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posted by cmn32480 on Saturday July 16 2016, @05:21AM   Printer-friendly
from the dept-line-redacted dept.

The long-secret 28-29 pages of the 9/11 Commission's report have been released by the U.S. House Intelligence Committee, albeit in a redacted form:

"According to various FBI documents and CIA memorandum, some of the September 11 hijackers, while in the United States, apparently had contacts with individuals who may be connected to the Saudi Government," the report said, giving a catalog of alleged links.

They included reported contacts between Saudis in California and a statement that a man who was reportedly a Saudi Interior Ministry official stayed at the same Virginia hotel as one hijacker in September 2001.

Another section said that Omar al-Bayoumi, said to be a Saudi intelligence officer, met with two hijackers at a public place after they arrived in San Diego. It said, citing FBI files, that his salary rose to $3,700 a month from $465 two months after two of the hijackers arrived in California.

One page described how two of the hijackers asked flight attendants technical questions during a trip in 1999 from Phoenix to Washington to attend a party at the Saudi embassy. One tried twice to enter the cockpit. The plane made an emergency landing and the FBI investigated, but did not prosecute.

Here are the documents, available at Cryptome or House.gov. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence says that the release of the documents is not an indication that the intelligence community agrees with their accuracy. Apparently, many of the leads mentioned have been investigated by the FBI and found to have no basis in fact.

So, SoylentNews readers, did the Saudis do 9/11?


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Ahead of the US president's visit to Saudi Arabia, a series of multi-billion-dollar arms deals have been outlined. The previous US administration suspended some supplies because of human rights concerns.

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When President Trump arrives in Riyadh this week, he will lay out his vision for a new regional security architecture White House officials call an “Arab NATO,” to guide the fight against terrorism and push back against Iran. As a cornerstone of the plan, Trump will also announce one of the largest arms-sales deals in history.

Behind the scenes, the Trump administration and Saudi Arabia have been conducting extensive negotiations, led by White House senior adviser Jared Kushner and Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. The discussions began shortly after the presidential election, when Mohammed, known in Washington as “MBS,” sent a delegation to meet with Kushner and other Trump officials at Trump Tower.

After years of disillusionment with the Obama administration, the Saudi leadership was eager to do business. “They were willing to make a bet on Trump and on America,” a senior White House official said.

[...] The most concrete part of the idea is a mammoth U.S. arms package for Saudi Arabia that Trump will also announce in Riyadh. Final details are still being worked out, but officials said the package will include between $98 billion and $128 billion in arms sales. Over 10 years, total sales could reach $350 billion.

The sales include huge upgrades for the Saudi army and navy to include Littoral Combat Ships, THAAD missile defense systems, armored personnel carriers, missiles, bombs and munitions, officials said. Some of the production and assembly could be located in Saudi Arabia, boosting MBS’s project to build a Saudi domestic defense industrial capability. But most of the items would be built by American defense contractors.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @05:38AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @05:38AM (#375276)

    It was the jews

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by driverless on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:29AM

      by driverless (4770) on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:29AM (#375291)

      So, SoylentNews readers, did the Saudis do 9/11?

      Everyone knows Saddam did it. That's why we invaded Iraq and restored democracy there, after all.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @11:48AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @11:48AM (#375326)

        How we haven't invaded Saudi Arabia and restored (or rather 'instated') democracy there too.

        Fucking terrorist country with all of Islam's major religious landmarks funding a rather suspicious and high profile (before 9/11) group of terrorists to be as they do all sorts of stupid shit around the US that should've been enough for enhanced interrogation, but somehow wasn't, and then blow shit up leading to the Dark Ages of America. All y'know while the presidents cronies and family are buddy buddy with the shitheads who probably helped finance it happening.

  • (Score: 4, Flamebait) by Gravis on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:32AM

    by Gravis (4596) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:32AM (#375284)

    did the Saudis do 9/11?

    no way, everyone knows it was an inside job... by the jews to distract everyone while they falsified data which created the elaborate hoax that is climate change! (≧∇≦)/
    #WeKnowTheTruth #JFKNeverDied #ElvisIsAnExtraterestial #MoonLandingWasFakedOnTheMoon

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:26AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:26AM (#375297)

      #MoonLandingWasFakedOnTheMoon

      That's silly and you should be ashamed of yourself.

      #MoonLandingWasFakedInAFilmStudioOnMars

    • (Score: 1) by Type44Q on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:45AM

      by Type44Q (4347) on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:45AM (#375299)

      MoonLandingWasFakedOnTheMoon

      Hey, now; that one's my theory!

      • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Saturday July 16 2016, @04:33PM

        by JNCF (4317) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @04:33PM (#375381) Journal

        MoonLandingWasFakedOnTheMoon

        Hey, now; that one's my theory!

        I think this guy [thepromiserevealed.com] beat you both:

        I also feel some of these moon photos were genuine as it is well known that the original moon landing on the moon was not our first in fact we landed on Mars in 1962. The publicity stunt to land on the moon was to dupe the public in supporting the space program. We did land there but they switched over to a fake pre-produced video for part of the moon landing footage seen by the world in 1969.

        This was just the first google result, but this is a pretty common line of reasoning among people who believe that the US government has had flying saucer technology capable of interstellar travel since the 40s. And accepting that shaky premise, faking the moon landing on the moon might make a certain kind of sense -- they wouldn't even have to involve Stanley Kubrick!

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:45AM

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:45AM (#375300) Homepage
      > #WeKnowTheTruth #JFKNeverDied #ElvisIsAnExtraterestial #MoonLandingWasFakedOnTheMoon

      Please subscirbe me to your newsletter! pc+thetruth@asdf.org
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:47AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:47AM (#375302)

      #EinsteinForgotToCarryTheOne

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:01AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:01AM (#375288)

    nuff said

    could also say controlled demolition, but won't.

    -zug

    • (Score: 1) by zugedneb on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:12AM

      by zugedneb (4556) on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:12AM (#375290)

      thing is, this dude made some research on available archives and talked to people.
      on that he based some books, and published certain numbers.

      many years later, "top fucking secret" documents from government archives are released, that obviously do not agree with his findings.

      so, the important thing to note is this:
      1. if there were no "need", the documents would have never surfaced.
      2. enough time have passed from the "events" to the release of the documents, so that even a retard could forge the content.

      i say, whatever is in the documents, is a forgery, a lie.
      also, they probably won't mention the building that collapsed, but was not hit by anything.

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    • (Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Sunday July 17 2016, @06:13AM

      by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Sunday July 17 2016, @06:13AM (#375612)

      Thermite is made out of aluminium and iron oxide.

      The Iron came from the support beams, the Aluminium came from the aircraft. The Oxygen came from the air while the fire was burning for about 40 minutes.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @07:57AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @07:57AM (#375634)

        "The Iron came from the support beams..."
        aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

        -zug

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:08AM

    by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:08AM (#375289) Journal

    Its rather repetitive in several places, but there's not much that was't suspected long ago, and actually some of these names have been published before. Its clear there was quite a bit of saudi money flowing into mosques in the US, and there still is.

    It should have been made public long ago, and not much would have turned out differently. We would still have gone after Bin Ladin't operation where ever it was. Turns out after all this time we probably didn't need the Saudis as much as Europe did.
       

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:59PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:59PM (#375342) Journal

    I can't add anything to the conversation about Saudi involvement in 9/11, but I can say I have seen raw footage from cameras around DC. I guy I used to work with ran ABC's data clusters that archived all their raw footage from street cams and the like, presumably for "this is the traffic on the expressway today!" kind of shots. He showed me a sequence from an approach to the Pentagon that showed an object flying low over the street. It was only 2-3 frames. It was moving fast and the camera resolution wasn't really high, so it was too blurry to make out details. But you could get a sense of the size because in one of the frames it was directly over a pickup. It was roughly the same length. I suspected it might be a cruise missile, but it was obvious it was not a jumbo jet.

    The guy had made a backup of the footage, which he hid away in some secret place. Hours later the FBI showed up and confiscated everything.

