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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday December 20 2018, @05:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the to-infinity-and-beyond dept.

The Washington Times has an article up on the authorization of a new Space Command.

Trump signed a one-page memorandum Tuesday authorizing the Defense Department to create the new command. Speaking at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, Vice President Mike Pence said, "a new era of American national security in space begins today.

The goal is to set up a command to oversee and organize space operations, accelerate technical advances and find more effective ways to defend U.S. assets in space, including the vast constellations of satellites that American forces rely on for navigation, communications and surveillance. The move comes amid growing concerns that China and Russia are working on ways to disrupt, disable or even destroy U.S. satellites."

This is distinct from the President's goal (enjoyed by both his supporters and detractors) of creating a separate "Space Force" military branch.

The article also notes that the Space Command is not new and that

A U.S. Space Command existed from 1985 to 2002, but was disbanded in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks so that U.S. Northern Command could be established, focusing on defense of the homeland.

Sadly, if it hadn't been for that, we might already have Space Marines.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Thursday December 20 2018, @05:44PM (12 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday December 20 2018, @05:44PM (#776869) Journal

    This is distinct from the President's goal (enjoyed by both his supporters and detractors) of creating a separate "Space Force" military branch.

    I read that this move was a precursor or first step towards creating the Space Force.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @05:50PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @05:50PM (#776874)

      Space Force chaaaa

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by looorg on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:43PM (2 children)

        by looorg (578) on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:43PM (#776899)

        It should probably be more like Space Force .. FUCK YEAH! ... Now the real Alien hunting can begin. There will be problems building a wall in space tho to keep them all out, if they exist.
        But then it's only fitting that the God Emperor takes the first step out into the cold darkness of space to combat the xenos filth.

        • (Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:10PM

          by SpockLogic (2762) on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:10PM (#776916)

          It should probably be more like Space Force .. FUCK YEAH! ... Now the real Alien hunting can begin.

          I like Space Farce better ;-)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:23PM (#776928)

          I was mimicking Trump's announcement, but you nailed his supporters' reactions.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Freeman on Thursday December 20 2018, @05:56PM (3 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday December 20 2018, @05:56PM (#776877) Journal

      Finally, we may be prepared for when we find giant Alien bugs that want to use the Earth as a breeding ground.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Sulla on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:04PM (2 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:04PM (#776909) Journal

        I just want giant weapons in the asteroid belt. I mean yeah i guess they could be turned on earth. But I would rather humans waste a couple trillions on weaponry in the belt than in Earth orbit.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by nobu_the_bard on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:33PM

          by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:33PM (#776938)

          We don't need giant weapons in the asteroid belt. The asteroid belt is the ammo clip for our civilization-destroying hilarity. Just need to get a few automated factories into position and a target list.

          Scientists haven't found any signs of life anywhere but Earth, and it's time to make sure it stays that way, with a preemptive strike against everything else in our solar system!

          I'd like to recommend starting with Mar-A-Lago, which I presume from the name must be on Mars. I've heard there's some greens there or something.

        • (Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Thursday December 27 2018, @01:35AM

          by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 27 2018, @01:35AM (#778831) Journal

          I want a giant laser on the dark side of the moon, no make that lots of them.

          1) We can use it to push stuff with solar sails
          2) no way to make it point at the Earth!

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by requerdanos on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:49PM (1 child)

      by requerdanos (5997) on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:49PM (#776902) Journal

      creating the Space Force.

      Instead of the arrogant-sounding "force", perhaps we should use a name that implies strength but doesn't come right out and say it. Like maybe "fleet" which implies that there are a sizeable number of is, and there's strength in numbers.

      Also, instead of the "Space" fleet, maybe do something similar and give a nod to all the interesting stars out there in space (which is mostly boring) and say "Star" in place of "Space."

      I think this would be an organization with a long, prosperous life.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:05PM (#776911)

        Sounds like you've got a good idea, pink skin.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @08:20PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @08:20PM (#776952)

      This isn't just a foreword to declassifying the actual Space Force we've had for 50 years, and declaring ownership over the Moon, Mars, etc thanks to already having covert (now overt) bases settled on them, and a ground war with Russian and/or Chinese military forces who have also already arrived there.

      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday December 21 2018, @01:45AM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday December 21 2018, @01:45AM (#777046) Homepage

        By "Space Force" you mean the space forces that the Navy and Air Force already had for at least 20 goddamn years each? I think we should rid our existing military branches of Obama's fifth-columnist AIDS pozz before we give them unstoppable space weapons that can rain doom from the heavens.

        Then I would join the Space Force and name our first such declassified weapons system "Kefka's Tower."

        As it is, our so-called "space forces" are a bunch of dweebs who go to work in blues every day sitting on their asses, and once in awhile they may have to maneuver an obsolete satellite into a collision-course with another, Russian, obsolete piece of junk.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:19PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:19PM (#776885)

    the vast constellations of satellites that American forces rely on for navigation, communications and surveillance

    They really shouldn't be relying on this. It is very convenient but I doubt it will still work in the case of a space-capable adversary. Instead they should use the celtic cross:

    Through the results of intensive research, Crichton proposes that our present system of beliefs and science was inherited from ancient mariners that sailed the oceans of the world in prehistory. He further proposes that the abrupt end of the last ice age, 12,500 years ago, was part of a cataclysm that destroyed of a large part of the flora and fauna of Earth. The most likely humans to survive this cataclysmic event were those who were at sea.

