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posted by LaminatorX on Monday February 17 2014, @02:17PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the If-you-can't-trust-spies,-who-can-you-trust? dept.

Submitter ticho writes:

"The latest Snowden revelation suggests that Australia's spies are committing economic espionage on Americans, for the benefit of the American government.

The NSA's espionage partners in Australia offered the U.S. intelligence agency surveillance information on an American law firm that was representing the Indonesian government in a trade case against the U.S., according to leaked documents from Edward Snowden's stash.

Read more here."

[Ed. Note] This is another long-denied open secret now documented. One can only wonder what we gve Australia in return. Here is the NY Times article referenced in the above article.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Eunuchswear on Monday February 17 2014, @02:23PM

    by Eunuchswear (525) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:23PM (#716) Journal

    Continuing tradition, eh!

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    • (Score: 1) by Wodan on Monday February 17 2014, @02:27PM

      by Wodan (517) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:27PM (#726)

      Now we just need first posts saying first post! and it'll be just like home

      • (Score: 1) by Nerdfest on Monday February 17 2014, @02:31PM

        by Nerdfest (80) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:31PM (#732)

        More appropriately, non-first posts saying first post.

    • (Score: 1) by umafuckitt on Monday February 17 2014, @02:29PM

      by umafuckitt (20) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:29PM (#729)

      I think you mean "second dupe" :)

      • (Score: 1) by githaron on Monday February 17 2014, @03:41PM

        by githaron (581) on Monday February 17 2014, @03:41PM (#783)

        We have a dupe of a dupe?

    • (Score: 1) by mattie_p on Monday February 17 2014, @03:36PM

      by mattie_p (13) on Monday February 17 2014, @03:36PM (#777) Journal

      Difference is that here someone is able to remove them. Thanks for being patient!

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by linsane on Monday February 17 2014, @03:53PM

        by linsane (633) on Monday February 17 2014, @03:53PM (#788)

        And merge the comments from both? Now that would be neat...

        • (Score: 1) by mattie_p on Monday February 17 2014, @03:57PM

          by mattie_p (13) on Monday February 17 2014, @03:57PM (#791) Journal

          With only three comments (2 in one story, 1 in the third) I didn't feel the extra effort was necessary. Besides, those comments were Dupes themselves.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by pillo on Monday February 17 2014, @02:24PM

    by pillo (93) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:24PM (#718)

    Wow, first day online and we're already BETTER than the original! ;-)

    • (Score: 1) by mmcmonster on Monday February 17 2014, @02:54PM

      by mmcmonster (401) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:54PM (#748)

      Hopefully with the need for two editors to sign off on an article, this will happen less frequently in the future.

      Actually, since these are identical articles, it's more likely the editor hit 'publish' three times instead of waiting for the first time to push through to the live site.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by LaminatorX on Monday February 17 2014, @02:28PM

    by LaminatorX (14) <laminatorxNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday February 17 2014, @02:28PM (#728)

    I apologize for the multiple post everyone. There were some weird errors as I was attempting to post it, but it seems to actually have been working.

    First Dupe!

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by TrumpetPower! on Monday February 17 2014, @02:38PM

      by TrumpetPower! (590) <ben@trumpetpower.com> on Monday February 17 2014, @02:38PM (#738) Homepage

      I just noticed -- there actually was a glitch. The headline reads, "Posted by on..." with the username of the poster omitted. Hope that helps point to whatever went awry....

      b&

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:12PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:12PM (#845)

        The submitter's handle is actually a single nonbreaking space character. Pretty cool, huh?

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by linsane on Monday February 17 2014, @02:40PM

      by linsane (633) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:40PM (#740)

      At least you can blame it on sleep deprivation / many many well deserved beers?!

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @02:43PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @02:43PM (#742)

      1. Publish dupes.
      2. Apologize for publishing dupes.
      3. ???
      4. Karma profit!

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by gundul on Monday February 17 2014, @02:54PM

      by gundul (388) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:54PM (#749)

      is this site Beta? ;P

      • (Score: 1) by Nerdfest on Monday February 17 2014, @03:32PM

        by Nerdfest (80) on Monday February 17 2014, @03:32PM (#772)

        Don't let the usability improvement of the beta at that other site confuse you; this site is alpha.

    • (Score: 1) by aaaa on Monday February 17 2014, @03:31PM

      by aaaa (691) on Monday February 17 2014, @03:31PM (#771)

      No no, you misunderstand. It's great! Feels like home

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by TrumpetPower! on Monday February 17 2014, @02:35PM

    by TrumpetPower! (590) <ben@trumpetpower.com> on Monday February 17 2014, @02:35PM (#737) Homepage

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  • (Score: 1) by VLM on Monday February 17 2014, @02:39PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 17 2014, @02:39PM (#739)

    According to Crocodile Dundee, Austria or Australia or WTF it is, has had better intel gathering capabilities for 30 years now, so its no great surprise they're still giving us intel in 2014.

