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posted by janrinok on Wednesday March 12 2014, @11:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the I-was-doing-OK-until-it-mentioned-perl dept.

xyzzyyzzyx writes:

"Avantslash is touting a user hosted perl script that, if paired with any web browser with JavaScript, promises to shave crucial bytes off of the standard Slash-based experience, one of which is our very own SoylentNews. Audiences include those with very limited bandwidth, such as those in developing countries with only 2G mobile access or dialup."

 
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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by grub on Wednesday March 12 2014, @11:45PM

    by grub (3668) <soylentnews@grub.net> on Wednesday March 12 2014, @11:45PM (#15610)

    Just send out a SHA hash of the front page.
    For example "1ad65bfb0225ec69e82d5a632da603b2cd4ac77c" uses of far less data than does all those wordy headlines and summaries you currently use! Anyone who can't figure out how to back the page from the hash should just go back to that other site!

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by stderr on Wednesday March 12 2014, @11:54PM

      by stderr (11) on Wednesday March 12 2014, @11:54PM (#15613) Journal

      Anyone who can't figure out how to back the page from the hash should just go back to that other site!

      Lots of pages share the same SHA hash, so you wouldn't know which one is the right one...

      And that's the ONLY reason we're not just sending the SHA hash already.

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      • (Score: 5, Funny) by jt on Thursday March 13 2014, @02:05AM

        by jt (2890) on Thursday March 13 2014, @02:05AM (#15653)

        It's OK if you can't tell which page is which among those with identical SHA hash over at Slashdot; they'll be dupes anyway.

      • (Score: 1) by NezSez on Thursday March 13 2014, @04:44AM

        by NezSez (961) on Thursday March 13 2014, @04:44AM (#15699) Journal

        #think 50's era comic book
        "Shazam!"; now I'll save the kitty in the tree!

        #think 2014 metro
        "SHACollision!"; now find that story about the new Cosmos series b**aatch!

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by GungnirSniper on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:01AM

    by GungnirSniper (1671) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:01AM (#15617) Journal

    Why not just merge this into the main Slashcode?

    It's a cool project, thank you to the Devs and for GPLing it.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by hankwang on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:17AM

      by hankwang (100) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:17AM (#15628) Homepage

      "Why not just merge this into the main Slashcode?"

      Developer here. Although it's perl, I'm afraid that trying to integrate it with slash is doomed. It won't scale with the kind of load on SN or /. . And frankly, parsing html code with tens of regular expressions is not what you'd do if it runs on the same server as SN. (wouldn't do it anyway if I had to write it from scratch today, but this is how it evolved over 10 years, and it does the job)

      But the UI and lightweight html could serve as inspiration for a mobile engine for SN.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by goodie on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:52AM

        by goodie (1877) on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:52AM (#15650) Journal

        THIS! I think that if this proves as good as it seems (can't wait to try it on my iphone during my commute tomorrow) we should find a way to "integrate" it with the SN codebase. After all what you do (if I understand it well) is reformat the info to fit a mobile device. There's no reason that we can't do that straight from the SN source without having to resort to the technique you guys have to use (which is normal on your side of the fence). Heck, in the future, we could have a simple cookie storing the mobile or desktop version of the site for viewing and redirect/pick a css based on that. I don't know if it just changes the look or involves different data as well for example.

        But I do read SN a lot on my iphone when I wait for appointments, meetings, etc. so it would be great to have this integrated into the SN codebase I think. Plus we may find that there is a lot more demand than we though for something like this if we can track the pages served by this "module"/functionality.

        And dammit I'm out mod points :/. But this is neat guys!

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by hankwang on Thursday March 13 2014, @07:27AM

          by hankwang (100) on Thursday March 13 2014, @07:27AM (#15752) Homepage

          "There's no reason that we can't do that straight from the SN source"

          Apparently, slashcode is rather convoluted. I think Mattie.p stated that it is difficult to implement skinning. I had a look at slashcode and it seems that there are many, many layers between parsing the cgi parameters and generating output. I couldn't figure out the code path from grepping the code. It looks like making a truly mobile layout, not just applying different css, requires changes all over the code base.

