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I see two local stories from local sources and I'm sure there are more.
FBI says it thwarted plot to violently overthrow elected government and kidnap elected governor and hold a "trial" for treason. (gee, who sounds treasonous here?)
Plot involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia (according to federal affidavit). (I'm sure it was a "well regulated" militia of crazy lunatics with guns who have to "take back our country and our rats!".)
"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit.
More than 12 people were arrested late Wednesday on state and federal charges.
“The group talked about creating a society that followed the U.S. Bill of Rights and where they could be self-sufficient,” the FBI agent wrote.
The FBI was already tracking the militia in March after a local police department learned members were trying to obtain addresses of local law-enforcement officers, the FBI agent wrote.
In late June, Fox posted on Facebook a video in which he complained about the state’s judicial system and COVID-19 restrictions on gyms operating in Michigan.
"We ain't going to let 'em burn our f---in' state down. I don't give a f--- if there's only 20 or 30 of us, dude, we'll go out there and use deadly force," said Fox during the surveillance operation, according to an audio recording quoted in the affidavit.
“The lockdown has been a lightning rod for anti-government extremists in this country, and Gov. Whitmer has been on the forefront of their targeting,”
(And the US has 4 % of the world population but 20 % of the covid deaths. Before some idiot AC says [citation needed]... Google for numbers "worldwide covid deaths" 1.06M and "us covid deaths" 212K. Advanced mathematical technique called "division". Similarly Google for world and us population, use similar "division" technique.)
According to other news source, 13 charged in plot.
In Covid-19 news, Trump says it must have been gold star families that infected him with Covid-19. Because viruses are selective in that they only infect bad people such as those "losers and suckers".
Fun fact: Some people don't like facts.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 08 2020, @07:29PM (37 children)
The founders wanted Americans to be able to do things exactly like that. S'why the second amendment is what it is. Like everything else in life though, the consequences of your actions are on you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @08:41PM (9 children)
Remember children, use the boxes in the correct order. It goes Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammo Box. Violence is the first resort of the incompetent.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 08 2020, @09:32PM (8 children)
See, you need to clarify there. Way too many folks will think you mean use their soap box to stand on and vocalize their objections, when what they really need to do with a soap box is take the soap out and USE IT TO WASH THEIR ASSES.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @11:45PM
I suggest you wash every surface due to the high velocity and frequency at which you eject fecal matter.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @12:09AM (2 children)
Why is this so triggering for you?
(Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @02:39AM (1 child)
That's not me triggered, that's me imparting sage wisdom to stinky fuckers.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @04:53PM
Your momma needs to wash out your mouth with that soap.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday October 09 2020, @05:11AM (3 children)
Is that some kind of jailhouse humor?
I'll admit, I did laugh...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @06:37PM
No, just general stinky fuckers humor. There's too many of em lately. This ain't France.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 11 2020, @04:15AM (1 child)
Locker room, barracks, and military humor. It's common to hear someone tell another person to go wash his nasty ass. Anyplace you get a group of near-adult and/or adult males living and working together, you're probably going to hear it. Your question could suggest that you've led a sheltered life.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday October 11 2020, @02:31PM
Whoosh on both of you...
don't drop the soap
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @01:40AM (10 children)
Really?!? I thought the Founders of this nation wanted Americans to speak freely, to petition their government for redress of grievances, to choose representatives by means of voting. I never dreamed that the Founders of the nation wanted militias to kidnap lawfully elected Governors (and other elected representatives)! In fact, I'm almost certain that the Founders never dreamed of (nor wanted) this either.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @02:49AM (7 children)
You really need to go back to grade school then. The founders had just recently finished killing the shit out of a whole lot of legitimate representatives of their democratically elected (though not by them for the most part) government, with privately owned firearms and artillery (almost entirely at the outset, less so as things went on), when they wrote it. It exists because they wanted to make sure we could always do the same. Read their correspondence when they were writing the constitution and the amendments. There is no question whatsoever that it is there first and foremost so that the people can always violently overthrow their government should it be warranted.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday October 09 2020, @05:21AM (6 children)
Uh huh... They can try. That George Hamilton was a radical dude! [mountvernon.org]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @04:57PM
I thought George Hamiliton was that tan dude?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @06:39PM (4 children)
Yeah, success ain't a guarantee but the the right to resist needs to be.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday October 09 2020, @10:01PM (3 children)
In that case the "right" to resist is already guaranteed, everywhere. What was made obvious is that the feds rule the roost. Nothing has changed from then until now.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @10:57PM (2 children)
Unrestricted access to viable means to resist is what the 2A protects, not the right to resist.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday October 09 2020, @11:55PM (1 child)
Doesn't help if you can't win. But at least you can shoot your neighbors when they get ornery. That's something you can't do in most places
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday October 10 2020, @12:44AM
Yes, it does. There's a reason people still talk about those 300 Spartans thousands of years later. With any luck you'll understand one day.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 09 2020, @03:46AM (1 child)
You should not go back to school as TMB suggests. Instead, you should do some internet searches for the commentary and writing of the founding fathers. The right to revolt is is written into the DNA of this nation. Face it: All of them were revolutionary assholes. They had to justify their own revolution, which, in turn, imparts to succeeding generations the same right to revolt.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday October 09 2020, @05:15AM
And then there was the Whiskey Rebellion to set the record straight...
