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posted by janrinok on Monday March 02 2015, @08:15AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-a-different-equality dept.

The Los Angeles Times is running an article describing the challenges faced by Asian Americans as they apply for acceptance to top colleges.

The article describes the impact that their race and ethnicity has on their SAT scores:

Lee's next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth.

She points to the first column. African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column. “Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps. Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

A core tenet of the American philosophy, even from before the days of the Founding Fathers, is that through hard work and excellence one should be able to obtain success in life. But is this ideal even possible when certain underachieving groups are given artificial advantages, while those with the most merit are artificially held back?

 
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  • (Score: 3, Disagree) by Thexalon on Monday March 02 2015, @04:08PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Monday March 02 2015, @04:08PM (#151924)
    Here's the difference between "forward racism" and "reverse racism": The damage.
    • Forward racism: Cops can kill unarmed black people with no justification whatsoever, and much of the public and the legal system say this is just fine and dandy. Black and Hispanic people are routinely denied jobs they are qualified for solely because of their race. Black and Hispanic people are routinely jailed for offenses that white people get a small fine for committing.
    • Reverse racism: White and Asian people don't get to go to the college they wanted to and have to settle for a backup school. White and Asian job applicants at large corporations have to be more qualified than their black and Hispanic counterparts to get the job.

    Another way to gut-check this issue: If you're white or Asian, and you had the option of becoming black or Hispanic, would you take it? And how about the reverse?

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday March 02 2015, @04:20PM

    It was a nice try but you're horribly, horribly wrong. The worst damage from any kind of racism is the spreading of hatred. You discriminate against any demographic and they are going to hate you for it. Social Justice has without question set back racial relations worse than anything since slavery.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday March 02 2015, @05:00PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Monday March 02 2015, @05:00PM (#151951)

      The worst damage from any kind of racism is the spreading of hatred.

      Tell that to a family of somebody who was killed because they were a black. And then told it was "justified", even though there is video demonstrating that is total nonsense. And then having all the political leaders line up in support of the killers. And then having a large number of people donating money to the killer(s).

      The only way your argument makes any kind of sense is if you're saying that resentment over reverse racism is the primary reason that racist attacks on black people happen. But that claim utterly fails to hold any kind of water, because racist murders of black people happened for decades before the concept of "affirmative action" was invented.

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 02 2015, @05:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 02 2015, @05:19PM (#151963)

        I can be against racially motivated police brutality AND affirmative action--both spread hatred and resentment.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday March 02 2015, @05:57PM

        ^^ What the AC said. I still stand by my statement. Spreading hatred is worse than killing; it is the root cause of all related killings and ensures that they and all other hate-based activities will never end.

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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday March 02 2015, @07:36PM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday March 02 2015, @07:36PM (#152050) Homepage
          When trying to get to root causes, I believe that ignorance leads to fear, and fear leads to hatred. Buddhist friends tell me this is far from an original concept.
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          • (Score: 2) by nukkel on Monday March 02 2015, @08:38PM

            by nukkel (168) on Monday March 02 2015, @08:38PM (#152099)

            Buddhist friends tell me this is far from an original concept.

            That's right; I remember Yoda already said that way back

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2015, @01:39AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2015, @01:39AM (#152263)

        Tell that to a family of somebody who was killed because they were a black. And then told it was "justified", even though there is video demonstrating that is total nonsense. And then having all the political leaders line up in support of the killers. And then having a large number of people donating money to the killer(s).

        Eh, OK, as soon as such a person exists.