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Why do millions of Americans on both the right and the left ignore their own economic self-interest when they choose which political party to support?

Partisan prioritization of cultural and racial issues has, to a notable extent, superseded the economic conflicts that once characterized the nation’s politics, leading to what scholars call a “dematerialization” of American electoral competition.

On the right, millions of working- and middle-class whites have shifted their focus away from the goal of income redistribution — an objective Democrats have customarily promoted — to support the Republican preference for traditional, even reactionary, sociocultural values. At the same time, college-educated white voters have come to support tax and spending initiatives that subordinate their own financial self-interest in favor of redistribution and liberal social values.

Benjamin Enke and Alex Wu, economists at Harvard, and Mattias Polborn, a political scientist at Vanderbilt, capture the rationale underlying this push-me, pull-you cycle in their April paper, “Morals as Luxury Goods and Political Polarization”:

The logic is that when the rich get disproportionately richer, they place a higher weight on moral considerations, which induces some rich moral liberals to swing Democratic. This, in turn, induces the parties to polarize on social issues because their voter bases have now both become more extreme. Faced with such socially increasingly polarized parties, a poor, morally conservative voter may well become more likely to vote Republican, even when his materially preferred economic policy has moved to the left as a result of increased income inequality. In turn, when poor moral conservatives swing Republican, this further pushes the Republican Party position on social issues to the right and the Democratic one further left.

The idea that moral values are, in that sense, luxury goods, Enke, Wu and Polborn write, “is not new but has appeared in different terminology across the social sciences, such as in Abraham Maslow’s (1943) ‘hierarchy of needs’, the influential ‘postmaterialism’ literature initiated by Ronald Inglehart (1997, 2020), or the argument that modernization increases demand for democracy (Seymour Martin Lipset, 1959).”

These trends manifest, the authors continue, “in two ways: first, in any given survey year, rich people report being less materialist than the poor. Second, as average incomes increased over time, the U.S. population as a whole became less materially oriented.”

In a separate 2020 paper, “Moral Values and Voting,” Enke found that

starting in the 1960s, Republicans and Democrats polarized in their moral appeal: for more than 30 years, Democrats increasingly placed a stronger emphasis on universalist moral concepts, a trend that was considerably weaker among Republicans. Thus, today the Democratic Party has a substantially more universalist profile than the Republican Party.

Enke measured the level of support for universalist values by using what he calls “a moral foundation questionnaire” that “elicits respondents’ agreement with moral value statements,” including such “universalist statements” as “Compassion with suffering is a crucial virtue,” “Laws should treat everyone fairly” and “Justice most important requirement for society,” in contrast to such “communal values” statements as “Be loyal to your family even if they have done something wrong,” “Be a team player, rather than express oneself” and “Soldiers must obey even if they disagree with an order.”

Analyzing the speeches of recent presidential candidates, Enke contends that Donald Trump stood apart for his focus on the world of his followers:

Trump’s moral language is less universalist, or equivalently, more communal, than that of any other presidential nominee in recent history. Trump is also more communal than his 2016 primary contenders. Moreover, the difference in moral appeal between Trump and Hillary Clinton is particularly pronounced.

In their paper on morals as luxury goods, Enke, Wu and Polborn contend that it is the most affluent and best-educated citizens who propel the contemporary political emphasis on moral and cultural issues, stressing that “the cultural or moral conflict is between different subsets of the elite. This conflict among elites induces party polarization, which then propagates into changes in voting behavior among the poor.”

In a joint email, Enke and his co-authors elaborated on this process:

As the rich become richer over time, they place a higher weight on their moral values relative to their material incentives. As a result, some voters who are both rich and morally liberal who used to vote Republican swing to the Democrats. The Democratic constituency becomes more morally liberal on average, while the Republican constituency becomes more morally conservative, on average. To make these new constituencies happy, the Democratic Party moves to the left on social issues and the Republican Party to the right.

