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posted by cmn32480 on Monday January 25 2016, @11:15AM   Printer-friendly
from the why-can't-they-ever-learn dept.

Following a recent attempt in New York to legislate backdoors or ban encrypted devices, a California lawmaker is trying to do the same. Only this time, the boogeyman is human trafficking:

A second state lawmaker has now introduced a bill that would prohibit the sale of smartphones with unbreakable encryption. Except this time, despite very similar language to a pending New York bill, the stated rationale is to fight human trafficking, rather than terrorism.

Specifically, California Assemblymember Jim Cooper's (D-Elk Grove) new bill, which was introduced Wednesday, would "require a smartphone that is manufactured on or after January 1, 2017, and sold in California, to be capable of being decrypted and unlocked by its manufacturer or its operating system provider."

If the bill passes both the Assembly and State Senate and is signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown (D), it would affect modern iOS and Android devices, which enable full-disk encryption that neither Apple nor Google can access. AB 1681's language is nearly identical to another bill re-introduced in New York state earlier this month, but Cooper denied that it was based on any model legislation, saying simply that it was researched by his staff. He also noted that the sale of his own iPhone would be made illegal in California under this bill.

Cooper himself, a 30 year veteran with the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department, told Ars that allowing local law enforcement to access unencrypted phones through the warrant process was not the same thing as allowing the National Security Agency or the CIA free rein. He also noted that "99 percent" of Californians would never have their phones be implicated in a law enforcement operation, implying that they should not have to worry.

Engadget puts it best: "The bill would put every Californian's digital security at risk to prosecute a few pimps."

In other Crypto War news, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers recently said that "encryption is foundational to the future," staking an opposite position from that of FBI Director James Comey.


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New York is Trying to Force Backdoors Into Phones With Legislation 46 comments

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/221230-new-york-bill-would-ban-strong-encryption-mandate-backdoors-in-all-devices

Over the last few months, we’ve seen a stream of anti-encryption rhetoric from various voices in New York State. Now, a formal bill has been put before the New York State Assembly, which would mandate that Apple, Google, Microsoft, and any other phone vendor create backdoor devices that would allow them to decrypt devices. The actual text of the bill reads:

Any smartphone that is manufactured on or before January 1, 2016, and sold or leased in New York, shall be capable of being decrypted and unlocked by its manufacturer or its operating system provider. (Reformatted from original to remove caps lock)

While the bill was introduced last summer (hence the “2016” label), it’s recently been sent to committee for polishing, where the 2016 date would presumably be changed to 2017 or 2018. Either way, the justification for the bill, is pretty much what you’d expect. Because some criminals may use smartphones some of the time, Google and Apple are “announcing to criminals, ‘use this device.'” The summary notes continue: “The safety of the citizenry calls for a legislative solution, and a solution is easily at hand. Enacting this bill would penalize those who would sell smart-phones that are beyond the reach of law enforcement.” This is the second time the bill has been sent to committee, and there’s currently no vote scheduled — but political bills like this are a stark reminder of how determined certain areas of government are to prevent citizens from using encryption tools and securing their own hardware. In and of itself, the main effect of New York’s bill would be to send NYS citizens scurrying to find Apple stores in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

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Senator McCain Calls for End-to-End Encryption Ban 74 comments

The Crypto War continues with U.S. Senator from Arizona John McCain calling for a ban on any encryption that can't be decrypted by government request:

McCain called for new legislation that would not regulate a backdoor into technology services, but instead would prevent companies from adopting end-to-end encryption. Companies would have to always keep the key that would decrypt the users' data anytime the government requests it.

This could stifle some innovations, not just in messaging platforms, but also in industries such as healthcare, where new technologies have appeared that would either allow patients to be the only ones that can decrypt their medical records, or it would allow companies to encrypt the data in a way that they could still use the data in aggregate, but they wouldn't be able to look at individual records.

Such systems could ensure that the data is essentially unhackable. This type of technology could prevent many of the large data breaches we've seen over the past two years, where hundreds of millions of people had their information stolen.

