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The Wall Street Journal has an article detailing how the Paris attackers operated out in the open, using their own names, credit cards and drivers licenses. Even more absurd the leader was interviewed for a Terrorist of the Month profile piece in ISIS's english language magazine bragging that he had stockpiled weapons in preparation for an attack.
Combined with the evidence that they communicated over unencrypted SMS the evidence is pretty damning that the surveillance state is in the hands of the Keystone Kops.
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Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: To see his friend Gregory peck.
Q: Why did the chicken cross the playground?
A: To get to the other slide.
(Score: 5, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 01 2015, @02:49PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ARPJDLA?keywords=tom%20kratman%20the%20caliphate&qid=1448980316&ref_=sr_1_1&s=digital-text&sr=1-1 [amazon.com]
There are people writing books about our future. It's pretty damned dismal, if we don't wake the hell up.
http://www.amazon.com/Neoliberal-Economists-Must-Cybertank-Adventure-ebook/dp/B00HK3KLDQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1448980487&sr=1-4&keywords=timothy+gawne [amazon.com]
Yeah, they are works of fiction. Or, are they words of prophecy?
Wake up and smell the coffee people. Islam conquered Europe once before, and they are intent on doing so again. I don't give a damn that 50, or 80, or 90, or even 99% of Muslims are peaceful people. The peaceful people are the ones who stayed home. The Muslims who "migrated" to Europe are far less peaceful.
Yes, the terrorists are working right out in the open. That's because they know that they'll be protected and defended by these neoliberals discussed in the books. And, this is precisely why I detest the left/liberal/democrat/progressive party here in the states. They lie to you, baldly and loudly. And, the problem is, they tell the lies so often, and so loudly, that half the people in the nation believes them.
Remember - if only 1% of a population of 1.5 billion are terrorists, then they have an army of 15 million.
We were warned that these "refugees" aren't all refugees. The last I heard, three of these "refugees" were involved in the Paris murders.
Yeah, yeah, yeah - there are some Muslims speaking out against this crap. How many? Not nearly enough. If all these Muslims are so very peaceful, then the Muslim community should be turning these rat bastard pig pokers in BEFORE the attacks take place.
It's a war, people, and we're to damned stupid to realize it. We're still turning the other cheek, and trying to organize a Kum-ba-yah campfire singalong.
Don't worry about the campfire. The Muslims will soon be burning Europe down, with the help of all those lefty/socialist/progressive types. There will be plenty of fire, if we just sit on our dead asses, and do nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s [youtube.com]
President Obama can stand with Islam - I most certainly do not.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2015, @02:57PM
Being a "right thinking conservative" must be a genetic trait. When I was a kid I picked up this book at a used book sale for 10 cents or so:
http://www.amazon.com/None-dare-call-treason-Stormer/dp/B0006BLP6Q/ [amazon.com]
It was page after page of documented evidence that the Communists were about to conquer America and the rest of the West, aided and abetted by enemies within the USA, and people and institutions too weak to stop them. Book length. Fist pounding. Screaming. Wake up, you fools.
Go read it, Runaway, then tell us what you think.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 01 2015, @03:49PM
I'll let you in on a secret. The Commies have all but won. Compare the buying power of a working stiff circa 1970 to the working Millenial. Back then, there were people on welfare. Today, almost everyone is on welfare. Think about it.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday December 01 2015, @04:32PM
Read soviet era stories about political officers and indoctrination struggle sessions, then compare to modern higher ed... pretty creepy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2015, @05:46PM
Did you miss the whole classes are optional part? Add more detail about the connection you are making or it will be dismissed pretty quickly.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Thexalon on Tuesday December 01 2015, @06:04PM
You are right that there is a very big problem with wages versus productivity [wikimedia.org].
Where you are wrong is in answering the question of who is ripping you off.
The current US GDP is approximately $15 trillion. Wages account for $7 trillion of that, leaving $8 trillion for people who aren't working for it. All government welfare programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, TANF, Veteran's Administration, food stamps, unemployment insurance), combined, are about $2.5 trillion. The remaining $5.5 trillion goes to investors.
The same calculation 15 years ago, in 2000: GDP - $10 trillion. Wages: $6 trillion. Government welfare: $1 trillion. The remaining $3 trillion went to investors.
