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posted by n1 on Sunday September 28 2014, @06:27AM   Printer-friendly
from the yet-another-systemd-story dept.

Controversy is nothing new when it comes to systemd. Many people find this new Linux init system to be inherently flawed in most ways, yet it is still gaining traction with major distros like Arch Linux, openSUSE, Fedora, and soon both Ubuntu and Debian GNU/Linux. The adoption of systemd for Debian 8 "Jessie" has been particularly fraught with strife and animosity.

Some have described the systemd adoption process as having been a "coup", while others are vowing to stick with Debian 7 as long as possible before moving to another distro. Others are so upset by what they see as a complete betrayal of the Debian and open source communities that there is serious discussion about forking Debian. Regardless of one's stance toward systemd, it cannot be argued that it has become one of the most divisive and disruptive changes in the long history of the Debian project, threatening to destroy both the project and the community that has built up around it.

 
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  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday September 28 2014, @03:02PM

    by kaszz (4211) on Sunday September 28 2014, @03:02PM (#99222) Journal

    All this uproar and coups make me wonder what forces are really running the show..

    SCO was a Microsoft puppet. Perhaps there are more..

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @03:35PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @03:35PM (#99229)

    Sure but there's no need for tinfoil hattery. The facts are:

    1. We all know Microsoft would love linux to be this singular thing that it could pick a fight with (halloween documents etc).
    2. We all know systemd is not at all unix-like, resembling something an obnoxious phb may shit out at a meeting.
    3. Systemd is aggressively positioning itself as the only option for linux.

    .

    It's the 3rd point that raises our suspicions and ire and it's also why systemd free distros can be guaranteed wide support.

  • (Score: 2) by tonyPick on Sunday September 28 2014, @04:53PM

    by tonyPick (1237) on Sunday September 28 2014, @04:53PM (#99243) Homepage Journal

    I have to say I think that's a bit of a Tin-Foil-Hat stance.

    If you read around the thread you can see I'm far from convinced about systemd (to put it mildly), but I think that it's fairly clear that the developers think they're doing the best they can for the problems they have, and that they *are* taking a lot of uninformed flack which makes them prone to be... undiplomatic at times.

    And there *is* a lot of cool stuff in systemd, and some nice ideas, it's just I think the way it's being made into a system wide dependency is the wrong approach. I'd like a new init, and the systemd folks want, in their own words

    systemd is in the process of becoming a comprehensive, integrated and modular platform providing everything needed to bootstrap and maintain an operating system’s userspace.

    and

    Choosing systemd means redefining more closely what the Linux platform is about.

    Neither of which I'm a fan of.

    Or, if you want to put it more cynically, in the words of Humbert Wolfe:

    You cannot hope to bribe or twist,
    thank God! the British journalist.

    But, seeing what the man will do
    unbribed, there's no occasion to.