White voters who are low-income, morally conservative and formerly Democrats, the authors continue,

can now swing Republican because of the change in party positions. Now that the parties are polarized socially, it becomes more relevant for people to vote based on their values, simply because the stakes have increased. As a result, in our model, poor moral conservatives can swing Republican over time even though they don’t become richer and even though economic inequality increased to their disadvantage. In our model, this is all driven by the fact that the parties partly accommodate the changing priorities of the rich, which are now more moral in nature.

In “Identity, beliefs, and political conflict,” Giampaolo Bonomi, a doctoral candidate in economics at the University of California, San Diego, and Nicola Gennaioli and Guido Tabellini, professors of economics at Bocconi University in Milan, make a similar argument:

Economic shocks that boost conflict among cultural groups can also trigger a shift to cultural identity. We offer two examples: skilled biased technical change and globalization. If these shocks hurt less educated and hence more conservative voters, and benefit more educated and hence more progressive voters, they make cultural cleavages more salient and can induce a switch to cultural identity. As a result, economic losers become more socially and fiscally conservative.

In support of their argument, Bonomi, Gennaioli and Tabellini cite the work of David Autor and of Italo Colantone and Piero Stanig to “show that, both in the U.S. and in Europe, losses from international trade foster support for right-wing and conservative parties.”

Their analysis reveals how economic issues mesh with cultural issues in ways that make it difficult to define whether the economic framework creates the moral framework or vice versa.

In an email, Gennaioli noted that their paper “helps explain important real-world phenomena that cannot be understood under the conventional rational choice theory,” which then leads to the question: Why do voters adopt seemingly irrational positions?

Gennaioli wrote:

This question must be broken down into two. First: why do economic losers identify as “cultural conservatives” as opposed to “working class”? Second: how does the “cultural conservative” identity shape the policies that economic losers do or do not demand?

In answer to the first question, Gennaioli contended that

cultural identity is triggered by shocks of a specific kind: those that amplify the economic conflict between culturally conservative vs. progressive voters. Examples of such shocks are expanded international trade, or introduction of labor-saving technologies. These shocks hurt less-educated workers — who tend to be more conservative — while they often benefit more educated voters — who tend to be more progressive because of their higher education. These shocks thus focus the losers on what they have in common, that they belong to a culturally conservative local community particularly exposed to import competition. Thus, losers of trade and technology shocks tend to view social conflict as “us, the conservatives” vs. “them, the progressives.”

Gennaioli observed further:

On the one hand, as economic losers abandon the working class, they also abandon its very stereotypical idea that fighting income disparities is a social priority. On the other hand, culturally conservative losers do not want the universal redistribution of the left, which may go to progressive people or ethnic minorities they dislike. Instead, they may favor specific policies such as protectionism or subsidies to specific sectors/places/workers.

Edsall also presents more data from several other papers/authors. The whole article (and its source material) are an interesting read.

Does this analysis make any sense to you? The concept that the educated elites drive the mechanisms that polarize/unite the rest of us seems to hit all the right buttons, but is pretty depressing.

Is that a function of a failure to teach history (successfully) and civics (at all) that leaves the hoi polloi at the mercy of the educated, as they actually understand how to twiddle the levers of power?

Or is there more to it than that?

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:49AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:49AM (#1271753)

    Just checking. True AC posting is now disallowed in journals? Say it ain't so, janny!

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:53AM (4 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:53AM (#1271754) Journal

      It ain't so.

      Nothing has changed with respect to journals. The owner of the journal controls who can access his/her journal. The journals are invisible to site admins which is why we cannot take any responsibility for them.

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @09:41AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @09:41AM (#1271760)

        Invisible? How are you here, oh Mighty janrinok? Trouble I had posting has cleared up. but the question remains, why are Americans so stupid as to keep voting against their own economic self-interest. The United States had it's greatest decline in poverty during the Covid-19 crisis. Seems we actually could have a war on Poverty, and win, without breaking the bank, or the capitalist system? But, khallow.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday September 15 2022, @09:55AM (2 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 15 2022, @09:55AM (#1271763) Journal

          The journals are invisible to site admins which is why we cannot take any responsibility for them.

          Invisible? How are you here, oh Mighty janrinok?

          We see them as users not as admins, plonker. We cannot edit them, we cannot change the settings for who can post in them. We cannot even see what the settings are. As admins our only option is to delete them - full stop.