The people! They're revolting! Yeah, they stink on ice!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @06:54AM (10 children)
Let me get this straight. You say that random folks should be allowed to kidnap and imprison someone they've *personally* adjudged to be acting against *their interpretation* of our governmental system.
Further, you believe that those same random people should be allowed to act as judge, jury and executioner of those they've *already* adjudged to be guilty of whatever they see as illegal/immoral/fattening.
You also say that such actions may not end well for those who take them.
Is that correct?
I ask because I don't want to misunderstand your point of view. Thanks!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday October 09 2020, @06:08PM (6 children)
You've basically got it, yes. Uzzard is not what one would call a constitutional scholar :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @06:41PM (5 children)
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @07:36PM (4 children)
Keep flying that ignorance loud and proud! You're not 100% wrong, just missing a hell of a lot of details and giving these domestic terrorists way more credit than they deserve.
Idiots like this will drive the world further into authoritarian bullshit as it becomes obvious that people are too selfish to do things like protext their communities against a pandemic. We're seeing the results now, mask and lickdown states are faring much better than full open states. Relaxing lockdown measures results in people forgetting all about precautions and acting like the virus is gone.
Then we have a small but significant portion of the country applauding these efforts, and the Venn diagram for supporting police brutality and denying systemic racism has these folks in the middle. It is one thing to support Constitutional rights, something else to support terrorists in any way.
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @07:47PM (3 children)
I didn't say word one about the chuckleheads themselves or what they had done, so, sorry, you lose this round.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 10 2020, @05:27PM (2 children)
So now we have to figure out when context is important and when it is not? This is why we don't like debating with rightwingers. Just rude shifty bullcrap.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 13 2020, @02:33PM (1 child)
No, you just have to read what I actually say and respond to that. I'll call your disingenuous ass on it every time you don't.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 16 2020, @12:19AM
Stop shitting your pants, it is really stinking up the place.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 09 2020, @06:40PM (2 children)
Allowed to? No. They have to take the risks and consequences of any action they take, same as the founders did.
Have the ability to? Absofuckinglutely.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 10 2020, @04:49AM (1 child)
So I guess that means you're in the vicinity of Professor Bernardo de La Paz's concept of a Rational Anarchist [wikipedia.org]:
Does that about cover it?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 13 2020, @02:36PM
Definitely in that vicinity, yes, though I put some thought into what legal burdens I want my government to saddle me with whereas he didn't particularly care all that much.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 11 2020, @02:52AM (4 children)
What do those bozos have to do with "a well regulated militia"?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 11 2020, @04:25PM
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 13 2020, @02:51PM (2 children)
The "well regulated militia" bit? Really? Put at least a little effort into your argument. Let's give you the highlights of why that doesn't even make sense to spout:
A) Well regulated did not mean "having sufficient well crafted government regulations upon it" at the time. It meant in good condition, presentable, well turned out. Look that shit up.
B) "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" is a clause that gives a reason for what follows in the Second Amendment. A reason not the only reason.
C) Even should it be interpreted as the only reason, the militia is every able-bodied person capable of defending their nation in time of need. The National Guard and Whatever Reserve are not militias, they're part-time military. Militias are full-on civilians who aid the military only in times of great need.
D) Read the correspondence between the founders at the time that amendment was written. There is zero doubt to be had that the intent was that the people should always be able to take up arms against their government.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 16 2020, @12:27AM (1 child)
You nutters really like twisting history for your own benefit. It was state vs. federal that was the issue, and your constant revisionism is not going to change anything. States are allowed to regulate guns and that is reality. Be glad that citizens rights to own firearms has been upheld.
Always amazes me how much you argue for two amendments while ignoring abuses of others. Hell, you don't even support the 1st amendment right of oeaceful protesters because a small number of people commit crimes.