          I suspect that slashdot dragging their feet all those years with a mobile version has to do with the difficulty of implementing it. And that was with the original author, CmdrTaco/Rob Malda, on the team.

          • (Score: 1) by goodie on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:58PM

            by goodie (1877) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:58PM (#15833) Journal

            I see... Maybe there is a way for SN to set up something on the side that consumes the data and skins separately from the main code while the mobile version only allows reading articles and comments? I admit that i have never looked at the SN codebase so if is all Perl from the late 90's it may not really have an api that we can call so to speak...

            Hey if we move toward a complete rewrite maybe this could be a good starting point to slowly build the new code up...

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by evilviper on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:17AM

      by evilviper (1760) on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:17AM (#15736) Homepage Journal

      Why not just merge this into the main Slashcode?

      Because it's essentially a proxy... Having the ad-blocking, excess-markup-stripping, and caching proxy (ala Privoxy) on the server-side (instead of somewhere on the user premises) at least partially defeats the very purpose...

      And in that regard, I'd say the RSS feed should be vastly more bandwidth-light for the stories and links. And for the comments, you can always check-mark "Simple Design" and "Low Bandwidth" in your user preferences.

      I don't mind the look, for a mobile web site, but it's a bit feature-bare when it comes to viewing, navigating, and leaving comments.

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  • (Score: 1) by Hell_Rok on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:02AM

    by Hell_Rok (2527) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:02AM (#15619) Homepage

    I imagine you could do something similar with a browser extension.

    You could detect the website the user is trying to go to, check if it has some sort of json/xml/etc api and display the data using local css and javascript.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by stderr on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:15AM

      by stderr (11) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:15AM (#15626) Journal

      Browser extensions and mobile platforms don't always mix very well.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Geotti on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:59AM

        by Geotti (1146) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:59AM (#15642) Journal

        Sometimes, though, they do [saurik.com].

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:25PM (#16025)

      It's only part about look and usability. A browser extension wouldn't address the part about slashing mobile download size. (and would load even slower with the extra processing being done locally)

  • (Score: 2) by stderr on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:12AM

    by stderr (11) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:12AM (#15624) Journal

    janrinok, care to explain why you think it's a problem the script is written in perl?

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    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:08AM

      Just a bit of good-natured ribbing, I expect. This kind of quickly developed, useful mangling of text is exactly where perl truly outshines all other languages.
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    • (Score: 1) by Twike on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:21AM

      by Twike (483) <lure@comiclisting.info> on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:21AM (#15712)

      Maybe janrinok remembers the old joke, executable line noise.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:41AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:41AM (#15775)

      Well, I think others have already answered this. Firstly, the Dept field tends to be lighthearted unless the topic for discussion is grave and deserving of a more serious approach. In this case, I chose the lighthearted feel. Secondly, Having spent everyday since we started slashcott providing support of some description to the guys doing the hard work, I am only too aware of the problems caused by the rats' nest of perl code that is at the heart of this project. Finally, going back and looking at perl after many years away from it - and having discovered Python in the meantime - I am amazed that I ever managed to write anything that was maintainable all those years ago. I know all the retorts about anyone can write bad code in any language, but reading perl does not feel as natural as reading many other languages, despite its obvious power and the large treasure trove that is CPAN. If it is your favourite language, good on you, but don't take offence at my poor attempt at a light-hearted quip.

      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:46AM

        by janrinok (52) on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:46AM (#15777)

        For those that haven't yet worked it out - I am the AC that replied above. Must have been finger trouble on my part to end up as AC!

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      • (Score: 2) by hankwang on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:57PM

        by hankwang (100) on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:57PM (#16009) Homepage

        "don't take offence at my poor attempt at a light-hearted quip."

        No offence taken. I wrote most of the code and I'm in a hate-love relation with perl myself. Python is nice, but much slower to run as CGI.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by everdred on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:12AM

    by everdred (110) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:12AM (#15625) Homepage Journal

    You can play with it here: http://soylitenews.org/ [soylitenews.org]

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:39AM (#15634)

      I actually like your comment layouts better than the SoylentNews version. It lets you see more postings by default instead of having to click the links to view each of them. Pick this format up SoylentNews!!!!!

