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posted by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @07:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the now-with-longer-half-lifes dept.

Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.

First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.

Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.

I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
  • Mod points won't roll back after a post
  • Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.

I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by naubol on Tuesday April 01 2014, @07:29AM

    by naubol (1918) on Tuesday April 01 2014, @07:29AM (#23945)

    Uhh, so how about this, post distance is calculated as minimum number of moves from current post to another post, moves being going up to a parent or going down through to a child.

    Then, you say, you may not moderate any post that is within 5 moves of a post you made. Top level posts are considered not connected to each other.

    Starting Score:    1  point
    Moderation   +2  
       Interesting=2, Total=2
    Extra 'Interesting' Modifier   0  
    Karma-Bonus Modifier   +1  

    Total Score:   4  
  • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:00AM

    by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <> on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:00AM (#23956) Homepage Journal

    If I need flowcharts to explain why you can and can't moderate system, I think it fails the simplicity test. Moderation is supposed to be quick, easy, and painless, not requiring brain surgery, and a deluge of posts that "I can't moderate X"

    Still always moving
    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by FatPhil on Tuesday April 01 2014, @11:36AM

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday April 01 2014, @11:36AM (#24033) Homepage
      Simplicity good. How about:
      a) You can moderate a thread you've not posted to
      b) You can post to a thread you've moderated, the moderations will not be revoked
      c) You cannot moderate anything in a story after you've posted.

      This encourages moderation as you have to hand them out early before you dive into the discussion.
      Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
  • (Score: 1) by crutchy on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:16AM

    by crutchy (179) on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:16AM (#23995) Homepage Journal

    /me drives tractor over posts

  • (Score: 1) by Balderdash on Tuesday April 01 2014, @06:26PM

    by Balderdash (693) on Tuesday April 01 2014, @06:26PM (#24390)

    Seven Degrees of Soylent Bacon?

    I browse at -1. Free and open discourse requires consideration and review of all attempts at participation.