Just amazeballs how fascist you're willing to be while lroclaiming yku're the most freedom loving asshole around.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 16 2020, @03:03AM
Oh bullshit. Read your fucking history. The real shit. Actual correspondence and minutes not what some fucknut PHD in Berkeley wrote. Or more likely what some wokie retard told you on Twitter about what some fucknut from Berkeley wrote.
Which one have you seen me cheering abuses of? Come on now, you made the accusation, pick a number and say how or STFU. Can't? Yeah, fuck back off to mommy's basement then before the student loan people find you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @07:36PM (9 children)
The militia reached out to them... about protesting. If they were more involved than that, those two articles certainly don't say that. These were a gang of idiots, coached and led by the FBI, who then gets brownie points to cover up their incompetence.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday October 08 2020, @07:48PM (3 children)
Why Does the FBI Have to Manufacture its Own Plots if Terrorism and ISIS Are Such Grave Threats? [theintercept.com]
How the FBI Created a Terrorist [theintercept.com]
Another “Terror” Arrest; Another Mentally Ill Man, Armed by the FBI [theintercept.com]
18-Year-Old Arrested on Terrorism Charges Is Mentally “Like a Child” [theintercept.com]
Most FBI foiled plots are fake or exaggerated. At least they nabbed several idiots this time instead of one mentally ill loner.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday October 08 2020, @10:48PM
Same conflict of interest is what lead to the War on Drugs starting its anti-marijuana phase in the 1930s. With Prohibition about to be repealed, Harry Anslinger, the head of the Department of Prohibition, faked evidence that marijuana was dangerous. He found a literal ax murderer who happened to also be a user of marijuana. It worked. Scared people demanded that they be kept safe from reefer madness.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday October 09 2020, @04:09PM (1 child)
Arsonist/fireman...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 11 2020, @04:26PM
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Magic Oddball on Thursday October 08 2020, @08:39PM (3 children)
The article at the BBC [bbc.com] states:
All of the setups by the FBI that I've heard of were largely limited to finding a few people who were griping, goading them into expressing interest in harming others, then getting them to do one or two simple things in preparation for it; they don't usually go to the lengths described above.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @09:33PM
Who did they buy weapons and bomb-making equipment from? FBI. Who was with them surveying the house and it's surroundings? FBI.
These people are idiots, no doubt. Maybe, they are dangerous idiots who need to be incarcerated for public safety. However, I don't trust anything the FBI says, and I don't buy that they were actually going to do or plan much of anything without FBI assistance.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 09 2020, @03:55AM (1 child)
Key to your quote is their wish, or their desire. These fools wouldn't qualify as a militia, by any stretch of the imagination. They don't have 200 members. They don't have weapons, they don't have explosives, they don't have diddly-squat.
BTW - 200 men weren't needed for the operation they were envisioning. 20 men would have been excessive, most likely. Snatch and run is best accomplished with a small force, between 4 and 12 people involved. Separate units might be employed to run interference, but again, 200 people are way too many.
This does look a lot like the FBI setting up a small group of village idiots for publicity purposes. 6 arrests? Par for the course.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 10 2020, @05:04PM
The more people involved, the higher the probability of an informant.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @12:12AM
Yes, because the government needs to manufacture every terrorist nutcase. When it does create them, they tend to be aimed at other states, such as the Soviets in Afghanistan, and it bites the United States in the ass later.
Everything is a conspiracy when it is embarrassing to the American right.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @09:38PM (7 children)
Militia == domestic terrorists with white skin
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @09:54PM (1 child)
*sob* Muh white victimhood! Pity me! Pity me!!! *sob*
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @10:52PM
Guns?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @12:07AM (4 children)
Militia = Trump haters:
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897 [twitter.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @12:25AM (3 children)
With an anarchist flag on his wall.
Since we're discussing extremists, why aren't the feds arresting Governor Grimace [americanthinker.com] too?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @01:05AM (2 children)
I dunno! Maybe because the Governor has not formed a <dripping sarcasm>citizen's militia</dripping sarcasm> to storm the Capitol? Could that be the reason? And since you apparently want to go there, no, merely being told by the courts that she had overstepped her authority under the state's 1945 Emergency Powers of the Governor Act does not automatically make her an "extremist". You may find this incredible to believe but occasionally the courts do step in to overrule Governors and Presidents of various political persuasions ("extremists" or no). Whether you want to vote for her in the next election is your call of course.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @03:50PM (1 child)
Indeed, the current POTUS has been ruled by a number of courts to have overstepped the bounds of his authority. Why aren't "militias" attempting to punish him?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @04:09PM
Because, like them, the current POTUS is a raging man-child? They see him as one of their own.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2020, @12:53AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314267058339819520 [twitter.com]