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Recently published in Journal of Social and Political Psychology by Thomas F. Pettigrew seeks to understand the psychological profile of Trump supporters:
The Trump movement is not singular within the United States (the Know Nothing movement in the 1850s, the Wallace movement in the 1960s, and the more recent Tea Party Movement). Moreover, other democracies have seen similar movements (e.g., Austria's Freedom Party, Belgium's Vlaams Blok, France's National Front, Germany's Alternative for Germany Party (AfD), and Britain's U.K. Independence Party (UKIP).
In virtually all these cases, the tinder especially involved male nativists and populists who were less educated than the general population. But this core was joined by other types of voters as well. Five highly interrelated characteristics stand out that are central to a social psychological analysis – authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, outgroup prejudice, the absence of intergroup contact and relative deprivation.No one factor describes Trump's supporters. But an array of factors – many of them reflecting five major social psychological phenomena can help to account for this extraordinary political event: authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, prejudice, relative deprivation, and intergroup contact.
(Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday December 07 2017, @02:58AM (18 children)
Fair enough.
Let's take the estate tax [cbpp.org]
So wealthy heirs benefit to the tune of $239B.
How about those who won't benefit [washingtonpost.com]?
Not about the farms only, you say, but other medium businesses [politifact.com]?
Bottom line - here's a tax break that affects only the rich:
- the wealthy benefit from it greatly ($239B),
- the medium businesses benefits in what "would amount to fifteen-hundredths of 1 percent of the total paid under the estate tax in 2017",
- the poor will not benefit at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday December 07 2017, @03:15AM (13 children)
Interesting. I'll grant you that since you saved me the research. Now a question: so what?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday December 07 2017, @03:37AM (7 children)
If you meant to ask "Now what?", then I'd say "Now you refrain in picturing the tax legislation as all nice and rosy (even if you'd be only tempted to allude this may be the case), and I won't have any more issues."
Perhaps you may want to continue looking into other tax breaks and evaluate the fairness towards the medium/poor end of the spectrum. Even if the information is for you only, it's still a plus. But this may be wishful thinking from my side.
(of course, you continue to be free to say whatever things you like, no matter how wise/clever or stupid, you don't need my permission to do that. But that's irrelevant, isn't it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday December 07 2017, @04:00AM (6 children)
No, I meant "so what?". As in "what business is it of yours how someone chooses to dispose of what they've earned?". Did you go in to the office for them and do their job but they got to keep the pay? By what logic do you think you have claim to what they've earned then? Whether they choose to leave it to their worthless, lazy children or to snort blow off hooker's asses and then use it to light their cigars, it's not a damned bit of your business.
Also, until you become a flat tax person, don't ever use the word "fairness" when talking about taxes again. It makes you look like an idiot.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 07 2017, @04:36AM
Then my "of course, you continue to be free to say whatever things you like, no matter how wise/clever or stupid" apply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Demena on Thursday December 07 2017, @05:31AM
It depends on the definition of "earnt". People can make vast amounts of money in ways that can hardly be described as "earnt". Businessmen are often said to "make money", few say they earn it. To me the use of the tern "earnt" implies sweat of some sort - mind or body. If an famous actor earnt the millions they can negotiate for then a fledgling would "earn" the same - same "work" being done.
Tl;dr "Having" money, "earning" money and "making" money are three different things with different economic and moral stature.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:50AM (2 children)
Not sure why TMB's sincere question got marked "troll". TMB asks: No, I meant "so what?". As in "what business is it of yours how someone chooses to dispose of what they've earned?". It's a fair question.
Y'all will know that I am pretty libertarian in my view. Nonetheless, I am all for an estate tax, preferably a large one. Why? Precisely because of that phrase "...what they've earned".
In my view, the increasing split between rich and poor is a serious problem for society. And a lot of that split comes from inherited wealth. Inherited wealth is unearned wealth. Anyone who can make themselves a billionaire - more power to them. Passing those billions down, generation to generation? That is a problem, because it creates the upper "1%" class in perpetuity. An estate tax at least puts some sort of a damper on this.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @07:24AM (1 child)
Whoa! The level of ignorance is very deep with this one. One: it is TMB. He has been proven wrong, and is trying to double down. Classical, if not very good, trolling. Second, earned? It is not their's! We gave it to them, and it is only their's as long as the majority of society recognizes it as their's. If we ask for some of it back, for the common good, well, it is no longer their's. This is the problem with libertariantards and Republican'ts and certain ex-pats: they think things can exist independently of the rest of reality. They think they are special and separate islands of sovereign citizenry! But separated from everything, what can one be but a giant sucking black hole of emptyness and property rights?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @07:29AM
FTFY
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 08 2017, @02:02AM
I don't get it.
In your mind, what's the relation between "Some tax breaks favors the rich" (which was the point of my post) with "None of your business how they choose to spend their earnt money?" (which is the point of your "So what? "question).
Moving goal posts or what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday December 07 2017, @05:17AM (4 children)
> Now a question: so what?
Fuck you, that's what. You lie. You say this thing isn't a giveaway to the rich, you are presented with a clear example of how it is, and when this is shown to you, caught in your lie, you attempt to pretend it doesn't matter with "so what." So fuck you. You lie exactly like all the shithead politicians whose boots you cream yourself licking, even as you make endless noises about how "libertarian" you are.
You're so full of shit your shoes squelch when you walk, and everyone here can see it. That you think you're fooling anyone but yourself is just the dingleberry cherry on top of the shit sundae that is your entire personality.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:47AM (2 children)
Insightful? Informative?
It's almost enough to make one weep for humanity.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @07:31AM (1 child)
Do not ask for whom humanity weeps, oh libertariantard AC, it weeps for you!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 08 2017, @08:43PM
Hell no I don't weep for him. I weep for the fact that he's not currently a fine paste under the wheels of some 18-wheeler somewhere maybe, but not for him specifically...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:07PM
Your rage posts really do make me feel better after reading through TMBs slog of shit.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by GreatOutdoors on Friday December 08 2017, @12:18AM (3 children)
So instead of actually researching the issue and giving a well thought out response yourself, you posted text word for word from a few libtardian websites that you hand picked? And you want us to take you seriously?
If you believe that $5.5m only affects the super rich, then you have obviously never owned a small business and likely have very little net worth. And on a final note, if I earned $20m dollars, what gives you the fucking right to take it from me just because I died? I already paid taxes on it, and it is mine. I'll leave it to whoever I please.
Yes, I did make a logical argument there. You should post a logical response.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 08 2017, @02:32AM (2 children)
Which is a bit more than you did.
And no, those site are not handpicked, they carry the relevant information. Feel free to present others.
Us? Just exactly who are those "us"?
Irrelevant for any argumentation on the topic.
As I'm not living (nor dying) in US, you can Rest In Peace (so to speak), I'm not gonna take a cent.
Let me end by wishing you a pleasant death experience when the time will come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @07:46AM (1 child)
I want his liver. His libertariantardian spawn can keep the filthy lucre. Oh, and I want the spleen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEi_4Cyx4Uw [youtube.com]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 08 2017, @09:20AM
You may need to pay estate tax if he wills them to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford