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posted by janrinok on Monday September 09 2019, @10:23PM   Printer-friendly
from the old-or-new? dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

Diplomatic sources say radioactive materials discovered in Tehran facility, but not enriched to level needed for weapons

Samples taken by the United Nations nuclear watchdog at a facility in Tehran showed traces of uranium that Iran has yet to explain, two unnamed diplomats told Reuters news agency, although they could not say whether the materials predated the 2015 nuclear deal, or were more recent.

The news comes as Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif called on Cornel Feruta, acting chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency and his inspectors "to observe the principles of professional work, maintain confidentiality of activities, and keep doing its duties impartially".

Tehran has not yet responded to the IAEA's specific request for answers, according to the diplomats interviewed by Reuters, stoking more tensions between Washington and Tehran. Reuters did not identify the nationalities of the two diplomats.

Reuters first reported in April that the IAEA, which is policing the nuclear deal, had inspected the site - a step it had said it takes "only when necessary" - and environmental samples were taken there were sent for analysis.

Those traces were of uranium, the diplomats said - the same element Iran is enriching and one of only two fissile elements that can make the core of a nuclear bomb.

But since Iran has not yet given any to the IAEA it is hard to verify the particles' origin, and it is also not clear whether the traces are remnants of material or activities that predate the landmark 2015 deal or more recent, the diplomats say.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by fustakrakich on Monday September 09 2019, @10:32PM (13 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday September 09 2019, @10:32PM (#891915) Journal

    We have you surrounded [businessinsider.com]. Come out with your hands up!

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Monday September 09 2019, @11:05PM (8 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday September 09 2019, @11:05PM (#891931)

      The US seems to be desperate to get some sort of vaguely believable casus belli with Iran.

      I suppose the other wars you're fighting are all winding down, and any war with Iran should go on for years. Lots of money to be made.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Pav on Monday September 09 2019, @11:30PM

        by Pav (114) on Monday September 09 2019, @11:30PM (#891936)

        And Iran is full of Afghanis who've had to leave Afghanistan for one reason or another, many of which I'm sure have first hand experience of unconventional war. The major dialect in Afghanistan can be understood by Iranians, and vice versa. Much of Iran is mountainous too... it's not the tabletop Iraq is, not to mention Iran has a greater population than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. The allies the US government, Bolton in particular, is courting ie. the MEK has next to no support in Iran - they are viewed as traitors who allied with Saddam to attack Iran during the Iran/Iraq war.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Pav on Monday September 09 2019, @11:38PM

        by Pav (114) on Monday September 09 2019, @11:38PM (#891939)

        BTW, that's not to say the majority of Iranians are pro religious dictatorship... they've just seen what puppet governments of the USA do to their people also. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place... but this isn't new. The only reason the religious dictatorship managed to stay in power in the first place is because it gained legitimacy by defending Iran during the US-initiated Iran/Iraq war.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Monday September 09 2019, @11:40PM (2 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Monday September 09 2019, @11:40PM (#891940)

        Iran has committed the heinous crime of having oil and not just giving it away to oil companies based in the UK and USA. That's also the reason behind the push to overthrow the government of Venezuela yet again. And also related to this simple cause of controlling the fossil fuels is Syria's civil war, which was all about getting oil and gas pipelines from Iraq through Syria and Turkey to Europe. Contrast this to the EU strategy, which has been all about reducing their dependence on fossil fuels entirely so that the Russians can't cause them trouble by cutting off their natural gas supply (which they've done a couple of times).

        And of course there's also the simple fact that Iran isn't US-aligned, and the Cold Warriors who never stopped fighting the USSR see Iran as a salient on the southern front. I can guarantee you that in the event that the Iranian government is destroyed, the people who advocated an attack on Iran will immediately turn their attention to Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan, and from there through to the Caucusus (which also have oil and gas, of course). Along with continuing to push along the western front in Ukraine, of course.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:46AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:46AM (#891960)

          And then Canada?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:14AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:14AM (#892009)

            Alberta is pretty much giving away [www.cbc.ca] their oil and gas, British Columbia is giving away their water, until those change, why bother with an expensive war?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:54AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:54AM (#891999)

        I mean, if having nukes or trying to make them is a reason to invade a country, then the US (and many other countries) should be invaded as well. To make matters even more hypocritical, the US is the only country to actually use them, and they killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in doing so. I guess the entire world should invade the US, based on this reasoning.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 10 2019, @03:13PM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 10 2019, @03:13PM (#892234) Journal

        The US seems to be desperate to get some sort of vaguely believable casus belli with Iran.

        Recently overrunning our embassy and holding our citizens as hostages for 444 days seems like it should be cause enough.

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        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 10 2019, @08:03PM

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday September 10 2019, @08:03PM (#892336)

          Don't worry, that nice Mr. Reagan got them back. (After the election of course, couldn't let the Democrats take credit, after all).

