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posted by janrinok on Thursday January 13 2022, @04:32AM   Printer-friendly
from the I-hope-it's-only-the-legs-half dept.

Omicron May Infect Half of Europeans Within Weeks, WHO Says:

More than half of Europe's population could become infected with omicron within weeks at current transmission speeds, a World Health Organization official said.

The fast-spreading variant represents a "west-to-east tsunami sweeping the region," Hans Kluge, WHO regional director for Europe, said in a briefing Tuesday.

He cited the Institute for Metrics and Health Assessment forecast that most Europeans could take it within the next six to eight weeks. The latest Covid surge has resulted in fewer symptomatic cases and lower death rates than in previous waves, fueling optimism that the pandemic may subside.


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  • (Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Thursday January 13 2022, @07:05AM (7 children)

    by ChrisMaple (6964) on Thursday January 13 2022, @07:05AM (#1212351)

    Follow closely. Long COVID has symptoms. Therefor Long COVID is not asymptomatic.

    If you wish to claim that people with Long COVID symptoms did not have symptoms early in the course of the disease, that's different.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by mhajicek on Thursday January 13 2022, @07:21AM (1 child)

    by mhajicek (51) on Thursday January 13 2022, @07:21AM (#1212355)

    I'm choosing to believe that you are making an honest misinterpretation, rather than trolling. When anyone refers to an asymptomatic COVID infection, they mean there were no apparent symptoms during the course of the infection. The long COVID symptoms generally do not appear until after the pathogen has been eliminated from the body, perhaps several months later, and and from what I've read, are caused by lingering damage combined with autoimmune issues.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @10:22PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @10:22PM (#1212536)

      Relabeling CFS into "long COVID" for added fear, is a neat trick to keep the Twitter-readers scared out of their nonexistent minds.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome [wikipedia.org]
      However, the impending economic crash will stop the scheme anyway; real-world dangers such as hunger and cold, tend to wipe either the imagined scares, or the too-gullible-to-live hairless apes.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @07:52AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @07:52AM (#1212362)

    Asymptomatic in this conversation always means asymptomatic acute COVID-19.

    Asymptomatic acute COVID-19 still leads to somewhere in 20-50% Long COVID (aka PASC aka etc) rates, mostly varying by which symptoms and what severities are included.

    "early in the course of the disease" is a value-empty phrase. These are two diseases. Acute COVID-19 is one. PASC is another. They have a common cause. This is similar to how poisoning might both cause short term metabolic dysfunction and long term liver failure. The acute poisoning and the long term organ damage are different diseases.

    If you don't understand that, now you do.

    If you did understand that already, you're trolling, and you can fuck right off.

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 13 2022, @02:57PM (3 children)

      by HiThere (866) on Thursday January 13 2022, @02:57PM (#1212416) Journal

      Even then "asymptomatic" is not actually correct. It just means the acute symptoms weren't bad enough that you sought treatment.

      You're right, though, that the acute symptoms aren't a valid predictor of the long term symptoms. Consider that nail you carelessly kicked while barefoot. Truely a minor problem. As long as your tetanus vaccine is up to date. (Well, these days it's *usually* a minor problem anyway, as there's a lot less tetanus virus living in the soil than there used to be...but not always.)

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @09:57PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @09:57PM (#1212531)

        The C. tetani bacteria is still just as common and dangerous today without vaccination as it ever was. This means that the more minor your injury, the more dangerous it can be because you may neglect to seek care. Everyone knows about nails, but not all will suspect the dirty cut on their hand they got while gardening roses. Another fact that I thought was mindblowing when I first heard it was that the tetanus vaccines do not immunize you against the bacteria. Instead it immunizes you against the neurotoxin it releases because your body handles the bacteria on its own but cannot develop natural immunity to the neurotoxin.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @10:32PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 13 2022, @10:32PM (#1212537)

          The thing with Clostridia is, they are soil bacteria. They evolved to live in the soil, not in living things, and their toxins evolved to turn an occasional animal into fertilizer for that soil.
          You might say their feeding strategy is much nearer to carnivorous plants, than to regular pathogenic bacteria.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridia [wikipedia.org]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 14 2022, @12:41AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 14 2022, @12:41AM (#1212554)

        Hi, I assume you're posting in good faith. Thank you. Please note that you're mistaken because "symptom" means the patient noticed.

        Asymptomatic does not mean "didn't seek treatment", it means "didn't notice any symptoms."

        The "long term symptoms" as you call them, are not symptoms of COVID-19, but of PASC, a different disease.

        See this https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=47132&page=1&cid=1212370#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] which is correct (thanks to that AC, who isn't me)