saharan Africa? We're not talking just skin color here and southern Africa is hardly the same climate as the middle bits. It's just far more likely that human males would fuck anything female shaped than that even one coincidental mutation occurred.

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        • (Score: 2) by Arik on Monday February 18 2019, @02:18AM (1 child)

          by Arik (4543) on Monday February 18 2019, @02:18AM (#802722) Journal
          We're at a disagreement there, a fundamental one.

          All I can add is that the disagreement is at the level of a subjective judgement of what we think is most probable. We agree it's not proven.
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