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by everdred on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:49AM

        by everdred (110) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:49AM (#15638) Homepage Journal
        Cool! But just to be clear, the software isn't "mine." I just bought a domain and set up an instance of Avantslash [avantslash.org] that you're free to use.
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        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:20AM

          by Reziac (2489) on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:20AM (#15669) Homepage

          Nice to have if the need arises, thanks!

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by drgibbon on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:53AM

        by drgibbon (74) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:53AM (#15720) Journal

        It already exists. Just register an account and change your display mode setting [soylentnews.org] to "Nested". But yeah, I think nested would be a better default.

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        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:36PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:36PM (#16091)

          I always use nested too (and browse at -1 for what it's worth).

          • (Score: 1) by Yog-Yogguth on Friday March 14 2014, @08:10AM

            by Yog-Yogguth (1862) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 14 2014, @08:10AM (#16217) Homepage Journal

            Same here, it's the only true way :)

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    • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:48AM

      by Nerdfest (80) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:48AM (#15636)

      Thanks, it's quite nice.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ken_g6 on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:51AM

      by Ken_g6 (3706) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:51AM (#15641)

      Hm, haven't I seen this before? A site that leaves a huge blank space at the side of the screen? Either shows full comments or hides them completely, but doesn't show comment headlines?

      Fsck Soylent Beta!

    • (Score: 1) by zafiro17 on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:21PM

      by zafiro17 (234) on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:21PM (#15813) Homepage

      Many, many thanks! I hope you leave the site up - it's very useful. I happen to like the layout better than I do the original, and I'm hugely grateful for the savings in bandwidth. This is going to be the first page I visit, and I'll go to Soy directly if I need to comment.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:18AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @12:18AM (#15631)

    How about a system where content served from SN can be mirrored from user PCs? A browser plugin or program for which can receive data from SoylentNews and distribute it to other PCs via http in the same way that BT works?

    Granted, some files will be updating every few minutes.. but still, for older stories and cached files it may be be beneficial.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Appalbarry on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:00AM

    by Appalbarry (66) on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:00AM (#15643) Journal

    First, the project web site actually describes it WAY WAY better than the summary:

    Are you a regular reader of slashdot.org or SoylentNews.org? Are you annoyed that as of 2014 Slashdot still does not have a decent [see below] mobile website? Then AvantSlash may be something for you.

    Avantslash is a perl script that should run on a webserver that you control. It will screen-scrape the slashdot.org website and reformat the content for your mobile phone.

    NOW I'm interested. Don't just tell me how it works, tell me what it does!

    Second: is this a Slashvertisement?

    Third: Or is it a Soyvertisement?

    • (Score: 2) by clone141166 on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:23AM

      by clone141166 (59) on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:23AM (#15647)

      I liked that the primary example screenshot of SoylentNews shown was one of McGrew's comments paying out /. users for being "clowns". :)

      Also, isn't there an FDA requirement that Soyvertisements contain nutritional information?

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by bill_mcgonigle on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:31AM

        by bill_mcgonigle (1105) on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:31AM (#15673)

        Also, isn't there an FDA requirement that Soyvertisements contain nutritional information?

        Soyvertisements contain the electrolytes readers crave.

    • (Score: 2) by Foobar Bazbot on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:04AM

      by Foobar Bazbot (37) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:04AM (#15661) Journal

      Or is it a Soyvertisement?

      No,it's a Soyvertiselent.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by hankwang on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:17AM

      by hankwang (100) on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:17AM (#15735) Homepage

      "Second: is this a Slashvertisement?
      Third: Or is it a Soyvertisement?"

      Only if I had submitted the story myself, which I didn't. But my sig is.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:03AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:03AM (#15644)

    This is a teaser, that's what this is. The office at this end is still busy, and can't write proper slash yet (no, not that kind of slash, rather the other kind). However, stuff is cu^Homing very soon!

