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posted by martyb on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:38AM   Printer-friendly
from the all-that's-old-is-new-again dept.

NASA dusts off FORTRAN manual, revives 20-year-old data on Ganymede

NASA scientists have made some new discoveries about Jupiter's giant moon Ganymede, thanks to a dedicated team, an elderly VAX machine and 20-year-old data from the long-defunct Galileo probe.

Fifteen years after Galileo (no, not that one) ended its days with a plunge into the atmosphere of Jupiter, NASA scientists have resurrected the 20-year-old datasets and added more detail to the puzzle of Ganymede's magnetosphere.

The new data, published in Geophysical Research Letters [DOI: 10.1002/2017GL075487] [DX], paints a picture of a stormy environment, with particles blasted off the moon's icy surface by incoming plasma raining down from Jupiter.

Ganymede is the solar system's largest and most massive satellite, but has slightly lower surface gravity than the Moon (0.146g vs 0.165g). Like many other icy objects in the solar system, Ganymede may have liquid oceans capable of supporting life. ESA's Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer (JUICE) will fly by Ganymede, Callisto, and Europa before eventually orbiting Ganymede. It may also include a Russian-built Ganymede lander.

Also at NASA.


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Ganymede was shaped by pronounced periods of tectonic activity in the past, according to a new paper. It's no longer active and its surface is more-or-less frozen in place now. But this discovery opens the door to better planning for future missions to Jupiter's other frozen moon Europa. Unlike Ganymede, Europa is still tectonically active, and understanding past geological activity on Ganymede helps us understand present-day Europa.

Ganymede is one of Jupiter's moons, and it has a sub-surface ocean under a solid layer of frost and ice. The moon shows signs of strike-slip faulting, or strike-slip tectonism. On Earth, this type of tectonic activity created features like the San Andreas fault, a seismically-active region at the boundary between the Pacific Plate and the North American Plate.

Europa is considered a prime target in the search for life in our Solar System because of its sub-surface ocean. Europa is exposed to Jupiter's intense radiation, but the icy sphere surrounding the sub-surface ocean may act as a radiation barrier, protecting life from its harmful effects. Not only is the sub-surface ocean protected from radiation, it's warm.

Ganymede will be visited by ESA's Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer, which should launch in June 2022, reach Jupiter orbit in October 2029, and orbit Ganymede starting in 2033. The mission may include a Russian-built Ganymede lander.

Morphological mapping of Ganymede: Investigating the role of strike-slip tectonics in the evolution of terrain types (DOI: 10.1016/j.icarus.2018.06.024) (DX)

1982 paper: The tectonics of Ganymede (DOI: 10.1038/295290a0) (DX)

Related: NASA Analyzes Forgotten Galileo Data from Flyby of Ganymede


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  • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Wednesday May 02 2018, @05:37AM (7 children)

    by Whoever (4524) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @05:37AM (#674466) Journal

    thanks to a dedicated team, an elderly VAX machine and 20-year-old data from the long-defunct Galileo probe.

    I hope they only used that old VAX to read the tapes, then immediately transferred the data to a modern machine.

    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 02 2018, @07:54AM (2 children)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @07:54AM (#674488) Homepage Journal

      I’m for traditional cyber. People's opinions about cyber are changing rapidly. Spectre & Meltdown, big problems with some of the new cyber. And so much of the new cyber comes from China, maybe, probably they can wiretapp that. Huawei & ZTE. My Generals say, be careful. Because nobody knows if they're doing a wiretapp!!!

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by FakeBeldin on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:26AM (1 child)

        by FakeBeldin (3360) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:26AM (#674496) Journal

        I’m for traditional cyber.

        I put on my robe and wizard hat...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:01PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:01PM (#674621)

          I skipped the robe.

    • (Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:13PM (3 children)

      by SomeGuy (5632) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:13PM (#674546)

      I hope they only used that old VAX to read the tapes, then immediately transferred the data to a modern machine.

      Why, because seeing anything that isn't an Apple iPhone still running somehow offends you?

      You might want to avoid the Vintage Computing Festivals, your head might explode in to pixelated chunks.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ledow on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:31PM (2 children)

        by ledow (5567) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:31PM (#674550) Homepage

        Maybe because reliance on technology that old - when you can pull the raw data into a modern system along with a billion other space missions and analyse it more easily and collectively - is probably a brighter idea than leaving it on a tape that you can't read on a machine that nobody understands any more and can't process one millionth the speed/data that a decent modern datacentre could.

        The best way to "preserve" data is to constantly move it forward into every format and storage medium you get, as you go, rather than hope you can still read that tape in 40 years time.

        To be honest, another 40 years and the VAX probably wouldn't be working, the tape would be entirely unreadable, and it would literally be someone's job to hope the documentation was correct (and readable) and recreate the FORTRAN code to pull it off as if FORTRAN was an unknown foreign language, rather than "something my dad remembers and I can still buy books on".

        • (Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:09PM (1 child)

          by SomeGuy (5632) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:09PM (#674592)

          Do you still use wheels? Those are oooold! :P

          OF COURSE they would have analyzed the data with whatever their current supported, and well understood, software is on their current supported, and (hopefully) well understood hardware. TFA doesn't even say why the VAX machine was supposedly involved. If I recall correctly, most data recovery services read data directly from tapes in to a Linux box. There would be little or no need to involve additional hardware.