Senator McCain dismissed this as a concern, and actually seems to believe that such encryption is harmful to security, not helpful:

"We have to encourage companies and individuals who rely on encryption to recognize that our security is threatened, not encouraged, by technologies that place vital information outside the reach of law enforcement. Developing technologies that aid terrorists like Islamic State is not only harmful to our security, but it is ultimately an unwise business model."

The Senator didn't explain why exactly strong encryption would be an "unwise" business model for companies. So far, strong encryption seems to have worked quite well for companies such as Apple, who have pushed forward on the technology despite calls from FBI's chief, James Comey, to remove that type of encryption from iPhones and iPads.

Senator McCain also warned that we shouldn't allow "safe spaces" for terrorists online. This is a message that has also been mirrored by Comey, as well as the UK's Home Secretary, Theresa May, who has been promoting the Investigatory Powers bill that tries to force companies to "remove encryption" when asked by the government.

Previously:
California Lawmaker Tries Hand at Banning Encryption
Theresa May's Internet Spy Powers Bill 'Confusing', Say MPs


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Apple Speaks Out Against Australian Anti-Encryption Law; Police Advised Not to Trigger Face ID 31 comments

Apple argues stronger encryption will thwart criminals in letter to Australian government

Apple has long been a proponent for strong on-device encryption, most notably for its iPhones and the iOS operating system. This has often frustrated law enforcement agencies both in the US and overseas, many of which claim the company's encryption tools and policies are letting criminals avoid capture by masking communications and securing data from the hands of investigators.

Now, in a letter to the Australian government, Apple says it thinks encryption is in fact a benefit and public good that will only strength our protections against cyberattacks and terrorism. In Apple's eyes, encryption makes everyone's devices harder to hack and less vulnerable to take-overs, viruses, and other malicious attacks that could undermine personal and corporate security, as well as public infrastructure and services. Apple is specifically responding to the Australian Parliament's Assistance and Access Bill, which was introduced late last month and is designed to help the government more easily access the devices and data of criminals during active investigations.

Letter here (#53), or at Scribd and DocumentCloud.

Also at Ars Technica, Engadget, 9to5Mac, and AppleInsider.

Police told to avoid looking at recent iPhones to avoid lockouts

Police have yet to completely wrap their heads around modern iPhones like the X and XS, and that's clearer than ever thanks to a leak. Motherboard has obtained a presentation slide from forensics company Elcomsoft telling law enforcement to avoid looking at iPhones with Face ID. If they gaze at it too many times (five), the company said, they risk being locked out much like Apple's Craig Federighi was during the iPhone X launch event. They'd then have to enter a passcode that they likely can't obtain under the US Constitution's Fifth Amendment, which protects suspects from having to provide self-incriminating testimony.

Also at 9to5Mac.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:24AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:24AM (#294285)

    Who's bribing these crooks?

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:17PM (#294302)

      Nobody is bribing them. They feel that government & law enforcement - local, county, state and federal - should always be able to take any right or liberty from individuals at any time for any reason. This is their mindset; that they are always smarter than the constituents they intend to oppress. They are in office to gain a financial advantage and to force their will upon everyone else.

      Of course, they will probably sneak a provision into their bill that exempts lawmakers, their staffs, and all of law enforcement (the same group that is always in the news for lying and hiding evidence about their own wrongdoings).

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @02:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @02:58PM (#294350)

        No you moron, they don't want law enforcement to be at a disadvantage to the criminals. You can argue all you want about whether that is rational, or smart, or whatever, but dipshits like you who always bend this into a shrill "oppressive government wants to control you" whine is the reason this stuff gets as far as it does. You sound like an alarmist dolt, probably because you are one, and it is easy to ignore your concerns. Here you have a lawmaker or police officer who goes after bad people and they see a wealth of potential information available with a cell phone, and they can easily imagine scenarios where they would be able to find the missing, pretty white girl if it weren't for the phone being encrypted. From where they sit, they see the crime numbers, they worry about hidden terrorists and sex trafficers and all sorts of other things that they get held accountable for. Now here come idiots like you who start screaming at them that all their only goal is to oppress The People and gain Mighty Power. If I were them, I'd say "fuck you" too and ignore you. You would have much better success if you actually explain the ramifications of these policies to them and the public instead of simply spewing all the shit that you do because, quite frankly, the general public is going to ignore you too from both your demeanor and your accusations. The fact that your comment is up-modded, particularly with "Insightful" is pretty sad because there is nothing "Insightful" about what you say.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @03:50PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @03:50PM (#294391)