Now look at the changes in those values over those 15 years: Wages go up $1 trillion. Welfare goes up $1.5 trillion, which is indeed a problem. But look at the investors' take of +$2.5 trillion. That's the same size as everybody else combined. And there's a significant moral difference between ripping somebody off to be able to get food or medicine needed to survive, and ripping somebody off to get a nicer yacht or second mansion.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 2) by hankwang on Tuesday December 01 2015, @11:54PM
Your way of GDP accounting is peculiar. The accounting identy for GDP is:
GDP = consumption + investment + government spending + (exports − imports)
Wages are related, but not equal, to consumption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting_identity#Economics [wikipedia.org]
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(Score: 2) by SanityCheck on Tuesday December 01 2015, @04:56PM
Being a "right thinking conservative" must be a genetic trait.
It may be slightly genetic, but I think it is more to do with environment and age. Of course all 3 factors affect the structure of your neural network.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday December 01 2015, @03:13PM
Just for you Runaway: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/dd/64/dd/dd64dddd2b38ecc3798f683fc06cb569.jpg [pinimg.com]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 01 2015, @04:13PM
Nope. You know how I want my eggy. Just like Grandpa always made them.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Egg-In-The-Hole/ [instructables.com]
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Tuesday December 01 2015, @03:41PM
They are turning these rat bastard pig pokers in. A really good example of this: Before the underwear bomber tried to light his pants on fire, his father traveled to the capital of Nigeria and told them everything he knew about what had happened to his son. That's right - one of those "evil" Muslims was doing everything he could to turn in his own flesh and blood in order to prevent terrorism, knowing full well that this could end in his son's death or at least imprisonment for life. Also, just about everybody who was at some point locked up in Gitmo, Abu Graib, and a bunch of other nasty places? Turned in by their neighbors.
Everything that people who are advocating a thoroughly violent response say they are punishing the peaceful Muslims for not doing, they're doing. They've been actively fighting Daesh and its allies. They've been speaking out against terrorism. They've been working with governments to root out terrorists in their midst. None of that has convinced anybody who is promoting war against Islam that maybe these peaceful Muslims aren't their enemy. Heck, Iran's biggest deployments of military resources since the 1979 revolution were against Saddam Hussein and Daesh, and look at how many Americans still are itching to bomb them to smithereens.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 1, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 01 2015, @04:01PM
Yes - one Muslim turns a rat bastard in, and another leaves "home" in Europe to join Daesh in Syria. The numbers are not on our side.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2015, @05:55PM
Wow, ignore the things that don't fit your narrative, great plan. Given the repeated revelations about how SO MANY of the attacks were known by the authorities, and how the Paris attackers did everything in plain sight, it may stand to reason that there is a vested interest in letting these things happen. Possibly, just MAYBE you are getting angry at the wrong group of people... What is your excuse for not making a citizen's arrest of most every politician in the US? Why haven't you turned over the evil corporate CEOs to the UN for judgment? Why haven't you stopped the rest of the country from supporting invasions of sovereign countries based on lies?
There is plenty of blame to spread around, but in case you haven't gotten the notification: it doesn't help anything. There sure may be some extremists mixed in with refugees, but a response of fear is only going to cause more problems. Leave it to the authorities to keep their eyes open and stop problems, since they can't seem to do it when the plans are in plain sight then I think there are bigger problems that won't be solved by xenophobia.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday December 01 2015, @06:45PM
Until they do, they are complicit in holding a murderous religion sacred, even if they're too hypocritical to actually obey its laws.
I have very little positive to say about christains (such as my own flesh and blood in the upward familial direction), but at least they've managed to replace the murder with something a bit more sane. Except on the gay thing, but that's mostly just Paul, and on that they're all hypocrites too. God hates fags, at least when they're being faggy ("it's alright as long as I don't actually do anything gay" has at least once been uttered by a man of the cloth) - that's in the freaking bible. And even though there is no god actually doing any hating, as there's no actual god, there's still the pesky god-botherers who are propagating the hate. Ditch the old testement, and rip out a good proportion of Paul, and I'd have far fewer complaints about them.
