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posted by janrinok on Thursday March 26 2015, @06:06AM   Printer-friendly
from the first-they-came-for-your-smokes dept.

Source The Guardian

The World Cancer Research Fund (WCRF) has pinpointed the level of drinking implicated in liver cancer after undertaking what it says was the biggest review so far of the evidence on the relationship between diet, weight, physical activity and the disease.

Its assessment of 34 previous studies covering 8.2 million people, more than 24,500 of whom had liver cancer, revealed “strong evidence” linking intake of three drinks a day to the disease.

“Around three or more drinks per day can be enough to cause liver cancer,” said Amanda Mclean, director of the charity’s UK branch. “Until now we were uncertain about the amount of alcohol likely to lead to liver cancer. But the research reviewed in this report is strong enough, for the first time, to be more specific about this.”

The WCRF’s findings prompted the Alcohol Health Alliance, a coalition of health organisations, to claim that alcohol is so toxic that cans and bottles should carry health warnings.

“Alcohol, like tobacco and asbestos, is a class 1 carcinogen and it is totally unacceptable that the public is not provided with such basic information”, said Prof Sir Ian Gilmore, the alliance’s chair.

On the flip side...

The WCRF’s analysis also found strong evidence that coffee could help protect against liver cancer, though it did not specify the amounts someone needs to drink.

 
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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @06:34AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @06:34AM (#162621)

    This isn't about health; this is about coping!

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:07AM

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:07AM (#162665) Homepage
      Fuck health - I'm a ticker!

      http://www.ratebeer.com/user/51287/ : "9899 beer ratings · 337 place ratings" (And I have a backlog of a couple of hundred beers to type in from several different trips abroad, so I'm well over 10000)

      That requires a *lot* of drinking and going to pubs and beer festivals. I have such a horrible hobby ;-)
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @01:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @01:39PM (#162711)

        You're doing god's work, son!

      • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Thursday March 26 2015, @04:38PM

        by Hairyfeet (75) <bassbeast1968NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday March 26 2015, @04:38PM (#162795) Journal

        Meh you are gonna die of something, might as well be something you enjoy, right ;-)

        I just got lucky somebody came up with vaping so I can indulge my little habit without fogging out the wife, downside is she keeps buying me these funky fruity flavors so she can use me as an air freshener :-(

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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday March 27 2015, @10:21AM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Friday March 27 2015, @10:21AM (#163152) Homepage
          Absolutely. The plan is for the heart, kidney, liver, and brain to all go within a month of each other. I'd hate to die with any working organs, that would mean I didn't abuse them enough. (Not a smoker, so the lungs will probably survive.)
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          • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday March 27 2015, @03:51PM

            by Hairyfeet (75) <bassbeast1968NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday March 27 2015, @03:51PM (#163212) Journal

            Try vaping, its pleasurable as hell, cheap, and reading as many articles as I can it might even...gasp!...be good for you as it helps keep crap from building in your lungs as its the same stuff used in asthma inhalers. Right now I'm vaping RY4, a delicious mix of tobacco, vanilla, and caramel, and lately I've been trying to use those funky fruity flavors the missus gives me instead of having desserts and so far has lost nearly 10 pounds.

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    • (Score: 2) by davester666 on Thursday March 26 2015, @05:39PM

      by davester666 (155) on Thursday March 26 2015, @05:39PM (#162857)

      Good thing I never stop at 3!

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by hemocyanin on Thursday March 26 2015, @06:39AM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Thursday March 26 2015, @06:39AM (#162623) Journal

    not much else to say really.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @07:56AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @07:56AM (#162643)

    3 drinks a day seems quite excessive, so I think I'm good.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @10:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @10:33AM (#162658)

      My partner insists on drinking three drinks a day. That's not much, she claims, although it's 3x 440ml cans, so it is in effect four standard drinks a day.

      She'll just deny this, tell me the researchers are wrong because if it's right how come we're allowed to buy alcohol, and on top of that, her mother will disagree so that's clearly the researchers at fault, not the 75 year old woman who works as a cleaner

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:23AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:23AM (#162667)

        Make the most of it while you can

      • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Thursday March 26 2015, @04:22PM

        by hemocyanin (186) on Thursday March 26 2015, @04:22PM (#162785) Journal

        Genetics probably plays a role and if her mother drank that much and is still alive and working at 75, don't worry about it.

        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:48PM

          by HiThere (866) on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:48PM (#163017) Journal

          I'm sure genetics plays a part in this, but most traits aren't determined by single genes, and even if it were there'd be only a 50% chance that she was also in the "no worries" crowd. Most characteristics are determined by a fairly large ensemble of genes, and it's usually difficult to guess the chance of inheriting any particular characteristic. Eye and hair color are clear exceptions, and simple blood type is an exception (actual blood type is a lot more than just A, B, O, +/-), as you'll find out if you ever need an organ transplant (except cornea, or a couple of other safe tissues).