          No you moron, they don't want law enforcement to be at a disadvantage to the criminals. You can argue all you want about whether that is rational, or smart, or whatever, but dipshits like you who always bend this into a shrill "oppressive government wants to control you" whine is the reason this stuff gets as far as it does.

          How do either of you know what they want? I cannot know with certainty what these people in power are truly after as I cannot read minds, but either way, their actions will conveniently result in them having much more power, result in the reduction of fundamental liberties, and result in the violation of the constitution. Even if their intentions are actually noble, they are still dangerous and evil.

          You sound like an alarmist dolt

          I disagree. All the government of abuses of power throughout history show that there is no reason to trust the government with such massive power in the first place, and many good reasons to distrust it. However, since the general might be ignorant of this or think it magically doesn't apply to our government as it is now, I'm not sure if bringing up history is necessarily a powerful strategy.

          and it is easy to ignore your concerns.

          People who dismiss the argument itself merely because it sounds alarmist surely must also be doing the same thing with the government that constantly uses fear to grab more power (whether intentional or not), right? Surely they are not inconsistent morons.

          From where they sit, they see the crime numbers, they worry about hidden terrorists and sex trafficers and all sorts of other things that they get held accountable for.

          Again, I'm not sure how you know what they feel. Or do you just trust what they say? Very foolish, if so. There is a possibility that they actually worry about such things, but also a very strong possibility that they are simply using it as an excuse to grab more power. You are too naive, but playing the perceived 'reasonable man' seems to be more important to you than actually being correct or considering all the possibilities.

          If I were them, I'd say "fuck you" too and ignore you.

          Then you're an idiot. But you're an idiot with a point. You have to be very careful when you actually deal with the ignorant majority, as logical fallacies and distractions fool them easily.

          But posting on SoylentNews is not an example of dealing with the general public. I wonder how you know that the one you replied to uses the same tactics when out in public as he does here, if he's even an activist at all.

          The fact that your comment is up-modded, particularly with "Insightful" is pretty sad because there is nothing "Insightful" about what you say.

          And playing the arrogant One True Reasonable Man is insightful? Please. It's getting old.

        • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday January 26 2016, @04:08PM

          by urza9814 (3954) on Tuesday January 26 2016, @04:08PM (#294940) Journal

          No you moron, they don't want law enforcement to be at a disadvantage to the criminals.

          Please explain how preventing me from protecting myself from the criminals gives the criminals a disadvantage...

          The only thing these sorts of laws would accomplish is a massive outbreak of identity theft.

      • (Score: 2) by gnuman on Monday January 25 2016, @07:23PM

        by gnuman (5013) on Monday January 25 2016, @07:23PM (#294538)

        They feel that government & law enforcement - local, county, state and federal - should always be able to take any right or liberty from individuals at any time for any reason.

        They can arrest someone and take their phone and require them to decrypt it via court order. And if the detainee fails to do that, they can be detained until they do. But apparently that's not enough now? Sounds like police state is getting more real every day.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @09:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @09:04PM (#294581)

          require them to decrypt it via court order

          In Britain, yes. In the USA, not yet, because of the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:34AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:34AM (#294288)

    Slashdot doesn't use encryption. Why should Soylent be special? Soylent News......is paranoid!

    News flash, boys. Everybody knows about your torrents.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:40AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:40AM (#294290)

      I suppose you also use megaphone when talking in public and conduct all your private conversations with friends and family as loud as your lungs will let you.

