Today marks the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. These were "a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks [...] against the United States of America on the morning of Tuesday, September 11, 2001."
Of the 2,977 people who died, 2,605 were U.S. citizens and 372 non-U.S. citizens (excluding the 19 perpetrators). More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks, including the United Kingdom (67 deaths), the Dominican Republic (47 deaths), India (41 deaths), Greece (39 deaths), South Korea (28 deaths), Canada (24 deaths), Japan (24 deaths), Colombia (18 deaths), Jamaica (16 deaths), Philippines (16 deaths), Mexico (15 deaths), Trinidad and Tobago (14 deaths), Ecuador (13 deaths), Australia (11 deaths), Germany (11 deaths), Italy (10 deaths), Bangladesh (6 deaths), Ireland (6 deaths), Pakistan (6 deaths), and Poland (6 deaths).
It was a tragedy not only for America, but for the world.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 11 2021, @09:15PM (10 children)
For what it's worth, that PNAC site changed pretty dramatically in the months after Bush was elected. First time I landed on the page (someone posted a link in a forum) it spelled out pretty explicitly that the goal was to have every man, woman, and child on earth working to enrich Wall Street. Over several months, the language was sanitized, to be less obvious about enslaving the world for Wall Street profit. Neocons are little better than neonazis.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 11 2021, @11:36PM (9 children)
So, everything was a lie? Except for the Bin Laden part? I'm still waiting for justification for the invasion
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 12 2021, @12:04AM (8 children)
Haven't we had this discussion before? Bin Laden justified a punitive expedition. He did not justify a lifetime of killing brown men and women and children. I'm surprised liberals don't call it a genocide - we were intent on erasing a way of life, and imposing our own way of life on them.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday September 12 2021, @01:12AM (6 children)
You have yet to show how, other than official press release
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 12 2021, @02:05AM (5 children)
I say it was justified. Laden bloodied our noses, he ran off to hide in Afghanistan, brief talks with the Taliban saw them thumb their noses at us, so we should have gone in and kicked ass. Then, as I've said several times already, we should have GTFO. Total length of campaign 18 months, with a target of 10 months.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday September 12 2021, @02:12AM (4 children)
Not true. They demanded evidence before turning him over, as any reasonable person would do. The US refused and invaded.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 12 2021, @02:30AM (3 children)
They didn't demand proof so much as they demanded payment, and that bin Laden would be tried in a "neutral" country - that is a Muslim country.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/09/20/newly-disclosed-documents-shed-more-light-on-early-taliban-offers-pakistan-role/ [foreignpolicyjournal.com]
Note that these negotiations were taking place BEFORE 9/11/01.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday September 12 2021, @02:48AM (2 children)
Heh, your link confirms everything I said about the refusal to provide evidence. The invasion was already planned and authorized. Your Bin Laden was the sales pitch, and you fell for it. You chose to believe the lie.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 12 2021, @06:07AM (1 child)
You're ignoring that bin Laden was the primary source of contention, before and after 9/11?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday September 12 2021, @04:59PM
You never verified the authenticity of any "Bin Laden" communiques. You certainly never allowed any cross examination. You accepted the belligerent's translation at face value. See, because the ones I remember admitted no guilt, only pleasure. Your hearsay is even more feeble (and deadly) than Russiagate.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday September 13 2021, @01:51PM
Attacking a country, because they bombed you first, doesn't mean you are committing genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide [wikipedia.org]
I'm still on the fence with regards to having responded in any direct way. Let alone, starting a war, so we could target an individual for Assassination. Which, is still illegal, right?
Ah, there we go, "targeted killing" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing [wikipedia.org]
So, as long as you declare war, it's open season.
Then there's this bit:
I guess it's "not a problem", until it becomes one. That is one slippery slope.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"