I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments
Unless they've changed it from 2009, the systems are identical. The only reason we show numeric values as we don't set the hide karma flag in the database. As defined by Slashcode, these are the values:
-10=Terrible-1=Bad0=Neutral12=Positive25=Good99999=Excellent (I suspect this is a placeholder for when capped, but I need to check)
Every moderation is worth 0.5 karma, and submissions are worth 3. Different moderations can give/take away different amounts of karma; this is defined as a database in the database. Incidently, its also possible to make some types of moderations cost multiple mod points to do (i.e., marking someone troll might cost two modpoints instead of one).
Please don't stop giving a numerical karma score. It's nice to have a clear number rather than a named category that could mean almost anything. One of the things I really like here is that details aren't hidden just to look good.
On my (very long and growing) TODO list is to have a Transparency mod. Slash collects an absurd amount of information. Its on the list to try and decouple Stats.pm from the admin interface and allow anyone to look through our raw numbers, as well as having a user specific page where they can see various information about themselves, or if they've been banned/etc.
On the other site, you could be marked "-1 posting" or such and you'll never know it short by checking each of your posts. Staff on the other site for instance are marked +5, so their posts *always* show up no matter what. We leave it as the default for staff, though when we re-add the subscriber module, all staff will get subscriptions, so they'll get the +1 subscriber bonus right out of the gate.
Sounds fantastic, it's great that we'll be getting more information about what's going on rather than having it dumbed down like on many other sites.
Firstoff, a small bug that seems new since 30 Mar, when last I was here (I was on the road, it's not my fault! :)
I click Reply (actually RClick & Open in new tab) and instead of being at the same font size as the page I came from, it's two sizes smaller.
I noticed immediately cuz I need the font set at 120%, and here it was back to default. SeaMonkey sets font on a per-site basis, so it's not a per-page-SM issue, far as I can tell. It had worked normally here until today (or some day since last Sat. anyway).======
In "stuff we can see", I like being able to see all the mods done to any of my comments.
I'm not sure what I think of karma aging... I think another reply has the right of it, that it's liable to encourage a certain type of karma-troll rather than make the rest of us 'work harder'. Good posters post because they have something to say; for good posters, karma is merely a nice byproduct, not the goal.
Can you file this as a bug with screenshots on our github repo? https://github.com/SoylentNews/slashcode [github.com]
I don't know enough abotu CSS to describe the problem in technical terms :-/
I don't see where the bug report thing is...??
Yep, appears it is indeed in the CSS, as I do NOT get the issue when I turn CSS off. (Which I can do with PrefBar.)
https://github.com/SoylentNews/slashcode/issues?mi lestone=2&state=open [github.com] - direct link :-)
I don't see it on the list yet, but it should be at
https://github.com/SoylentNews/slashcode/issues/12 8 [github.com]
99999=Excellent (I suspect this is a placeholder for when capped, but I need to check)
My Karma on /. shows as "Excellent", however I don't know what the numerical value is.
Incidently, its also possible to make some types of moderations cost multiple mod points to do (i.e., marking someone troll might cost two modpoints instead of one).
That one actually sounds like a very good idea. I think Troll is used too many times when Overrated would do the job (and is fairer - I've had things marked as Troll many times when I was just expressing my honest opinion), so it would be nice if the moderator paid an extra cost to use Troll, which, frankly is a bit offensive to those who receive it.
I'd upvote this with the caveat that moderators be given more than the bare minimum of 5 points, on a regular basis. If and when this site becomes popular enough, there will be far too many shit posts that will need modded into oblivion, just as a matter of course, making it too easy to run out of points that other good posts would otherwise be deserving of.
And confirming the new reduced-font-size bug noted before. (Font returns to normal when the "Comment Submitted" page comes up.)
Anyway: I suspect people who like to downmod also do a lot more of it. So, yeah, downmod being more 'expensive' might not be a bad thing -- might discourage groupthink.
Well, you can always try it, and if it has unforeseen consequences, then ditch it.
[We've kinda been taught by That Other Site that any change WILL be set in stone and will never ever be backed out. :( ]
The purpose of my posts is to show that we aren't going to be other site 2.0, and that we intend to build a community, through and through.
And there was much rejoicing! :D
A delay for posting in a story if having negative Karma is definitely a good idea. One could also say that for anonymous and low positive Karma accounts, posting is possible immediately, but on "empty" stories (i.e. stories not yet having a post) takes effect only a minute after posting (so the post is in the database, but gets a time stamp of one minute in the future, and won't get displayed until that time arrived). That would greatly diminish the probability of getting first post with low or no Karma.
(Also note that showing that posts exist as early as possible also reduces the number of attempted first posts, because if the existing posts are not visible, FP trolls are encouraged to try their luck, although they cannot succeed anyway.)
There's a cleaner way to deal with this; I never want a user to be unable to post (short of us applying a ban due to a bot spamming). Subscribers can see the Mysterious Future, which I thought was kinda a lame perk of subscription on the other site, so I rather change it that people with high karma can see articles a bit before they go live. Not sure if I'll implement it, but one of many ideas ...
That kind of gets into something I'd like, over there and here when here gets bigger.
Either subscribers or logged-in account holders (depending on whether there ever are subscriptions and of what, exactly they consist, get to see "firehose" stories and comment on them before the "unwashed masses" can, and when it turns into a regular story/goes live/whatever you want to call it, you don't put up another entry of the same story, you just change the classification of it, and the comments already made are still there.
People are, I would think, more likely, by and large, to load the story if there are already comments to read as well, since we're the kind of "audience" that comes here to listen to and talk with each other.
...if found, please return to parent of this post.
Oh, wait, here it is. It must have come unstuck and fallen down here.