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 27 2015, @03:18AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 27 2015, @03:18AM (#163088)

        if it's right how come we're allowed to buy alcohol

        Because substance legality has nothing to do with safety or toxicity. Tylenol is more toxic than MDMA and heroin, and alcohol is far more toxic than marijuana and cocaine.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by GungnirSniper on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:03PM

      by GungnirSniper (1671) on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:03PM (#162679) Journal

      Three drinks? That's just breakfast.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Pr. L Muishkin on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:14PM

      by Pr. L Muishkin (5143) on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:14PM (#162686)

      3 drinks a day seems quite excessive, so I think I'm good.

      I'm Scottish you insensitive clod! *hic*

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by dltaylor on Thursday March 26 2015, @08:12AM

    by dltaylor (4693) on Thursday March 26 2015, @08:12AM (#162645)

    Keeping a girl down to one a day average, is pretty easy: three on party night, and one sometime in the rest of week.

    If it's a glass of wine every night, then party night is still just the one glass.

    Technically, I suppose, 10 drinks per week is one drink per day, average, but the article is VERY light on that sort of detail.

    Same for me: 8 when I'm not riding my motorcycle, but partying (at 115 Kg, there's a lot of mass to absorb the alcohol), and one, or two, somewhen else during the week, 'specially if I'm riding or driving, is very different from a steady 150 ml of whisk(e)y every night.

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:59PM

      by HiThere (866) on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:59PM (#163022) Journal

      Yes-no. You also need to consider that organs don't scale linearly in size with the body. The livers and kidneys of larger people need to work harder per cc of organ than those of smaller people, so even though the alcohol would be more dilute in a larger body, that doesn't mean it's the same as the same dilution of alcohol in a smaller body.

      Figuring out how this effect scales would probably need to be experimentally determined, and from the summary it's pretty clear that they aren't claiming a precise amount. Merely a detected effect at a relatively low level. However since they present their estimate in the form drinks/day it's fairly certain that they're talking about an effect that was detected with few or no totally sober days. And since they're talking about people it's probably the case that they are operating on self-reported drinking, and that therefor the amounts are underestimates.

      P.S.: I wrote the above after only reading the summary. I'm not a biologist. etc., but after scanning the article it seems pretty clear that this is a meta-analysis of data collected using a variety of protocols. That doesn't make it wrong, but it means that it's not really subject to validation without a separate study...and people don't like to do expensive confirmatory studies because the funding people don't want to pay for it and the scientists involved don't get much credit.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by kaszz on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:53AM

    by kaszz (4211) on Thursday March 26 2015, @11:53AM (#162674) Journal

    What I'm missing from the articles on the research is how many times more risk say an double dose increase of alcohol will increase the risk for liver cancer. Increasing the risk from 1/1000 to say 1/2000 would be "double risk!" but when you look at the numbers it's something completely different.

    WCRF also has a strong finding about liver cancer connection with the fungi that produces Aflatoxin poison which is more prevalent in warmer, developing regions with inadequate storage. This can affect cereals, spices, peanuts, pistachios, Brazil nuts, chillies, black pepper, dried fruit, figs etc. A value of 4 µg/kg is suitable but when the harvest had higher content of Aflatoxin the limit were increased to 10 µg/kg and so on by the FAO in their Codex Alimentarius. So watch out! FAO is run by the interests of producers and traders. Not the impact of liver cancer.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by zafiro17 on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:06PM

    by zafiro17 (234) on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:06PM (#162682) Homepage

    I'm currently only drinking about one per day. Dammit then, I ought to schedule in an additional glass and a half, now that we know what the threshold is!

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by CarlU on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:54PM

    by CarlU (5076) on Thursday March 26 2015, @12:54PM (#162699)

    My hope is that since people tend to under-report their alcohol consumption to health professionals this type of study may be underestimating the threshold for significant risk. (crosses fingers).

    • (Score: 1) by wisnoskij on Thursday March 26 2015, @02:44PM

      by wisnoskij (5149) <jonathonwisnoskiNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday March 26 2015, @02:44PM (#162741)

      It does seem a little low. You are pretty far from a drunk if you have a beer with lunch, a glass of wine with diner, and a brandy in the afternoon. Millions of people have drunken a hell of a lot more than that. But then it will all add up with whatever else you do to your liver.

  • (Score: 1) by Buck Feta on Thursday March 26 2015, @02:18PM

    by Buck Feta (958) on Thursday March 26 2015, @02:18PM (#162725) Journal

    Allow me to be the 3,457,421st to say "No shit".

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    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday March 26 2015, @06:55PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday March 26 2015, @06:55PM (#162901)

      Considering that consuming like 75% of edible substances on Earth in sufficient quantities can give you some kind of cancer or disease...

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  • (Score: 1) by wisnoskij on Thursday March 26 2015, @02:36PM

    by wisnoskij (5149) <jonathonwisnoskiNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday March 26 2015, @02:36PM (#162737)

    Ask drunks how many drinks they have had per day for last bunch of years. Use result as proof in "scientific" study.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @03:25PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2015, @03:25PM (#162754)

    At the general incidence rate of ~300/100k (0.3%), I think I'll ignore the breathless warnings about nothing and focus on enjoying life.