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posted by janrinok on Friday April 20 2018, @07:46PM   Printer-friendly
from the when-politics-runs-science dept.

Oklahoma Representative James Bridenstine, a Navy Reserve pilot, was confirmed as NASA's 13th administrator on Thursday.

In a 50-49 vote Thursday, Oklahoma Representative James Bridenstine, a Navy Reserve pilot, was confirmed as NASA's 13th administrator, an agency that usually is kept away from partisanship. His three predecessors — two nominated by Republicans — were all approved unanimously. Before that, one NASA chief served under three presidents, two Republicans and a Democrat.

The two days of voting were as tense as a launch countdown.

A procedural vote Wednesday initially ended in a 49-49 tie — Vice President Mike Pence, who normally breaks a tie, was at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida — before Arizona Republican Jeff Flake switched from opposition to support, using his vote as leverage to address an unrelated issue.

Thursday's vote included the drama of another delayed but approving vote by Flake, a last-minute no vote by Illinois Democrat Tammy Duckworth — who wheeled onto the floor with her 10-day-old baby in tow — and the possibility of a tie-breaker by Pence, who was back in town.


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  • (Score: 1) by Captival on Friday April 20 2018, @10:28PM (8 children)

    by Captival (6866) on Friday April 20 2018, @10:28PM (#669829)

    OH NO, YOU MEAN THEY MIGHT WANT LESS GOVERNMENT!?

    Gasp. This is incredibly shocking. How can we live our lives without massive bloated inefficient corrupt bureaucracies? It's the stuff of nightmares. Luckily you figured it all out and warned us before it went too far.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 20 2018, @10:48PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 20 2018, @10:48PM (#669836)

    > How can we live our lives without massive bloated inefficient corrupt bureaucracies?

    Ah, I see we have another commenter here without basic reading comprehension. I'll repeat that, but I'll try to use small words, so you understand me.

    First Reds make stuff bad. Then Reds complain stuff bad. Then Reds get rid of stuff. Then all else bad.

    Point is, of course stuff bad. They make it bad. Was not so bad before.

    • (Score: 1, Redundant) by khallow on Saturday April 21 2018, @04:21AM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 21 2018, @04:21AM (#669944) Journal

      First Reds make stuff bad. Then Reds complain stuff bad. Then Reds get rid of stuff. Then all else bad.

      There is an alternative narrative for that. Blues make shitty service because feelz. Because it's shitty, it doesn't work right. Blame reds. Go back to step one.

      I think the real problem is that most politicians on both sides half ass this stuff rather than do it right, because half assing gets you just as many votes with a lot less effort. I can't tell you how many times I've complained about a broken government program or blowback from a poorly thought out public good and the reply is some pathetic ad hominem along the lines of "So you hate poor people?" or "You're getting paid to say that!" So there are plenty of people out there for which half assing works. The box got checked: poor people helped or abusive government program targeted.

      But it seems to me that there's no point to complaining about how the other side does things, if you're not willing to fix what's broken.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 23 2018, @06:06PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 23 2018, @06:06PM (#670819)

        Yes, gov't is inefficient, but the alternatives have other problems. Letting people in a jam die is one approach. Obviously, dying is no fun. The private sector is usually more efficient, but also have an incentive to try to trick and trap consumers/users above making a better mouse-trap. The problem is that humans suck, not gov't specifically. Just be glad civilization mostly works: there's no guarantee it will keep working.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 24 2018, @04:12AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 24 2018, @04:12AM (#671030) Journal

          Yes, gov't is inefficient, but the alternatives have other problems.

          And I guess we shrug at this point and just continue believing whatever because inertia?

          The problem here isn't that humans and their things are imperfect, but rather that a bunch of people are completely ignoring rational sources of disagreement and then blaming dissenters when things don't work as perfectly as expected.

          But why aren't the advocates for these programs insuring that any interference isn't so destructive? The "reds" can't operate in a vacuum. They are successful only because they aren't strongly opposed. And why aren't the naysayers just killing the supposedly problematic programs outright? That's the half-assed efforts right there.