          Trouble I had posting has cleared up

          So, next time, don't start claiming that you think the 'admins' are stopping ACs from posting. We are not. Sort your end out as we told you to do on IRC.

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          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @03:45AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @03:45AM (#1271919)

            Who did you tell on IRC, if you cannot even see journal entries? I am confused about what you are claiming to know, jan, and if you don't know, how can you be so sure that you are not censoring all True ACs?

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday September 16 2022, @07:26AM

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 16 2022, @07:26AM (#1271937) Journal

              I am confused about what you are claiming to know, jan, and if you don't know, how can you be so sure that you are not censoring all True ACs?

              We know that you are confused - but that is because, despite your personal beliefs, you do not know how the site works. So just to make it clear to everybody that you continue to spread FUD with many of your comments, I will explain in very simple terms for you.

              The 'journal' text is the text at the top of the page - it is the name given to what we call the story or summary on the main pages. I have no control over the content or editing of someone else's journal. I can see it just as you see it. A site editor cannot change it.

              Comments are the bits of text below the journal entry. They do not belong to the owner of the journal but by the person who made them. As admins we can see ALL comments plus a lot more besides. We can see meta-data belonging to the comment which the owner himself cannot see (hashes, moderation, etc).

              As administrators (not all staff are administrators, and not all administrators are editors) we have lots of control over comments. We can revert unfair moderations, we can spot mod bombs very easily and take the appropriate action, we can identify doxxing etc.

              Administrators have additional privileges over and above those given to editors etc. (This is why your humorous plea to hubie was a waste of your effort - hubie is not an administrator. He has declined that role)

              Nobody is being censored - either on here or on the main page. You are still posting comments. Other ACs are posting comments. There is no censorship taking place. You can also post anonymously on the main page stories if you use an account and then select the 'post anonymously' option. That you do not do so is a personal choice, not something being imposed upon everybody

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 15 2022, @12:50PM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 15 2022, @12:50PM (#1271779) Journal
    What's interesting is that all the stuff that the NYT article talks about, isn't the core of the study's conclusions.

    This paper studies the supply of and demand for moral values in recent US presidential elections. Using a combination of large-scale survey data and text analyses, I find support for the hypothesis that both voters and politicians exhibit heterogeneity in their emphasis on universalist rela- tive to communal moral values and that politicians’ vote shares partly re- flect the extent to which their moral appeal matches the values of the electorate. Over the last decade, Americans’ values have become increas- ingly communal—especially in rural areas—which generated increased moral polarization and is associated with changes in voting patterns across space.

    In the paper the authors make a distinction between "communal" and "universalist" - basically the former is more or less a tribal thing. I suggest the near zero sum political ecosystem and the continued stress on the US from global labor competition as starting points for why that's happening - not elite virtue signaling.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:23PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:23PM (#1271782)

      Is that a function of a failure to teach history (successfully) and civics (at all) that leaves the hoi polloi at the mercy of the educated, as they actually understand how to twiddle the levers of power?

      I suggest the near zero sum political ecosystem and the continued stress on the US from global labor competition as starting points for why that's happening - not elite virtue signaling.

      Hmmm. You two should get a room and figure out why, against a backdrop of inflationary pillaging of the middle class, the elites or "the educated" have resorted to pushing obnoxious rhetorical untruths -- "politically correct" [wikipedia.org] shibboleths that absolutely nobody really believes.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:49PM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:49PM (#1271865) Journal
        We already have a room. Here.

        As to the elites I bet it's just more groupthink. I don't think there's some master plan.
        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:24PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:24PM (#1271879)

          It's more than group think, luxury beliefs signal both status and virtue. This is why seeing them glitch over 50 migrants at Martha's Vineyard is so satisfying. It's cruel to send people fleeing Communism to an enclave of champagne socialists according to WH spox - how dare border states rub the elites faces in their own shit. It's not that people don't vote in their own favor but that many see the political class as lying, narcissistic hypocrites.

