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posted by n1 on Friday January 02 2015, @05:05AM   Printer-friendly
from the corporate-fear-of-change dept.

Earlier this week we received a leaked presentation covering the results of a Google Fiber survey conducted on behalf of Warner Bros and Sony Pictures Entertainment. The research was conducted in 2012 and aimed to get a baseline of the piracy levels, so changes can be measured after the rollout.

[...] Drawing on an MPAA formula that counts all pirated views as losses the report notes that it may cost Hollywood over a billion dollars per year. That’s a rather impressive increase of 58% compared to current piracy levels. The research also finds a link between piracy and broadband speeds, which is another reason for Hollywood not to like Google’s Internet service.

[...] What’s most striking from the above approach is the way the studios frame Google Fiber as a piracy threat, instead of looking at the opportunities it offers.

 
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 02 2015, @05:30AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 02 2015, @05:30AM (#130930)

    They're probably right. 1 gbps symmetric, no cap? I could torrent as much as any laptop out there could handle, do torrent streaming, use extra privacy layers that would slow things down, seed well, etc.

  • (Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 02 2015, @05:56AM

    by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 02 2015, @05:56AM (#130938)
    Or you could use Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon, provided they're timely in their releases.
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    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday January 02 2015, @07:23AM

      by frojack (1554) on Friday January 02 2015, @07:23AM (#130951) Journal

      Why do they have to be timely?

      Never understood why a movie has to be watched the instant it is released. I'm perfectly happy to watch two or three year old movies for the very first time (on a large screen TV). I've not seen the, so they are all new to me.

      But then I've been to exactly one movie in the last 7 years, so I'm probably not the one to ask.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Tork on Friday January 02 2015, @08:04AM

        by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 02 2015, @08:04AM (#130957)
        Two reasons. First is that you want to watch something when you are *interested* in seeing it, that typically happens during the media push. Second is that people like to discuss online and end up spoiling shit. If you are an American the six+ month wait for Doctor Who back in Tenant's era was awful. Yes, it needs to be timely.
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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 02 2015, @08:54AM

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Friday January 02 2015, @08:54AM (#130965) Homepage
          I think timeliness was even more important during the late nineties and noughties, as CGI tech was moving forward in leaps and bounds. 3-year old movies that relied on snazzy visuals looked a bit cheesy compared to even crappy TV adverts using more advanced tech. I think CGI's pretty much reached its limits now - once they nailed hair and fur, the book closed. The studios aren't even interested in better CGI any more, IMHO, they just want to have bigger scenes. More clones/robots in the battle - snore!
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      • (Score: 2) by metamonkey on Friday January 02 2015, @04:53PM

        by metamonkey (3174) on Friday January 02 2015, @04:53PM (#131036)

        Today you don't have to wait 3 years. Try 3 months. Guardians of the galaxy. Theater: August 1st. Download: November 18th. Disc: December 9th.

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        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday January 02 2015, @09:40PM

          by frojack (1554) on Friday January 02 2015, @09:40PM (#131085) Journal

          True enough, but they are still expensive in three months, (and I'm still a cheap bastard).

          Some I will watch within 6 months, but most I just wait till I have a couple hours to kill and a beer in hand, and put them up on the big TV on a whim for less than three bucks.

          Current-ish movies on Google play
          Guardians 6 bucks. Gravity 7 bucks.

          Older-ish movies on same
          LoTR-TT 3 bucks.

          Lots of times you can BUY and own for life (of Google, not you) for the same money as you can rent and watch once today.

          None of the above arguments for a movie having to be current releases are convincing to me. Unless you are a crowd follower, and your life is so vapid that all you can discuss is the movie you saw last night, I still don't see why a well done story 2 years old is less appealing than one done today.

          Watched 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) over the holidays. It didn't look cheesy as some allege. Didn't even particularly look dated. 40 year old movie FFS.

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    • (Score: 2) by CRCulver on Friday January 02 2015, @10:15AM

      by CRCulver (4390) on Friday January 02 2015, @10:15AM (#130976) Homepage
      But those cost money. And the amount of extra effort required to sign up at an HD torrent tracker is minor compared to the immense cost savings.
      • (Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 02 2015, @09:48PM

        by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 02 2015, @09:48PM (#131089)
        They aren't that expensive. Also you have to wait for your torrent to arrive and you have to have the resources to store and serve it .
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 03 2015, @07:00AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 03 2015, @07:00AM (#131225)

          You don't have to wait for your torrent to arrive with torrent streaming. It downloads the first pieces of a video file first, and plays in a media player capable of streaming from file like VLC. Well-seeded popular torrents (thousands of seeds) are usually the type of show/movie you would find on Netflix and would download fast on 10 mbps. With a gigabit connection, no matter how you choose to torrent the file, it will likely be completely done in under a minute.

          Storage is cheap unless you are SSD only. You can delete the file after you're done. You can reuse the same 10-50 GB to download a batch of content and delete it as you watch it. H.265 is *starting* to cut some file sizes in half and can play on machines that are a few years old.

        • (Score: 2) by CRCulver on Saturday January 03 2015, @09:29AM

          by CRCulver (4390) on Saturday January 03 2015, @09:29AM (#131267) Homepage

          They aren't that expensive.

          Yes, they are. When one watches a lot of films, the costs of watching them legitimately can rise into the hundreds or thousands of dollars. Meanwhile, torrents are free.

          Also you have to wait for your torrent to arrive

          With gigabit, even HD torrents arrive very quickly, within the time that one is, say, preparing some snacks for the film and rearranging chairs. Nowadays this is true even for less popular content like some obscure art films; there's always a couple of seeders around and the download is pratically instantaneous. The days of waiting in agony for torrent content are over.

          ...and you have to have the resources to store and serve it.

          Not everyone wants to save films after they've watched them, but even if they do, storage is cheaper than paying for content. As for serving it, a Raspberry Pi acting as a media center is $30.

          • (Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday January 03 2015, @07:38PM

            by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 03 2015, @07:38PM (#131387)
            I watch a LOT of stuff and am not even breaking $50 a month.
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  • (Score: 2) by CRCulver on Friday January 02 2015, @10:36AM

    by CRCulver (4390) on Friday January 02 2015, @10:36AM (#130978) Homepage
    Indeed, that's how it turned out in my case. I had broadband in Western Europe for a few years, but it was never especially fast. Then I moved to Romania, where much faster broadband was offered (and gigabit was rolled out a year or two ago for the same low price), and I torrent pretty much around the clock. This has allowed me to finally satisfy my curiosity for art films, as I could never afford the $20 or $30 a pop for the DVD/Bluray (plus shipping here) when we are talking hundreds of films.
  • (Score: 2) by metamonkey on Friday January 02 2015, @04:57PM

    by metamonkey (3174) on Friday January 02 2015, @04:57PM (#131038)

    Yup, and that settles it. We need federal legislation to ban internet speeds greater than 10Mb/s. Nothing should be allowed to exist that threatens established corporate profits. Anything else would be un-American.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 02 2015, @10:00PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 02 2015, @10:00PM (#131093)

    The only mainstream use of very fast internet has been sending video. It can be legal, ie Netflix, or piracy. I don't think the general public has a particular use for it, but the phone companies can keep talking people into paying for it...