      Also, that setup I'm sure you have that pipes all the sound from your house out to the street must be marvelous.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:43AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:43AM (#294291)

        I suppose you also use megaphone when talking in public and conduct all your private conversations with friends and family as loud as your lungs will let you.

        YES I HAVE NO INDOOR VOICE

        Also, that setup I'm sure you have that pipes all the sound from your house out to the street must be marvelous.

        I LEAVE MY WINDOWS OPEN ALL THE TIME TOO

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:53AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @11:53AM (#294296)

          Hey, I didn't know my 4-year-old nephew was on SN

          • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:05PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:05PM (#294300)

            We attract a very special variety of troll at SN. Bored, lame, and probably autistic.

            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:15PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:15PM (#294301)

              I'M SPECIAL JUST LIKE LOUD HOWARD

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:21PM (#294303)

      "Good fences make good neighbors", Robert Frost.
      "Love thy neighbor, yet don't pull down your hedge", Benjamin Franklin.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday January 25 2016, @12:22PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday January 25 2016, @12:22PM (#294305) Journal

      It's not about torrents, it's about device encryption. They want cops to be able to seize your phone and look at the contents without a warrant. Or even look at the contents successfully with a warrant.

      http://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-cell-phones-protected-from-warrantless-searches/ [cnet.com]
      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/10/victory-california-gov-brown-signs-calecpa-requiring-police-get-warrant-accessing [eff.org]

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:03PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:03PM (#294299)

    Oh, the KaliFornicators will get it passed. Those assholes are so afraid of not being regulated, legislated and taxed that they'll slobber all over any chance to be further enslaved by their government masters. They're a testing ground for stripping away American liberty and Freedom.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @05:10PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @05:10PM (#294464)

      Let them pass it! I'll continue to encrypt my facebook posts while I rip the tags off of my mattress that is stuffed with substances known to the state of kalifornia to cause cancer if fed in huge quantities to gerbils. I'll drive my cancered up gerbils in my '68 non-CARB compliant vw beetle, spewing nasty carbons into the air and laugh at their silly rules.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:21PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:21PM (#294304)

    It would be lovely if Apple were to say, OK, so iPhone cannot be sold in California and New York, because those states have stupid lawmakers.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Monday January 25 2016, @12:26PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday January 25 2016, @12:26PM (#294308) Journal

      Together they comprise over 18% of the U.S. population [wikipedia.org].

      These two states don't have a monopoly on stupid lawmakers. Other states will be watching these outcomes closely and introducing their own legislation.

      Apple is not a fan of your privacy. If privacy can help them market their encrypted phones, then privacy is good. If privacy is banned, so be it.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by opinionated_science on Monday January 25 2016, @01:53PM

        by opinionated_science (4031) on Monday January 25 2016, @01:53PM (#294326)

        the UK introduced a "Tell us your password or you'll rot in jail" law. Here in the US, hasn't the SC already ruled, they cannot compel your password (5th amdt).

        I suspect that backdoors with a warrant will be the flag carrying to get past the 4th amendment.

        Fortunately, for us all, the PGP code was already ruled protected by the 1st amendment, so I suspect these laws will not last long.

        Am I too optimistic?

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Monday January 25 2016, @02:02PM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday January 25 2016, @02:02PM (#294329) Journal

          The issue is not fully tested:

          http://www.uclalawreview.org/the-fifth-amendment-encryption-and-the-forgotten-state-interest/ [uclalawreview.org]

          http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/forcing-suspects-to-reveal-phone-passwords-is-unconstitutional-court-says/ [arstechnica.com]

          Without this capability, the authorities are trying to get suspects to cough up their passwords instead. The Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of the issue. There's been a smattering of varying court rulings nationwide on the topic. In 2012, a federal appeals court said that forcing a child-porn suspect to decrypt password-protected hard drives would amount to a Fifth Amendment violation.

          In the latest case, the SEC is investigating two former Capital One data analysts who allegedly used insider information associated with their jobs to trade stocks—in this case, a $150,000 investment allegedly turned into $2.8 million. Regulators suspect the mobile devices are holding evidence of insider trading and demanded that the two turn over their passcodes.