          See also Matt Walsh joking that only a translucent actor should be cast as the little mermaid. Welcome to Glitchville as the left suddenly proclaim that translucent people don't exist. Debates bifurcate until the unreasonable position becomes unsustainable, then self-interest should become part of the compromise.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @03:47AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @03:47AM (#1271920)

            Matt Walsh? That guy's an asshole, as is khallow. Body-type wingman extra-ordinaire.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:00PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:00PM (#1271793)

    A question well begged, my friend.

    Curiously, my financial well-being has ever been better served by liberal administrations - if one factors in the true cause of financial reverses and ignores the contrived or accidental timing of events.

    Dubya owes me six figures, and the orange clown bragged about the economic doom that would attend our voting the wrong way - almost like the dominoes were deliberately set up that way.

    Guess it's all in how you look at it. A pox upon dissemblers!

  • (Score: 2) by Ingar on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:19PM

    by Ingar (801) on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:19PM (#1271796) Homepage Journal

    The propaganda of the Powers That Be made sure Americans will vote for their financial self-interest.

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:50PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:50PM (#1271823) Journal

    As the rich become richer over time, they place a higher weight on their moral values relative to their material incentives.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:52PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:52PM (#1271825)

    > Why Aren’t You Voting in Your Financial Self-Interest?

    Why does everyone try to lump everything into one category (as I just did)?

    There's no one answer- some do vote in their financial self-interest.

    Many people are not completely selfish and narcissistic. Some have morals and ethics and believe in voting for, as well as doing for and donating to people and organizations they perceive as doing some kind of greater good. What's really happening under the covers might be a very different thing altogether.

    New York Times is not a news organization. They are a (liberal) political commentary publisher. If you can possibly keep that in your mind as you read their posts, and not get sucked into drinking the kool aid, you'll have less confusion.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:57PM (5 children)

      by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:57PM (#1271828) Homepage Journal

      New York Times is not a news organization. They are a (liberal) political commentary publisher. If you can possibly keep that in your mind as you read their posts, and not get sucked into drinking the kool aid, you'll have less confusion.

      Huh? WTF are you going on about? Pretty much *every* newspaper has opinion/commentary sections, as wells as straight news sections, the NYT included.

      This particular essay is an opinion piece by an opinion columnist and is clearly marked as opinion and not news.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:13PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:13PM (#1271836)

        They only know Fox style reporting where context and nuance are ignored in favor of brainwashing certainty that brimgs in the views and.clicks. Although Fox and other right wing outlets are pushing a fascist narrative not simply maximizing ad profits.

        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:21PM (3 children)

          by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:21PM (#1271878) Homepage Journal

          Yeah, No context [nytimes.com] or nuance at all [nytimes.com]. Ever [nytimes.com].

          Please.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:47PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:47PM (#1271883)

            Was remarking on conservative news consumption. Can't blame you for the mistake, this place is turning into a rightwing echo chamber as so many have left. We've got the core conservative boomer group hanging around, and mostly libertarians as the "liberal" perspective now. Yuck, no surprise the founders took off horrified at the shitshow they enabled. The recent articles on gender equality and women really illustrates the misogyny and racism held by many long time users. Was funny seeing phoenix666 get upset his shit joke was taken seriously, and no self reflection will help him understand. Can't help someone that voted for Trump TWO TIMES!?

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @03:54AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @03:54AM (#1271922)

              We've got the core conservative boomer group hanging around

              The onset is not so early, anymore. Phoenix666 used to be able to think, but now it's mostly lower brain fear functions. Runaway, well, no deterioration there, since the bottom was the starting point. Janrinok definitely needs to check in. Bradley13 is about to be the guest of Swiss socialist medical care, all, you know, against his will. Well, it was a good run, until the maggots got into the brains. Here's to the future of the internet, just it is not here.

            • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday September 16 2022, @04:11AM

              Oh. I see. I thought the "You" at the beginning of the comment I replied to meant the NYT,

              I'd point out (not naming any names though) that some folks aren't that dumb/fucked in the head, they just like "pwning teh libz" for the lulz.

              As hobbies go, I imagine it's not very rewarding, but whatever blows their skirts up, I guess.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:36PM (#1271881)

    It will answer all your questions

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