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    Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @05:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @05:00PM (#375388)

      yeah, i think it's pretty clear that the pentagon was hit by a missile, flight 93 was shot down, and several WTC buildings were demolished by pros after the planes crashed into two of them. Who did it? I don't know enough about gov's black ops demo teams to guess what country's team was used to blow up the WTC buildings(mossad, pakistanis?), but it was surely not some random goat humpers. the highjackers could easily be sourced from wahabi saudi groups and wouldn't have to be in on the big picture. they could just be given their chance to strike a blow for victory against the great satan. the miltary personell responsible for the flight 93 shoot down probably wouldn't take much force to get them to keep quiet. who wants to be that guy anyways. The pentagon could have been managed a few different ways. feed bad info, sabotage instruments, etc. whoever pushed the button probably doesn't want to try and prove their conspiracy theory. Black ops demo teams(could just be a few people, with more time.) probably don't talk much about their work. All of this means coordination means at least some high level US personnel knew something. Probably not the most public of them though. Why have them acting when they could be actually surprised on TV? This kind of power is what keeps politicians in line too.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @09:26PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @09:26PM (#375486)

      The guy had made a backup of the footage, which he hid away in some secret place. Hours later the FBI showed up and confiscated everything.

      I guess he didn't think to make backups on the Internet and spread it around. How convenient.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 16 2016, @10:14PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @10:14PM (#375501) Journal

        He was kind of a grey hat and rather paranoid. When he showed it to me he was skittish.

        All i can say is that i did see it, and that the object that hit the pentagon was not a passenger jet. It was smaller. I don't know why someone would hit the pentagon with a cruise missile intentionally. It would have to be a colossal fuckup.

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        Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @05:43AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @05:43AM (#375608)

      and we're supposed to believe you just because you're generally a nice person who would never lie about something like this, right?

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday July 17 2016, @10:52AM

        by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 17 2016, @10:52AM (#375663) Journal

        I don't care if you believe me or not. It doesn't matter. I'm not selling anything, no book, no film, no conspiracy. I can't think of any reason why a cruise missile would have been fired at all, because you don't fire cruise missiles at hijacked planes, you fire something else. Likewise the US Air Force and Navy would have had no reason to fire a cruise missile at anything that morning. So either it was a colossal fuckup and they didn't want the embarassment, or the hijackers also somehow launched a cruise missile and it freaked Washington out that a non-state actor could do that. That's wild speculation, though, and doesn't really hold water.

        So there's no takeaway here beyond the few frames I saw that showed what hit the Pentagon was not a passenger plane. That's it.

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        Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @02:44PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @02:44PM (#375700)
          And it was most certainly not a bug flying close to the lens, because you and your friend are experts and ruled that out.
  • (Score: 2) by archfeld on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:26PM

    by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:26PM (#375353) Journal

    Nah, did/do they splash around Bazillions of dollars to 'cousins' who are neck deep in the organizations that WERE responsible for 9/11 and hundreds of others terrorist attacks in Europe and the far west, Hell yes. The Saudis are dirty as hell and Tyrants in their own country, but we support them because they can have a moderating effect on the same groups by withholding money, and their influence is critical to ensuring that the oil continues to flow.

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  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:05PM

    by HiThere (866) on Saturday July 16 2016, @07:05PM (#375423)

    Osama Bin Ladin was a part of the house of Saud. I forget the exact relationship, I think a somewhat distant relative, but as close as many others who are acknowledged members.

    Now as to this other stuff...I still don't know how official all this was. And the groups on the surface aren't necessarily the groups that are important. There's a lot of "intelligence work" involved here, and guy in intelligence often don't feel bound by the laws of their country. Sort of like other police, only moreso. And intelligence groups tend to break up into clandestine factions.

    I don't really feel like claiming that any government, as such, knew what was going on. But lots of governments had actors involved, many of which were doing what they thought was in the best interests of their government...but many of THOSE were paranoid, and others though the governments should be coerced into doing what they *knew* the government really wanted to do, but didn't dare.

    So what I'm proposing is that there was an international conspiracy to commit heinous arson by loyal agents of the involved states without the knowledge of the responsible officials. And that it was followed up by an official cover-up, probably with the high officials still not knowing the details.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @12:07AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17 2016, @12:07AM (#375532)

    Mark my words, 9/11 is nothing compared to the disasters Pokemon Go will bring.