          The defendants balked at supplying their passcodes, saying the Fifth Amendment protected them. The judge agreed and said that the government was going on a fishing expedition

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          • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 25 2016, @02:38PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 25 2016, @02:38PM (#294340) Journal

            First link, sixth paragraph. That dude is twisting logic beyond recognition. A password cannot be considered either a key, or a combination? It most certainly is a combination, in that it resides in your head, and nowhere else. Forcing it out of your head requires torture, or some equally compelling coercion. A physical key, on the other hand, only require physical access - that is, if you're arrested, the cops can search you, and take the keys. An encryption key, on the other hand, can only be found inside of your head, unless you have committed it to paper, in which case, you're screwed. More likely, that encryption key has been saved to a flash drive, in which case, if it is on your person, you're screwed again. If it is well hidden, then maybe you're screwed, and maybe you are not.

            The whole rationale around the state's ability to access an encrypted volume is entirely beside the point. Balancing the state's "needs" with the individual's RIGHTS is a meaningless exercise. The entirety of the Constitution of the United States is concerned with limiting the power of government, not empowering government.

            But, let's consider that "balancing" nonsense for a moment. The state can lock it's secrets away in musty old buildings, encrypted, on servers behind locks, and guarded by armed guards. The private citizen? Probably can't afford the armed guards, may or may not have a decent lock and key, but he can most certainly afford good encryption. Balance? Well, if the state pays for the citizen to buy the very best locks and vaults and armed guards, then we might have "balance".

            Let us remember, that just like police interactions, every single interaction of a prosecuter, detective, or investigator with a private citizen is an ANTAGONISTIC interactin. Cops don't waste their time stopping you to wish you a happy birthday, or some other such nonsense. When any of those aforementioned people barges into your life, they intend to imprison you, if possible. There is no "balance" between citizen and state. Be paranoid - they are out to get you. And, the constitution limits their power to get you.

            He goes on to blather about the "doctrine" of the fifth amendment, stating that the 5th only applies when three conditions are met. More bullshit. Bottom line is, government can only get information out of your head by means of coercion. Government is forbidden to coerce testimony from you, end of story. If government is so very desparate to gain whatever information is hidden away in your encrypted volume, they can offer IMMUNITY from prosecution. Or - they might instead do some actual investigative work. Imagine - police actually solved crimes long before there were computers. Perhaps police weren't as reliable as we might wish, but they did solve crimes with old fashioned detective work.

            Balance. Tell the state's prosecutors to take a hike. Unless they live in Dick Cheneystan, torture and other forms of coercion are not permitted.

            • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday January 25 2016, @02:48PM

              by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday January 25 2016, @02:48PM (#294343) Journal

              The Supreme Court doesn't always do what is "right". It is divided politically and by interpretation of the law and Constitution. I would not be surprised if 1st, 4th, and 5th amendment protections for encryption are struck down by the Court. It will (could) be like "oh, it's not really speech, law enforcement has a warrant, and you're not being forced to incriminate yourself." And then another freedom will be dead.

              If Crypto War II is lost, many people will continue to use encryption in various ways. You'll just have to evaluate whether it is worth it to resist law enforcement if you should be so unlucky to cross paths with them.

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    • (Score: 2) by Entropy on Monday January 25 2016, @03:53PM

      by Entropy (4228) on Monday January 25 2016, @03:53PM (#294394)

      Same with car engines, to avoid stupid CA emissions that screws up everything else.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:27PM (#294309)

    The Dumb... it hurts, it hurts! Make It Stop!

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 25 2016, @12:38PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 25 2016, @12:38PM (#294312) Journal

    Buy a phone in Cal without encryption. Install encryption. End result, no one reads the crap on your phone unless you wimp out while they are breaking your knees.

    Alternative plan - you can't buy an encrypted phone in Cal, so you drive to Vegas for the weekend, and purchase your encrypted phone there. Once again, no one reads your messages, unless you wimp out.