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:03AM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:03AM (#891948) Journal

      "Wishful thinking" that map.

      Reality:

      1. Afghanistan - out of control - talibans are still a reality to be negotiated with [bbc.com]. This after 18 years of US presence in the region.
      2. Turkey - sliding out of control - receives and will use Russian missiles [theguardian.com]. After an US show of tantrum, Turkey is looking to buy Russian fighter jets [foreignpolicy.com]
      3. Pakistan - it's not what one can define as "close collaboration", "warm relationship" or anything indicating "US having control" - the most recent is Pakistan PM meets Trump in bid to mend ties [bbc.com] and India Joyous, Pakistan Mourns Donald Trumps Decision To Cancel Talks With Afghan Taliban [eurasiantimes.com]
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      • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:18AM (2 children)

        by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:18AM (#891976) Journal

        18 years? Someone forgets the U.S. assistance during the Russian occupation. That was presence also even if it was not physical and along cold war lines.

        But to have all the other entities around colored singly, as if the U.S. is perfectly in control of them? Yeah, you're right, reality is much messier than that.

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        • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:19AM (1 child)

          by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:19AM (#891978) Journal

          Oh. 18-ish years for Us messing around with the Taliban. Yeah, dopey me. But we've been meddling in Afghanistan before the Taliban got control...

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:32AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:32AM (#891990) Journal

            Actually, it isn't an exaggeration to say that US created the Talibans [wikipedia.org].

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @11:44PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @11:44PM (#891942)

    Uranium occurs naturally in rocks, and it's not even enriched, see. Plausible deniability says the trace amounts of uranium are totally unintentional.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:18AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:18AM (#891977)

      Did you miss... "discovered in Tehran facility"
      Anybody that thinks they're not building (at least) dirty bombs or selling it to some Islam group is a moron.

      • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:24AM

        by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:24AM (#891981) Journal

        Giving it to "an Islam group" is highly unlikely for various reasons. Not least of which is they wouldn't want to be knocked off by said unnamed group it is given to; they're not that dumb.

        Building bombs? Maybe. Heard a couple of opinions in the news lately that they could be about a year away. And they've already announced they're enriching Uranium to non-weapons grade standards again using new centrifuges. Probably ones that the SCADA software can't be virused as easily.

        Thanks, Trump, for your great negotiating skills so far. It ain't over until it is over, of course. I just hope 'over' doesn't mean a mushroom cloud over the U.S.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:31AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:31AM (#891955)

    Persia is a very ancient civilization, unlike the United States. To me, as an unbiased observer, the whole situations looks alike to immature, greed driven, indecently rich teenager bullying an old poor woman...

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:48AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:48AM (#891961)

      Persia *was* an ancient civilization, before it was overrun with kebabs. Now it is another Muslim infested shithole.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @03:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @03:47AM (#892053)

        Surely there are some left?

      • (Score: 2) by Pav on Wednesday September 11 2019, @01:45AM

        by Pav (114) on Wednesday September 11 2019, @01:45AM (#892488)

        Actually.... Iran is probably more secular than the USA, though of course noone inside or outside of Iran can admit that - admission into the civil service depends on ones "strong religious commitment" for instance. It's probably the same reason England is so secular - after overthrowing their monarchy, and then a reign of terror by religious extremists (in Englands case the puritans) the population become quite leery regarding religion... especially where it intersects with politics. In Englands case the puritans were thrown from power and reinstalled their monarchy. The puritans were suppessed, and in search of their promised land had a hand in founding the colonies that came to be the USA. While Iran seems very religious, and indeed a certain proportion of the population is (especially in the north) the regime has quite successfully discredited the idea of a religious dictatorship. Believe it or not the Shah has become popular again, especially as he is making noises about a secular democracy with him as head of state. Mike Pompeo doesn't need a popular government though... he just needs an unpopular puppet that needs US support enough to provide cheap oil. A big reason why Irans religious dictatorship wasn't overthrown quite quickly was because of the US supported Iraqi invasion - the Iranian religious dictatorship successfully repelled Saddam and his (tacitly supported) chemical weapon attacks. This also gave the mulahs time to install their republican guard militia above the (largely secular) military.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:54AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:54AM (#891964)

      Evil manly U.S. licks up the scared Persian milf? Me gusta.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:29AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:29AM (#891984)

      Poor old woman or witch that claims to be reformed? Pillars of human heads and skin to signify what happens to those who oppose the empire.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:19AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:19AM (#892013)

    I've seen this movie before. The original was bad enough. But, like all the recent Hollywood remakes, this looks worse than the original.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @04:42PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @04:42PM (#892265)

    probably just depleted uranium that travelled over from iraq with the wind.
    it's good some of it, in the form of samples taken, made it back to the good ol' usa. ^_^

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