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posted by cmn32480 on Monday August 24 2015, @02:41AM   Printer-friendly
from the white-males-have-enough-awards dept.

So, last night the SJW types over at the Hugo awards decided they'd rather burn the whole thing to the ground than give out an award based on what the readers like instead of social justice reasons:

The members of the World Science Fiction Society rejected the slate of finalists in five categories, giving No Award in Best Novella, Short Story, Related Work, Editor Short Form, and Editor Long Form. This equals the total number of times that WSFS members have presented No Award in the entire history of the Hugo Awards, most recently in 1977.

Here are a few of the people on the #SadPuppies slate that should be quite surprised to learn that they were denied a chance at an award for being white males when they wake up this morning: Rajnar Vajra, Larry Correia, Annie Bellet, Kary English, Toni Weisskopf, Ann Sowards, Megan Gray, Sheila Gilbert, Jennifer Brozek, Cedar Sanderson, and Amanda Green.

takyon: Here are in-depth explanations of the Hugo Awards controversy.

Previously: "Rightwing lobby has 'broken' Hugo awards" Says George R.R. Martin (240 comments)


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by hemocyanin on Monday August 24 2015, @03:38AM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Monday August 24 2015, @03:38AM (#226815) Journal

    I haven't paid a ton of attention to this, but my basic understanding is that a group favoring shoot-em up space westerns is pissed because that genre has been done, and done again, and people are interested in something else.

    I thought one thing to do to understand their beef, would be to get some female written sci-fi, and so at some point earlier this year I looked up a list of female sci-fi authors, found one in audiobook format with a reader I liked, and you know what? It was a total shoot 'em up and way more sexy than any sci-fi I'd read before either. Some neat little bio/compsci-fi hooks too. I really enjoyed it. Maybe it would have made Sad Puppies' list, but the following review would tend to suggest to me otherwise:

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/nov/01/featuresreviews.guardianreview22 [theguardian.com]

    Lock up your men
    Justina Robson revels in Tricia Sullivan's Maul, the story of a plague-ridden future where women rule the world

    ***

    Maul deals with plagues: biological plagues, political ideology, sex and shopping. ...

    ***

    Later Sullivan reveals that this world, the book's "reality", is a virtual simulation being run inside a human being from some alternative reality. The unfortunate man - the ultra-Y-chromosome, almost-autistic Meniscus - is actually a farm for the development of biological weapons. The Mall is his retreat: an inner TV that absorbs him so deeply he becomes impervious to his own suffering. It's literally soap opera as anaesthetic. Only later, when the terrorbugs in Meniscus integrate with the Mall system, does he realise that what happens to the girls in the Mall will determine whether or not he dies or lives to bring a new kind of future to humanity.

    ***

    Meniscus is fortunate in one respect: not being dead. Most male humans have been wiped out by a chromosome-specific virus, a Y-plague, and the world is run by women. Perfect territory for some post-feminist criticism? You bet it is. While Sun and Suk Hee try to survive a lethal dispute over an eyeshadow, Dr Madeline Baldino, the scientist in charge of Meniscus, is plotting to get herself pregnant by a real man. She already has a clone daughter called Bonus - another name that speaks volumes about the relationship - but it's real children that count in this future, and for them you need money, or power, or both.

    The women who run this world are most definitely not the utopian feministas of earlier decades of SF. They have a very present-day administrative verve, and pursue the ancient female preoccupations of shopping and chocolate as they struggle with careers and children. The surviving men, meanwhile, have assented to be locked up safely in castles from where they are periodically paraded for sales purposes, like a neverending series of Fame Academy .

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 24 2015, @04:00AM

    Maybe it would have made Sad Puppies' list, but the following review would tend to suggest to me otherwise

    Check their list. It had more diversity than any Hugos lineup in history.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @04:31AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @04:31AM (#226844)

      > Check their list. It had more diversity than any Hugos lineup in history.

      And yet it lost harder than any other list of politically motivated nominations in the history of the award.
      How can that be?
      You hit all the checkboxes on the SJW approval list and you lost big.
      Obviously that's proof that diversity is more important than story telling.

      Hey Mighty Butthurt, come and join our Hugo Truthers group, we will expose the vote for what it was - an inside job!

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Jiro on Monday August 24 2015, @05:25AM

        by Jiro (3176) on Monday August 24 2015, @05:25AM (#226875)

        How can that be?
        You hit all the checkboxes on the SJW approval list and you lost big.

        Because while SJW claims to be about all women and minorities, women and minorities who write the wrong things or are in the wrong crowd don't count as real or these purposes. The Sad Puppies list matches what SJWs claim to approve of, but not what they actually approve of.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @05:33AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @05:33AM (#226881)

          > The Sad Puppies list matches what SJWs claim to approve of,

          Err, nope. The puppies list matches what the puppies imagine SJWs approve of. You guys have a really big problem dealing with reality outside your bubble, its so thick that looking through it really distorts your perceptions. Either that, or you just love you some strawmen.