          I suspect the TFA just mentioned the VAX system for the heck of it. Even if someone there had kept one running, it is best to send important tapes to a pro or you really risk damaging them.

          • (Score: 2) by ledow on Friday May 04 2018, @10:22AM

            by ledow (5567) on Friday May 04 2018, @10:22AM (#675567) Homepage

            Good luck using any kind of wheel from a classic car on a new one, and complying with modern safety standards.

            Even the wheel has evolved to the point that old ones are useless. You can no more stick a cartwheel directly on a Ford than you can a VAX tape on a Windows PC.

  • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Wednesday May 02 2018, @06:30AM (6 children)

    by shortscreen (2252) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @06:30AM (#674474) Journal

    I would hope that NASA has a person whose job description includes preserving data that is potentially valuable and difficult to replace.

    I have files on my laptop that are more than twenty years old. Maybe not every DOOM WAD, but certainly the 12MB AVI file I once downloaded over dialup (almost, but not quite, as hard to obtain as probe readings from another planet)

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by suburbanitemediocrity on Wednesday May 02 2018, @07:35AM (1 child)

      by suburbanitemediocrity (6844) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @07:35AM (#674485)

      This was my job thirty years ago...actually only part of my job, I worked in the archives writing image processing software. And it was for JPL, but I was very familiar with the VAX and image processing system (called VICAR). It was a bunch of libraries for loading saving and manipulating images. I remember it being very slow and could spend a whole day on a single image - something that is done in real time today. I was only 18 and it was a major rush to having a key to the archives where I could go and look at whatever I wanted. Everything was on 12" rtr magnetic tape. Once we got a package from the Soviet Union holding raw Venera images.

      If there's a moral to the story it is that NASA should publicly release all raw data as it comes in and not keep it secret so that some scientist gets exclusive access for years to write a paper and not be upstaged by some high school kid with a bootlegged copy of photoshop and crazy ideas on hydrocarbon ice alluvial patterns.

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday May 02 2018, @05:51PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @05:51PM (#674677)

        > If there's a moral to the story it is that NASA should publicly release all raw data as it comes in

        A hundred million times this.
        Sure, we'd have all sorts of conspiracy whackjobs build elaborate theories about some artifact that they don't understand is part of the detector's tradeoffs. Sure, the Chinese scientists would read data that their government didn't pay to acquire. But having valuable knowledge archived on a few million hard drives all over the planet is a Really Good Idea.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:26AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:26AM (#674495)

      They didnt even preserve the original moonlanding tapes:
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes [wikipedia.org]

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday May 02 2018, @06:02PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @06:02PM (#674684) Journal

        They didnt even preserve the original moonlanding tapes:

        Or even worse, Dr. Who! [wikipedia.org]

      • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday May 03 2018, @12:54AM

        by jmorris (4844) on Thursday May 03 2018, @12:54AM (#674860)

        There really is no excuse for not preserving EVERYTHING regarding Apollo 11, everybody at the time knew it was historic. Of course on the other hand everybody also thought it was the beginning of what would be missions leading to permanent settlements by now. So they knew it was historic, they just didn't know it was THE crowning achievement of their civilization and they needed to be preserving things for the coming Dark Age.

    • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday May 02 2018, @02:12PM

      by jdavidb (5690) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @02:12PM (#674566) Homepage Journal

      certainly the 12MB AVI file I once downloaded over dialup

      Somewhere I still have the Zip disk where I installed MacBSD from 12-20 floppy disk images I downloaded using ZTerm.

      --
      ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
  • (Score: 1) by adun on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:10AM

    by adun (6928) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:10AM (#674491)

    All you folks are being happy about new data and urging folks to preserve it and whatnot, and I'm sitting here like an idiot, being happy just because I'm seeing a VAX in the news again :-).

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by kazzie on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:13AM (4 children)

    by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:13AM (#674492)

    I have in front of me a copy of VAX FORTRAN (V4.7) on seven track tape which I recently saved from being thrown into a skip. However I don't have anything to read said tape with.

    There's a moral to this story here...

    • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:17AM (1 child)

      by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:17AM (#674493)

      Correction: it's probably a nine-track rather than a 7-track, given its age (1987). Still 1/2" diameter, anyhow.

      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Thursday May 03 2018, @02:38AM

        by RS3 (6367) on Thursday May 03 2018, @02:38AM (#674889)

        You meant 1/2" wide, not diameter.

        Yes, 9-track (8 data bits, 1 parity) 1/2" is quite common and there are still many functioning tape drives in the world.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Wednesday May 02 2018, @09:22AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @09:22AM (#674503) Journal

      There's a moral to this story here...

      Yeah, you're a hoarder. (grin)

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:06PM

      by SomeGuy (5632) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:06PM (#674545)

      There's a moral to this story here...

      Yea, that copyright needs to be revised so you don't have to keep the tapes hidden under a rock for another hundred years before you are legally allowed to share a copy with us.

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