          Who really believes the people who have made the current political system such a slimy mess would make less of a mess, if they were even less supervised? Some accounting is just being sane. But what makes the current accounting so screwed up is that it keeps track of insignificant details like the disposition of screws and blows off huge details like how much the latest jet fighter costs.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday April 20 2018, @10:59PM (1 child)

    by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 20 2018, @10:59PM (#669839)

    To use the ever-popular car anology:

    Let's say you have a disagreement between you and your spouse over whether to get rid of an aging but functional car. You think it's a worthless piece of junk, your spouse thinks it is still useful.

    What I'm objecting to is the following tactic: You open up the hood, take a crowbar to the engine block, come back inside and say "Well, I guess it's beyond repair, we'll have to trade it in."

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 21 2018, @07:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 21 2018, @07:11AM (#669989)

      Trade-in == sell and keep 2/3 for you and 1/3 for the wife

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by edIII on Friday April 20 2018, @11:24PM (1 child)

    by edIII (791) on Friday April 20 2018, @11:24PM (#669848)

    The Republicans are responsible for the massive bloat and inefficiencies as much as the Democrats, but are just more fucking hypocritical and deluded.

    I'll give you welfare programs as an example. The actual assistance part of it was corrupt as fuck. Now I don't know if the private citizens that got paid for operating the beautician schools where Republican or not, but I sure as fuck know that anybody with two brain cells can figure out that 10,000 young girls trying to cut hair in a city that can only support 4,000 of them is fucking stupid on many levels, most poignantly economically.

    It's awfully hard to criticize some of these programs when they were corrupted from the start as a pork barrel project for Senators and their wealthy friends. If we were to actually audit all of our government spending for the last 100 years, you would find that a lot of that government money ended up in the hands of people close the politicians and the wealthy elite. Not only that, but that the projects had most of their cost being the profit for c-suites on up. Two million for the actual labor, two million for materials, and twenty million for the c-suites and share holders.

    When we laugh/cry about a hammer being two hundred fucking dollars, and being sold tenpenny nails for 10 dollars a piece, who is ending up with that money?

    Republicans can try to lie to us all they want. We've never had a properly operated social program to begin with, everything is horribly mismanaged, and nobody is looking over at the greedy fuckers in the corner that know our problems would go away if they just paid us more.

    Living wages reduce the load on social programs dramatically. In part because if the middle class is super strong, they also tend to not be like the avaricious sociopathic elites, but concerned for the welfare of the poor. Tithing, religious organizations, and just plain ol' hospitality and generosity can largely help alleviate the plight of the poor. When America is bereft of the strong union factory jobs that used to put food on the table, and savings in the bank, it's no surprise that we're all struggling to the extent that we can't adequately help each other. Hence, the all of the sudden need for massive social programs, UBI, etc.

    I would LOVE smaller government. Tighter, more efficient, more transparent, more effective, you name it. Let's just kill and gut every elite and politician out there, start paying ourselves living wages to create a strong middle class again. Government can get a lot smaller when we don't actually have a need for a larger government.

    Ultimately the problem is corrupt human beings. People so faulty by design that they should be put down Spartan style. It's the fact that the majority of us are incapable of dealing with the threat represented by having the sociopathic and deeply avaricious become the scourge of the c-suites, elites, and politicians that keeps us where we are. Our own good nature prevents us from expelling the evil abhorrent filth that the elites represent. We're unable to defend ourselves against it.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by captain normal on Saturday April 21 2018, @12:30AM

      by captain normal (2205) on Saturday April 21 2018, @12:30AM (#669861)

      "Let's just kill and gut every elite and politician out there"...How, if you don't kill off all their bosses, is that going to do any good Just yesterday, Randall Stephenson CEO of ATT pressured the Justice Department to allow it to swallow up Time Warner. ATT was broken up years ago for monopolistic and unfair business practices yet here is the giant zombie rising from the grave out to destroy all the good from years of somewhat real competition. Wonder just how much ATT has put out to politicians? Not only money, but also golf junkets, fishing trips etc?

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