    FFS people, you have two knees, don't you?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Monday January 25 2016, @12:44PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday January 25 2016, @12:44PM (#294313) Journal

      Reading the contents isn't the only motive. It could also allow law enforcement to tack on an extra charge when they try to throw the book at you.

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      • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday January 26 2016, @04:59PM

        by urza9814 (3954) on Tuesday January 26 2016, @04:59PM (#294954) Journal

        Reading the contents isn't the only motive. It could also allow law enforcement to tack on an extra charge when they try to throw the book at you.

        For what? It's only illegal to sell them with encryption enabled. If the user chooses to modify it later, that's perfectly legal even if they do so from within California. All the phone manufacturers really need to do is change the encryption functionality from a checkbox in the settings menu to an app downloaded from the app store. So an unmodified phone, they can always decrypt. It's not their problem if you choose to modify that phone, the law doesn't say you can't, and it also doesn't say they can't help you do it.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @12:58PM (#294317)

    Criminals might hide behind them.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday January 25 2016, @02:08PM

    Freedom isn't safe. Creating a society where order and subservience to authority (whether that authority be governmental, religious, familial or firepower) leads to a less free/liberal society.

    This isn't a partisan issue, it's one of liberty vs. order. I, for one, prefer liberty. That includes the liberty to live my life without worrying about law "enforcement" or other bad actors trampling on my privacy.

    That includes strong encryption and the ability to tell some McCarthy [wikipedia.org] wannabe to go pound sand, if and when they want to root around in my private life.

    Is it possible, even likely, that this approach will allow bad actors to hide their misdeeds from the evil gub'mint? Yes.

    Is it possible, even likely, that this approach will result in the success of those same bad actors in carrying out their misdeeds? Yes.

    Is the derogation of the ideals of liberty worth the small advantage provided by acting on such authoritarian impulses? No.

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  • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Monday January 25 2016, @04:05PM

    by darkfeline (1030) on Monday January 25 2016, @04:05PM (#294404) Homepage

    I didn't know California had a human trafficking problem. If you want to stop pimps, legalize (and regulate) prostitution.

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    • (Score: 2) by mendax on Monday January 25 2016, @08:05PM

      by mendax (2840) on Monday January 25 2016, @08:05PM (#294551)

      Oh, there is, but it's not any different than human trafficking elsewhere. It's called prostitution, most of which is controlled by pimps. A few years ago another well thought out proposition made human trafficking a sex offense, in blatant disregard of the purpose (or lack thereof) of sex offender registries, with the idea that somehow making the penalty that much worse would actually stop it.

      Ironically, and this is interesting in relation to this discussion, that same proposition also included a provision that required all sex offenders to essentially reveal to the police their Internet logins along with the e-mail address. Understandably, that provision was killed [latimes.com] in court a couple years ago. People do have the right to anonymity, even when it concerns people who have committed a crime. Thus, it follows that people should be able to scramble their phones. After all, many if not most people have a legitimate reason for doing so.

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  • (Score: 2) by Bobs on Monday January 25 2016, @07:56PM

    by Bobs (1462) on Monday January 25 2016, @07:56PM (#294549)

    FYI: This bill is dead on arrival.

    In CALIFORNIA the tech lobby will never allow this to pass.

    The schmuck who introduced this stupid bill is either a moron (there are many is State legislatures) and/or he or someone else will be using this as an excuse to shake down the tech industry for contributions to kill the bill.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @09:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @09:55PM (#294622)

      He'll be in the good graces of where it counts, though, and will have demonstrated that he's "tough on crime". It could be that such notes are later used to look the other way when certain evidence of wrongdoing comes up.

      Wasn't it the tea party that created a searchable database of all that opposed them, and sought to deny government jobs to people that signed petitions and voted for issues that they did not like?

      We know the powers that be are good at databases; we know that some political groups are not above taking names and punishing people long after the single issue was a memory.

      This is a case about data retention, we can presume no one will forget, and he'll go on the record as being a good citizen.