    Right over there, in front of the Soylent office heart-shaped bed, stand LaminatorX and mattie_p. They're wearing leather loincloths, and nothing else. There is a lot of muscular physique on show. What are they going to do? I'm glad you asked! They'll do all kinds of things, and we'll find out what. But only after there's more time on this end. Stay tuned!

    • (Score: 2) by mattie_p on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:40AM

      by mattie_p (13) on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:40AM (#15649) Journal

      I wish I could pull off the leather loincloth look. Mrs. mattie_p might like it. Then again, she might not.

  • (Score: 1) by http on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:09AM

    by http (1920) on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:09AM (#15665)

    How much bandwidth does it save?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:23AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:23AM (#15670)

      RTFA, much? It's in there.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by TheLink on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:50AM

      by TheLink (332) on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:50AM (#15678) Journal

      AND how much does it really save if you already have compression on the cache (or web server if you don't use a cache)?

      https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/3.0/tutorial/co mpression.html [varnish-cache.org]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_compression [wikipedia.org]

      I believe most mobile browsers support gzip nowadays.

      High text sites like SN compress really well. An intelligent cache would only have to do the compression once whenever the page changes.

    • (Score: 2) by everdred on Thursday March 13 2014, @10:18PM

      by everdred (110) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 13 2014, @10:18PM (#16102) Homepage Journal

      I can actually answer this from experience, having run a public instance of Avantslash for about a day now. The average pageview weighs in at just under 5 KB.

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      • (Score: 1) by hankwang on Friday March 14 2014, @10:37PM

        by hankwang (100) on Friday March 14 2014, @10:37PM (#16667) Homepage

        5 kB is quite low. Is your server doing gzip/deflate compression?

        • (Score: 1) by everdred on Wednesday March 19 2014, @03:29PM

          by everdred (110) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 19 2014, @03:29PM (#18576) Homepage Journal

          gzip is enabled. It seems to compress pages down about 60%, but they're rather small to begin with.

          (Thank you for the software, by the way!)

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Khyber on Thursday March 13 2014, @04:17AM

    by Khyber (54) on Thursday March 13 2014, @04:17AM (#15683) Journal

    http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/b5U5S6/soylentnews .org [pingdom.com]

    See that? The site as-is is under 200kB per page.

    What's the point of shaving off relatively nothing in the first place?

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    • (Score: 1) by VanessaE on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:54AM

      by VanessaE (3396) <vanessa.e.dannenberg@gmail.com> on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:54AM (#15721) Homepage

      Simple. If you only manage to shave off 1kB per page, you're already looking at 5GB/mo less bandwidth for the 5M views/month this site gets now. If Soylent can manage to get to Slashdot-levels of traffic (15M views/mo) and the savings is more substantial, say 25 kB per page, then you're talking about 375 GB/mo in saved bandwidth.

      Consider for a moment how much time it would take to send 375 GB, and what else one could do with that bandwidth if it's just being wasted now.

      Multiply that again by however much traffic all of the other Slashcode-using sites are getting, combined.

      Also consider that not every geek has a particularly fat pipe. A few seconds saved here and there loading pages adds up.

      • (Score: 1) by Titanium on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:38AM

        by Titanium (1840) on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:38AM (#15772)

        (375 gigabytes) / (10 (gigabits per second)) =
        5 minutes

        I fail to see your point, and I did not even multiply by the number of nodes serving up the page.

    • (Score: 2) by gringer on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:02AM

      by gringer (962) on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:02AM (#15728)

      What's the point of shaving off relatively nothing in the first place?

      When I do a copy-paste of the current home page into a text editor, then count characters, I get something near 20kB. In other words, if all you had was text, your download would be a tenth of the size. I wouldn't call a 90% reduction "relatively nothing".

    • (Score: 2) by evilviper on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:21AM

      by evilviper (1760) on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:21AM (#15738) Homepage Journal

      See that? The site as-is is under 200kB per page.

      What's the point of shaving off relatively nothing in the first place?