However, in comparison, the islamic canon is way worse than the christian one (not least because it's a superset of the worst bit). It needs so much of a rewrite what you're left with wouldn't be recognisable as Islam.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday December 01 2015, @07:39PM
I'll just leave this here...
Since September 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed in the U.S. by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics, or other non-Muslim extremists than by Muslim terrorists [nytimes.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 01 2015, @10:53PM
*
That's only 1% to 2% of the population, yet the NYT is saying they're to blame for more than a third of those incidents? Maybe the bigots are onto something.
* http://www.tolerance.org/publication/american-muslims-united-states [tolerance.org]
(Score: 1) by Roger Murdock on Wednesday December 02 2015, @02:28AM
It depends on how many white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics, or other non-Muslim extremists there are in the US don't you think?
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday December 02 2015, @11:30AM
However, note that risks should be measured as rates, and you've presumably forgotten to divide. The number of christains in the US is probably at least 20 times the number of muslims. What happens when that factor of 20+ is taken into account?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2, Informative) by tftp on Tuesday December 01 2015, @07:51PM
Until they do, they are complicit in holding a murderous religion sacred, even if they're too hypocritical to actually obey its laws.
Peaceful Muslims do exist, and I knew some... but the catch is that they are acting in supporting role. They pay a religious tax:
There are eight groups of people on whom Zakat should be spent, as mentioned in the Quran: "The alms are only for the Fuqara' (the poor), and Al-Masakin (the needy) and those employed to collect (the funds); and to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined (towards Islam); and to free the captives; and for those in debt; and for Allah's Cause, and for the wayfarer (a traveler who is cut off from everything); a duty imposed by Allah."
This basically means that they are financing the Jihad; it does not matter if those peaceful Muslims are aware of the fact or not. They also act as a support team, organizing peace marches to convince the world of their peace-loving nature. They apply political pressure by voting to advance Islam. They move into new territories to spread Islam. Those are peaceful acts in themselves, but who said that every conquest has to be a battle? Given time, terror will stop because there would be no targets left to terrorize, as everyone will be under Islam already. Terror is just a method in the war for global domination. What is the easiest way to push people toward conversion? An offer that they cannot refuse will certainly work, but there are other, easier ways. For example, exempt Muslims from some onerous taxes. There was some talk that Muslims are exempt from Obamacare; that appears to be untrue, but it is a viable model for accelerated conversion - just bait people with something they want.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday December 02 2015, @11:35AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by kbahey on Tuesday December 01 2015, @07:18PM
Here is the news article about the father reporting his terrorist son [bbc.co.uk].
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(Score: 2) by SanityCheck on Tuesday December 01 2015, @04:46PM
I'm frightened to think what my future suggestions from Amazon will be after clicking these links, oh well.
You're a good guy Runaway, keep us honest.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 02 2015, @03:28AM
> You're a good guy Runaway, keep us honest.
That's sarcasm, right? Especially given your userid, it's gotta be sarcasm. Runaway is one of the most emotionally driven posters on the site, all anger, fear and credulous tribalism.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday December 01 2015, @06:58PM
The peaceful people are the ones who stayed home. The Muslims who "migrated" to Europe are far less peaceful.
You do know that all of the identified attackers have been EU Nationals thus far, and not Syrian Refugees, right?
And, the problem is, they tell the lies so often, and so loudly, that half the people in the nation believes them.
Pot meet kettle....
IDENTIFIED ASSAILANTS ARE E.U. NATIONALS [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 02 2015, @01:45AM
And that only drives home the fact that the "immigrants" are not asimilating. They have no desire to assimilate.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 02 2015, @03:36AM
> And that only drives home the fact that the "immigrants" are not asimilating. They have no desire to assimilate.
No, it is the reverse. Quivering children like you have enough clout that society ends up pushing them away from assimilation. They speak the language natively, they swim in the same pop culture but when they try to participate they are pushed back. Guys like you are the problem. Telling them that despite being born and growing up like everyone else, they are the other. Passing laws like the thinly-veiled ban on veils. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 02 2015, @06:03AM
Wow, you've moved the goalposts so far we're not even playing the same sport anymore.
You used the word "refugee" three times in your post. And the word "immigrant," never.
I guess we're talking about immigrants, now?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 02 2015, @03:34PM
The proper word is "invader".
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz