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posted by janrinok on Thursday February 21 2019, @02:42PM   Printer-friendly
from the to-infinity-and-beyond! dept.

President Donald Trump isn't giving up on his vision of creating a new Space Force within the US military, even if it has to start out small.

Speaking at the Brookings Institution Tuesday morning, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein confirmed reports that Trump will sign Space Policy Directive 4. "That will establish the Space Force... within the Department of the Air Force," Goldfein said.

Initially, the White House had sought to create a Space Force as a brand new branch of the military, equal in standing to the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard. But the proposal ran into opposition from both Republicans and Democrats in Congress, which must approve the creation of a new military branch.

With Democrats now in control of the House of Representatives, the White House appears to be pursuing a "plan B" that sets up a sort of miniature Space Force under the Air Force. Notably, the new entity maintains the Space Force name, and the directive that's awaiting the president's signature also keeps the goal of converting it into a full-fledged military branch at some point in the future. 

"I think the fact that we're having a national debate on space is really healthy," Goldfein said. "We're the best in the world in space and our adversaries know it. They've been studying us and they've been investing in ways to take away that capability in crisis or conflict... We as a nation cannot let that happen."


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday February 21 2019, @02:48PM (9 children)

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday February 21 2019, @02:48PM (#804527) Journal

    Debate is reasoned discussion. The side that warns about consolidating power in smaller hands, or recognizes that many of the disparate elements have disparate missions and therefore should actually remain separate entities, has not been heard from at all. Instead we get a welcome to the new TSA of the space science community.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Thursday February 21 2019, @03:06PM (7 children)

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Thursday February 21 2019, @03:06PM (#804534) Journal

    For the moment, the Space Force is simply a reshuffling of funds that are already being spent on military space missions. And some people might get to wear fancy badges and others will call themselves space cadets. I don't know where you see a "space TSA" forming. The space science community is already the bitch of the military:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_National_Reconnaissance_Office_space_telescope_donation_to_NASA [wikipedia.org]

    https://www.americaspace.com/2012/06/06/top-secret-kh-11-spysat-design-revealed-by-nros-twin-telescope-gift-to-nasa/ [americaspace.com]

    NRO is not allowing NASA to release any images of the optics aside from some graphics of unclassified test hardware. And they have told NASA not to talk in any detail about what is supposed to be now unclassified hardware. All of this has resulted in a ham handed approach to informing the public about a unique transfer of cutting edge intelligence hardware to the civilian science sector.

    NASA’s attempt to hold a simple telecon with top level astronomy and astrophysics managers, but limited to only NASA’s hand picked media, was an exercise in frustration, according to Keith Cowing, who heads NASAWatch.com.

    “NASA Public Affairs (PAO ) botched this whole non-rollout rollout and NASA personnel were clueless as to what was going on,” said Cowing.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB509/ [gwu.edu]

    The NRO and NASA reached an agreement in August 1965 limiting the capabilities of NASA's space-based image-forming sensors used to photograph the Earth to the equivalent of 20 meters from low-Earth orbit. It also required the NRO to review all of NASA reconnaissance-related activities as broadly defined in the agreement (Document 24).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-STARRS [wikipedia.org]

    According to Defense Industry Daily significant limitations were put on the PS1 survey to avoid recording sensitive objects. Streak detection software (known as "Magic") was used to censor pixels containing information about satellites in the image. Early versions of this software were immature, leaving a fill factor of 68% of the full field of view (which figure includes gaps between the detectors), but by March 2010 this had improved to 76%, a small reduction from the approximately 80% available. At the end of 2011, the USAF completely eliminated the masking requirement (for all images, past and future). Thus, with the exception of a few non-functioning OTA cells, the entire field of view can be used.

    Space Force will probably just waste some more money (i.e. transfer more $$$ to the Beltway Bandits), but you could easily imagine scenarios in which it could assist space science. For example, the Space Force could be tasked with finding near Earth objects, freeing up responsibility from NASA and using military $$$ to accomplish a shared national/global security and space science goal.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Thexalon on Thursday February 21 2019, @04:11PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday February 21 2019, @04:11PM (#804550)

      And some people might get to wear fancy badges and others will call themselves space cadets.

      This is in sharp contrast to the people who get to wear fancy suits and everyone else calls space cadets, otherwise known as "congress".

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    • (Score: 2) by Deeo Kain on Thursday February 21 2019, @09:31PM (1 child)

      by Deeo Kain (5848) on Thursday February 21 2019, @09:31PM (#804718)

      Space Force will probably just waste some more money

      It'll be remembered as the Space Farce.

    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday February 21 2019, @10:38PM (3 children)

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday February 21 2019, @10:38PM (#804750) Journal

      It's a consolidation of power under one umbrella, taking away independent departments or actors and putting them all under one rigid hierarchy, that is not likely to be any more productive or effective than what existed before (and may in fact be worse) nor save any money. That is what the TSA is.\

      And militarization of space / placing more responsibilities regarding space to the military is, of itself, a bad end. Why don't we just cut the military's budget instead and give it to NASA with the express purpose of funding near earth object research?

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 22 2019, @01:45PM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 22 2019, @01:45PM (#805014) Journal

        taking away independent departments or actors and putting them all under one rigid hierarchy

        It's all executive branch so they never were independent departments.

        And militarization of space / placing more responsibilities regarding space to the military is, of itself, a bad end. Why don't we just cut the military's budget instead and give it to NASA with the express purpose of funding near earth object research?

        Because it's a prisoners' dilemma game. There's significant reward to having a military power advantage in space. None of us would require a military in the first place, if we all played nice with each other.

        • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday February 22 2019, @03:00PM (1 child)

          by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Friday February 22 2019, @03:00PM (#805050) Journal

          They certainly are independent departments across many branches of the armed services and civilian world, and independent departments within the same agency or branch of the services. The executive branch is not "a department." And there were some good reasons why each branch has its own space representation and activities. It shouldn't all be consolidated under the Air Force, nor to a separate branch of the military.

          Under that same logic, writ large, why do we have a Coast Guard? The Navy should be able to take care of every single function the Coasties do. Why do we have a Marine Corps? There's nothing they do that the Army can't take on. Differences in basic mission aside (which also occur with the various administrative entities we have now in space), there's also good organizational reason to keep their missions decentralized.

          And I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be military involvement in space activities, even though it would be nice to keep the strategic advantage we enjoy with treaties trying to keep space warfare from happening. (Even though it easily can now - what the satellite shootdowns prove). What I am arguing is that the military should justify any additional needs for space power based on their existing mission requirements, and that the activities should be kept as decentralized as possible. Not make one big "space force" that does everything and anything spacey. There are critics who agree with that view, and I was a little misleading in saying they haven't voiced their opinions. I'm just not sure they were heard under the rush to power and money.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:22AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:22AM (#805397) Journal

            They certainly are independent departments across many branches of the armed services and civilian world

            I just explained why that unfounded assertion is wrong.

            The executive branch is not "a department."

            It's a rigid hierarchy with the US President at top.

            Under that same logic, writ large, why do we have a Coast Guard? The Navy should be able to take care of every single function the Coasties do.

            Irrelevant. Everybody breaks down organizations into smaller subunits to do selected tasks. Even the most rigid hierarchies will have a division of labor between the flunkies and the elites at top.

            What I am arguing is that the military should justify any additional needs for space power based on their existing mission requirements

            Existing mission requirements necessarily include near future mission requirements.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by meustrus on Thursday February 21 2019, @04:38PM

    by meustrus (4961) on Thursday February 21 2019, @04:38PM (#804563)

    consolidating power in smaller hands

    I see what you did there.

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