    [...]

    This instrument can tell the time, find latitude and longitude, measure the angles of the stars, predict the solstices and equinoxes and measure the precession of the equinoxes. The instrument can also find the ecliptic pole as well as the North and South poles, it can make maps and charts, design pyramids and henges and, when it is used in combination with these observatory sites, can record and predict the cycles of nature.

    What is this ancient icon that all humanity sees daily and does not recognize? It is the cross.

      http://www.viewzone.com/crichton.html [viewzone.com]

    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:37PM (9 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday December 20 2018, @06:37PM (#776898)

      Thanks for the link A/C.

      I love a good "ancient wisdom" theory and that's a great read. There's even a link at the bottom to were Celts in Oklahoma? [viewzone.com] which is hilarious. (The answer is no by the way).
       

      • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:09PM (7 children)

        by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:09PM (#776915) Journal

        I would love to know how they purport to show longitude with a cross. Likely Vespucci's or Galileo's methods, which both required significant foreknowledge and very sensitive measurement. But if they have some new novel method I would love to hear it, even if only to forward it to the flat earth clowns.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:29PM (#776933)

          A Prime Meridian

          5. The establishment of a prime meridian where watchers or astronomer/astrologers create an almanac showing the positions of the moon at midnight at that meridian using Draconis and the Ecliptic pole against the celestial pole to determine their local midnight. See this link. Star clock

          6. By using the position of the Serpent constellation Draconis to determine local midnight the navigator can establish their local time and if they are east or west of that meridian can interpolate the angular difference between the moon and the predicted decan or planet in degrees and arc minutes translating the difference into distance on the earths surface.

          The Method

          The only way to navigate by the moon is to work out the angular differential from a star over time and motion with the help of an almanac reference.

          This requires tracking the moon along the ecliptic and using certain stars in known constellations that the Egyptians called a decan of which there were 36 in one complete Zodiac to make up 360 degrees.

          But that knowledge is insufficient on its own, there is a crucial requirement, an instrument of sufficient accuracy.

          [...]

          Figure 7 shows the finding of longitude for navigation by measuring the movement of lunar, solar and planetary bodies against the background of the ecliptic.

          http://rexresearch.com/millercelt/millercelt.htm [rexresearch.com]

          The basic idea is to know the relative positions of the moon/etc vs the stars at the prime meridian and then measure how different it is at your position.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by fyngyrz on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:32PM (3 children)

          by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:32PM (#776937) Journal

          But if they have some new novel method I would love to hear it, even if only to forward it to the flat earth clowns.

          It's not nice to abuse the handicapped.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:47PM (#776944)

            Hey watch out, you'll trigger khallow if you make fun of the brain damaged.

          • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Thursday December 20 2018, @09:21PM (1 child)

            by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday December 20 2018, @09:21PM (#776973) Journal

            If they are trolls, it only leads to us both having a good time (they get fed, and I get to call them idiots).

            If they aren't trolls then they I will doubly enjoy watching the ancient aliens and flat earthers argue about their terrible methods to measure or disprove longitude. And believe me, I can enjoy watching idiots argue enough for two people.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @10:47AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @10:47AM (#777489)

              So you do not believe this "cross" method can be sufficiently accurate? Why?

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday December 20 2018, @08:59PM (1 child)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday December 20 2018, @08:59PM (#776965)

          I wondered about that too. I also wondered how the Celts got to Oklahoma without going through any of the eastern parts of North America.

          Maybe they parachuted in.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 21 2018, @01:23AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 21 2018, @01:23AM (#777039)

            The northwest passage?

      • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Thursday December 20 2018, @09:57PM

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Thursday December 20 2018, @09:57PM (#776984)

        (The answer is no by the way)

        Oh well thanks for spoiling it for us!

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:08PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:08PM (#776913)

    build the space wall now!

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by ikanreed on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:13PM

      by ikanreed (3164) on Thursday December 20 2018, @07:13PM (#776919) Journal

      Oh don't worry, we're building ourselves an amazing Kessler syndrome. And having a small scale military conflict in space is the perfect way to make that happen.

  • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday December 20 2018, @08:29PM

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday December 20 2018, @08:29PM (#776958) Journal

    ... from TFA...

    According to one U.S. official, the command would pull about 600 staff from existing military space offices, and then add at least another 1,000 over the coming years.

    Gotta grow that bureaucracy somehow! And five years from now they'll disband the Space Force to reconstitute them into constituent commands... and it will all go around again.

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  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday December 20 2018, @09:41PM

    by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday December 20 2018, @09:41PM (#776979)

    The goal is to set up a command to oversee and organize space operations, accelerate technical advances and find more effective ways to defend U.S. assets in space, including the vast constellations of satellites that American forces rely on for navigation, communications and surveillance. The move comes amid growing concerns that China and Russia are working on ways to disrupt, disable or even destroy U.S. satellites."

    "blah blah blah defense blah blah also we have to be ready to fight foreigners"

    I guess if the "distract everybody from how much we suck by getting in a war" strategy ain't broke don't fix it eh

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @10:47PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 20 2018, @10:47PM (#777003)

    To insanity and beyond!...

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Friday December 21 2018, @12:57AM

    by sjames (2882) on Friday December 21 2018, @12:57AM (#777034) Journal

    What we need is the Science Patrol.

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