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posted by janrinok on Saturday September 11 2021, @07:03AM   Printer-friendly

Today marks the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. These were "a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks [...] against the United States of America on the morning of Tuesday, September 11, 2001."

Of the 2,977 people who died, 2,605 were U.S. citizens and 372 non-U.S. citizens (excluding the 19 perpetrators). More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks, including the United Kingdom (67 deaths), the Dominican Republic (47 deaths), India (41 deaths), Greece (39 deaths), South Korea (28 deaths), Canada (24 deaths), Japan (24 deaths), Colombia (18 deaths), Jamaica (16 deaths), Philippines (16 deaths), Mexico (15 deaths), Trinidad and Tobago (14 deaths), Ecuador (13 deaths), Australia (11 deaths), Germany (11 deaths), Italy (10 deaths), Bangladesh (6 deaths), Ireland (6 deaths), Pakistan (6 deaths), and Poland (6 deaths).

It was a tragedy not only for America, but for the world.

 
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  • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11 2021, @01:26PM (10 children)

    by Opportunist (5545) on Saturday September 11 2021, @01:26PM (#1176984)

    He didn't have to destabilize anything, we were pretty effective at that already.

    The history of the Middle East is one of blunders. Ours, theirs, and most of all one of post-colonialism. If you draw lines arbitrarily in the sand without giving half a shit about where peoples live, you create future conflicts.

    That's not exactly a surprise, is it?

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11 2021, @05:26PM (7 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11 2021, @05:26PM (#1177031) Journal

    He didn't have to destabilize anything,

    To the contrary, he probably did in order to stay in power. The factions of Iraq would need to be balanced against each so that no faction grows organized enough to take out Saddam. Common outcome is that when the strongman goes away, the factions turn on each other.

    • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11 2021, @06:14PM (6 children)

      by Opportunist (5545) on Saturday September 11 2021, @06:14PM (#1177039)

      Well, the solution to Yugoslavia was to have a civil war, then break apart and form a bunch of increasingly successful successor states.

      Then again, they were lucky. They had no oil. And an EU next door that is quite interested in stable neighbors.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11 2021, @07:30PM (5 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11 2021, @07:30PM (#1177061) Journal
        Exactly. They weren't particularly lucky since the civil war lasted a while and there was a bit of genocide in there.
        • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11 2021, @08:28PM (4 children)

          by Opportunist (5545) on Saturday September 11 2021, @08:28PM (#1177082)

          Well, compared to Iraq...

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11 2021, @08:41PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11 2021, @08:41PM (#1177086) Journal
            Not much different is it?
          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11 2021, @11:35PM (2 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11 2021, @11:35PM (#1177124) Journal
            Also note that IS really was created by the destabilization of Syria rather than Iraq. And that happened while Bashar al-Assad was in command.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @01:56AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @01:56AM (#1177148)

              Uh, only because we started bombing them.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 12 2021, @11:05AM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 12 2021, @11:05AM (#1177204) Journal
                The Syrian civil war started in 2011 with the Arab Spring. ISIL's invasion of Iraq started at the end of 2013. Any bombing of ISIL in Syria by the US and allies would have happened after that. So no the timing is wrong for your narrative.
  • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Saturday September 11 2021, @06:18PM

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Saturday September 11 2021, @06:18PM (#1177040)

    If you draw lines arbitrarily in the sand without giving half a shit about where peoples live, you create future conflicts.

    Sadly even when you do give a shit about where people live they will still attack their neighbors for some reason, ranging from religion, resources, imagined slights that happened 100s of years ago, etc.. Just look at India and Pakistan. That border was drawn with full thought to where the different groups lived and the border is still a cluster fuck.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11 2021, @11:33PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11 2021, @11:33PM (#1177123) Journal

    If you draw lines arbitrarily in the sand without giving half a shit about where peoples live, you create future conflicts.

    I agree with Pinky on this one. You can't draw a line that will fix what's wrong with the Middle East or anywhere else where conflicts are neighbor to neighbor rather than well defined regions.