    "Neville Bell: Oh no, you can't take my photograph.

    Sue Charlton: Oh, I'm sorry, you believe it will take your spirit away.

    Neville Bell: No, you got lens-cap on it."

    (note to kids, people used to take selfies and stuff with cameras, not phones, and most real cameras had a lens cap to protect the optics so the pix wouldn't turn out as awful as a modern selfie)

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Popeidol on Monday February 17 2014, @02:51PM

    by Popeidol (35) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:51PM (#746) Journal

    I'm very interested to see what this leads to. Late last year, it was revealed that Australia had tapped the phones of the Indonesian president. This led to a fairly major incident - some joint ventures were canceled outright, some were delayed, and the Indonesian ambassador was recalled from Australia. Our relations with them have not recovered completely, despite a personal written apology from the Australian prime minister. Local sentiment seems to be that this is a personal insult from Australia. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-n ews/indonesia-recalls-ambassador-to-australia-over -phone-tapping-20131118-2xrfw.html [smh.com.au]

    I do not think the Indonesian government will take it lightly, and I support them: For a long time, our politicians have treated the countries surrounding us fairly roughly, while reserving their respect and admiration for the US and UK. If it takes an international incident like this to remind them that a powerful neighbor can only be pushed so far, Then I guess this is how they'll learn.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by romanr on Monday February 17 2014, @04:54PM

      by romanr (102) on Monday February 17 2014, @04:54PM (#830)

      Funny thing is that every government looks terribly outraged by the fact that intelligence agencies are spying and gathering information on them, but in my opinion, if they had the resources, they would do exactly the same (or maybe they are doing it already).

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by edIII on Monday February 17 2014, @05:59PM

      by edIII (791) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 17 2014, @05:59PM (#900)

      I don't understand why this isn't causing a huge uproar right now in the US.

      It's one thing to be spying on the plebes who cannot defend themselves, and let's face it, most often are so blissfully ignorant with their banal distractions, but this is a law firm.

      Attorney client privilege and work product is supposed to mean something, and in cases like this does affect big business. This is espionage performed by the US government.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Dale on Monday February 17 2014, @02:56PM

    by Dale (539) on Monday February 17 2014, @02:56PM (#750)

    It is sad that the government is completely willing to subvert the spirit of the law by doing the "we can't collect it, but we can help you collect it and you can then hand it to us" game.

    • (Score: 1) by internetguy on Monday February 17 2014, @05:53PM

      by internetguy (235) on Monday February 17 2014, @05:53PM (#892)

      Doesn't asking someone to collect information on your behalf still fall under the definition of "collecting"?

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      • (Score: 1) by Dale on Tuesday February 18 2014, @05:01AM

        by Dale (539) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @05:01AM (#1409)

        Those funny rules things don't apply to the overlords for some reasons.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @03:10PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @03:10PM (#760)

    Just came here to say I'm converted from slashdot

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @03:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @03:37PM (#778)
      Cool story bro.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:06PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:06PM (#837)

        No.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:54PM (#895)

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    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:29PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 17 2014, @05:29PM (#867)

      Former Slashdot(RIP) user here too...
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      • (Score: 1) by cubancigar11 on Monday February 17 2014, @08:11PM

        by cubancigar11 (330) on Monday February 17 2014, @08:11PM (#1024) Homepage Journal

        To the powers that be, can we add this into the original website? Some testing on mobile version will be required, I suppose.

  • (Score: 1) by Azmodan on Monday February 17 2014, @03:39PM

    by Azmodan (463) on Monday February 17 2014, @03:39PM (#781)

    "what we **gve** Australia in return" :)

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Monday February 17 2014, @08:09PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 17 2014, @08:09PM (#1019) Journal

    So, all the 5 Eyes are using each other to do an end-run around the Constitution (and their analogues in the other Eyes) and national laws. For me, this reveals a much larger problem than simply tearing down Washington DC and starting over. Instead, we need a global solution, or at least, a transnational one. Now that we've all had a year to absorb what Snowden has revealed, it's time to begin taking drastic measures to put things aright.

    First, in America, an Article 5 national convention called for by 2/3rd's of the state legislatures to cut DC out of the loop is a great start. DC, K Street, and Wall Street can have no part in the conversation. The Constitution 2.0 must permanently separate wealth from politics. Publicly funded elections, Non-partisan redistricting, revoking corporate personhood, and similar measures that have been talked about for decades must be realized. Personally, I would also like to see measures taken to keep sociopaths out of office, but I realize that's more difficult to accomplish than the aforementioned.

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  • (Score: 1) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Monday February 17 2014, @09:53PM

    by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <{axehandle} {at} {gmail.com}> on Monday February 17 2014, @09:53PM (#1110)

    One can only wonder what we gve Australia in return.

    Most prbably you prmise not to gve us mre dmocracy.

    :)

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