      It's "nothing" on a high-speed connection. On a dial-up connection, that could take more than 30 seconds to download. Actually, compression and caching would improve that a bit, but still...

      And god help you on a 2G connection, going HALF that speed AT BEST.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by hankwang on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:40AM

      by hankwang (100) on Thursday March 13 2014, @06:40AM (#15742) Homepage

      What's the point you ask? During my daily train commute, I pass through an area with patchy 2G coverage, with just a few kB/s transfer rate. At work (it's on a "high tech campus", well, well) it depends on which side of the building I am in.

      And the layout is more suitable for mobile rendering. Although for SN the layout is manageable on modern mobile devices, you should remember that it was really written for slashdot, with SN support as a new feature.

    • (Score: 1) by egcagrac0 on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:26PM

      by egcagrac0 (2705) on Thursday March 13 2014, @01:26PM (#15843)

      About 2 minutes per page load when the display says "AT&T E" instead of "AT&T 4G", that's the point.

      Also, some of us like to save that quarter second even when it says 4G.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by juggs on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:04AM

    by juggs (63) on Thursday March 13 2014, @05:04AM (#15707) Journal

    Just as a point of discussion, slashcode already has bandwidth saving options baked in.

    **N.B. Before following the below suggestion bookmark this link: http://soylentnews.org/my/homepage [soylentnews.org] you'll need it to get back out of the matrix :)

    Browse on over to your Homepage http://soylentnews.org/my/homepage [soylentnews.org] and check "Simple Design", "Low Bandwidth" and "No Icons". Et voila, a lot less cluttered and (opinion) cleaner look. Although you do lose some functionality as a trade off.

    Maybe that could be used as the basis for a "mobile.soylent" incarnation if the need is there?

  • (Score: 1) by RamiK on Thursday March 13 2014, @08:19AM

    by RamiK (1813) on Thursday March 13 2014, @08:19AM (#15762)

    I actually prefer this layout to the original and it's variations.
    Hopefully it will inspire some work on the original code at least for the mobile side.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by mtrycz on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:07AM

    by mtrycz (60) on Thursday March 13 2014, @09:07AM (#15768)

    This comment page is TWENTY times heavier than the sourced from the digester. Most of it is cached in browser, but still on first access or on expire it will load 100kB of javascript files, that are actually pretty useless.
    Maybe we can shave off from that?

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    • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:46PM

      by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <mcasadevall@soylentnews.org> on Thursday March 13 2014, @03:46PM (#15922) Homepage Journal

      There's some damn low-hanging fruit w.r.t. to Javascript and stuff on the site. For non-admins, I don't think we're actually using JS anywhere in the layout. backSlash goes snicker-snap if you disable JS, but I think we can safely make all those JS files conditional loads on is_admin and NOT break the site.

      It WAS used for firehose, but that feature is so nackered, I don't think its coming back without a rewrite.

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      • (Score: 1) by iWantToKeepAnon on Thursday March 13 2014, @04:14PM

        by iWantToKeepAnon (686) on Thursday March 13 2014, @04:14PM (#15944) Homepage Journal

        How about adding a user-agent dropdown as part of the homepage preferences? Then for my desktop mozilla I can have the full blown experience. For my mobile browser I could pick Simple+Low/B+No Icons. When I visit preferences there could be a "default" for all UAs and a (+) button to add my current UA.

        That should make a friendly "mobile" soylent site with (hopefully) little extra coding.

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  • (Score: 1) by iWantToKeepAnon on Thursday March 13 2014, @07:49PM

    by iWantToKeepAnon (686) on Thursday March 13 2014, @07:49PM (#16064) Homepage Journal

    In plugins/FireHose/templates/list;firehose;default (line 18):
      IF user.noicons || user.simpledesign || user.lowbandwidth || user.pda;

    And plugins/FireHose/templates/dispStory;misc;default (line 79):
      [% IF user.noicons || user.simpledesign || user.lowbandwidth || user.pda %]

    So what is "pda", where is it set (not on the homepage prefs near No Icons, Simple Design, and Low Bandwidth), and was that an attempt at a mobile setting?

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