    • (Score: 1) by mvdwege on Monday August 24 2015, @05:58AM

      by mvdwege (3388) on Monday August 24 2015, @05:58AM (#226886)

      Yes, it had a few tokens, and 6 nominations for John C. Wright, white male Catholic hate-spewer. Really, if that is what you call diversity, you're an idiot.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by K_benzoate on Monday August 24 2015, @07:35AM

        by K_benzoate (5036) on Monday August 24 2015, @07:35AM (#226909)

        white male Catholic hate-spewer

        I don't see why that should matter. I don't care if someone is an unreconstructed Nazi, if they write good work I'll read it. OSC is a homophobic bigot but it never bleeds into his work, which I rather enjoy. I don't have to hate someone's work just because I find their political identity abhorrent.

        But I'm a left-wing anti-feminist, so I'm used to being hated by everyone. Maybe I'm just projecting my own hopeful tolerance into the world in hopes it'll come back to me as fair treatment.

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        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @07:48AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @07:48AM (#226911)

          I feel like you completely sidestepped wedge's point just so you could humblebrag.

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday August 24 2015, @08:02AM

          by aristarchus (2645) on Monday August 24 2015, @08:02AM (#226915) Journal

          OSC is a homophobic bigot but it never bleeds into his work, which I rather enjoy.

          Um, if I might, perhaps, you could read a bit more closely? Even "Ender's Game" is full of teenage Mormon homophobia. You just have to read. Why, oh why, is reading comprehension such an issue here on SoylentNews, where words are made of people? Some of those people are bigots, racists, and homophobes. You really need to learn to read them. And Donald Trump.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @08:47AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2015, @08:47AM (#226929)

            The enemy is literally called "buggers!"

            Scott also makes the muslim boy kiss Ender on the cheek, and then be embarrassed by it. Twofer!

            But it comes across as homophobic in the same way as the movie 300 - unintentionally super gay. The boys are always naked, sometimes even sleeping (naked) in the same bed together. Given that Card is kind of virulent in his real-life homophobia, I'm thinking the guy is pulling a republican-senator - trying to deal with a conflict between his internal feelings and the norms of his religious community.

        • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday August 24 2015, @10:31AM

          by TheRaven (270) on Monday August 24 2015, @10:31AM (#226969) Journal

          OSC is a homophobic bigot but it never bleeds into his work

          The Homecoming Saga has a main character who is gay and whose character arc basically involves being 'cured' of homosexuality and finding fulfilment being married to a woman. That wouldn't be my main criticism of him though: I've read most of his work and he constantly repeats the same stories from The Book of Mormon, in slightly different settings and they get quite tedious after a while.

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 24 2015, @10:38AM

        Numbers don't lie, my cowardly friend. Deal with it.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 1) by mvdwege on Monday August 24 2015, @11:26AM

          by mvdwege (3388) on Monday August 24 2015, @11:26AM (#226980)
          Indeed, the numbers don't lie: the puppy slate was the least diverse slate in years. Why are you lying?
        • (Score: 1) by mvdwege on Monday August 24 2015, @03:10PM

          by mvdwege (3388) on Monday August 24 2015, @03:10PM (#227047)

          The first 5 prose categories (Best Novel, Best Novella, Best Novelette, Best Short Story and Best Related Work) turn up the following numbers for 2014: 8.5% non-White Male (and that's counting Larry Correia as non-White!), 28.6% White Female, 57.1% White Male and 5.7 % non-White female. In 2015, with most of these categories dominated by the Puppies: non-White male: 11.5%, White Female: 11.5%, White Male: 76.9%

          So fuck off. The puppies started with Brad Torgersen's whine that previous awards were 'affirmative action', and proceeded to prove their hatred for diversity by putting overwhelmingly white males on the ballot, with a few tokens as human shields. As you say, the numbers don't lie: you do.

          And all this could have been overlooked, if they hadn't:

          1. Engaged in ballot-stuffing in the nominations.
          2. Stuffed the ballot with awfully bad work.
  • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Monday August 24 2015, @05:36PM

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Monday August 24 2015, @05:36PM (#227133) Homepage Journal

    ...way more sexy than any sci-fi I'd read before either.

    After seeing so many women reading James Patterson, I read one of his books to see what it was all about, and wasn't very impressed with the writing, but I did figure out why he's so popular.

    Women like pornographic murder mysteries, and don't really care if they're well-written or not.

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    Free Martian whores! [mcgrewbooks.com]
    • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Monday August 24 2015, @06:41PM

      by hemocyanin (186) on Monday August 24 2015, @06:41PM (#227173) Journal

      The book I referenced above was definitely pornographic -- in the opening scene one of the main female characters is using a gun as a dildo. Honestly, it was the most sexually explicit book I've read or listened to.