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posted by takyon on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the advertising-yourself dept.

Ignorance may be bliss for Facebook's users. About 74 percent of adults in the US who use Facebook didn't know the social network keeps a list of their interests and traits for ad targeting, says a study released Wednesday by the Pew Research Center.

About half of Facebook users said they weren't comfortable that the company compiled this information.

The world's largest social network came under fire in 2018 for a series of scandals over data privacy and security. The episodes caused concern about whether Facebook does enough to let users know what information it tracks and how it uses the data.

Facebook knows your age, gender and location, along with what you post, the pages you like and the businesses you check into on the social network. All that information helps the company determine what ads to show its 2.3 billion users.

Facebook users can view their "ad preferences" page to see what the social network thinks their interests are and why they're seeing a given ad. This list can include users' political leanings, hobbies and even the type of smartphone they use. Facebook users can also remove an interest from that list to change the type of ads they see on the social network.


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  • (Score: 2) by noneof_theabove on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:24PM (7 children)

    by noneof_theabove (6189) on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:24PM (#788791)

    but people need to wake up to being "raped" by the "ad slingers".

    Possibilities
    Opera Browser - has a built in [must turn it on] VPN [virtual private server]
    Private Internet Access - [disclaimer I am a long time user and not ties to the company] fixes everything else
    $36 / yr for 6 devices last time I renewed and ranked very very good.

    VPN
    Everything you type is encrypted and then set to the server you are connecting/connected to.
    They then forward you information out.
    When it comes back they encrypt it and send it to you.

    Result - the ad-slingers only see the VPN and not you.

    AVOID GOOGLE like a plague ! ! ! Really they trap EVERYTHING.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:50PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:50PM (#788802)

      Is a VPN really needed? With the right ad and script blocking you should be able to stop most profiling. Then if you don't trust your ISP, why trust some other random company? Use Tor.

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:07AM (2 children)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:07AM (#788903) Homepage Journal

      SSH Tunneling works well, it's just that you have to forward each port with an explicit, separate command.

      I keep planning to set that up at boot but can't be bothered. Even so, I've done it in the past and so would appear to be a web server from a land where prostitution is not only legal, but a respectable line of work.

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:05AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:05AM (#788953)

        Try sshuttle [github.com].

        • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @06:37PM

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @06:37PM (#789097) Homepage Journal

          -rson:

          doubleplusgood:

                root@oggfrog2:/home/mike# apt-get install sshuttle
                                      ...Setting up sshuttle (0.54-1) ...
                                      root@oggfrog2:/home/mike#

          doubleplusungood:

                sammy:~ mike$ port search sshuttle | less
                sammy:~ mike$

          I'll Use The Source, Luke when I'm done downloading vast sums of Videos Of Ill Repute. >:-) 8===m=w====D~~~~

                                     

          --
          Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @05:29PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @05:29PM (#789662)

      Um, no. You have to log into the Facebook with your login. (TFA is about Facebook, not browsing in general.) Sure, you may have concealed your location and whatnot... but you are STILL giving Facebook what you're interested in, how long you look at it, what you click on, what you don't, what videos you skip past, which "sponsored" items get a pause and which don't. They will associate other websites for a time looked at from that IP address that you logged into Facebook with - which yes, in a VPN may be disguised a little by other traffic flowing on that I.P., sure.

      But thinking you've "cured" the ads-and-tracking problem with the technical aspects of using a VPN or a privacy browser is a little naive, sorry. And as soon as the world dumps Facebook.... TPTB will figure out a new dodge.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:25PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:25PM (#788793)

    Facebook is an advertising agency disguised as a social network. Much like mcdonalds is a land owner disguised as a fast food company. Google is a advertising agency disguised as search engine.

    Once you realize where their 'real' money is made you realize what these companies are and you can treat them appropriately.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:44PM (#788797)

      They are a Silicon Valley Internet something company masquerading as an ad agency. It's their customers that let themselves be duped that if one of their audience members searches for a book, them placing ads against them for books will result in higher sales, rather than the audience member getting creeped out.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:13AM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:13AM (#788956) Journal

      :-)NSA is disguised as all of them

      --
      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:49PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:49PM (#788801)

    1) You'd have to be stupid to have EVER thought using Facebook was even remotely a good idea. It was obviously a bad idea from the outset.

    2) If you're still using Facebook after all that has been revealed about Facebook, you are well below stupid : there are house plants which are smarter than you.

    3) It is impossible to protect idiots from their poor decisions. It would be far more sensible to sterilize them so they cannot replicate. Due to advances in robotics, the world is going to need far fewer idiots in the near future, so the sooner they are forced to quit breeding, the better for the earth and humanity in general.

    The truth is not always something that sounds like it could be in a Walt Disney movie which is rated as ok for children to watch. The truth is whatever it needs to be, because that is the nature of the truth.

    Ok, now all you simple-minded knee-jerk SJW virtue-signaling fucktards can gang up and mod this post down. All your modding will, however, not change the truth. Suck on that, you pathetic useless punkass children in adult bodies.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:59PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:59PM (#788803)

      Facebook is not that bad...

      • (Score: 2) by BsAtHome on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:05PM

        by BsAtHome (889) on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:05PM (#788805)

        Only in an alternate universe where the word bad was redefined as to mean good.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:21PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:21PM (#788810)

        If you knew what Facebook is REALLY used for, you would have a different opinion.

        Advertising is just the tip of the iceberg. And remember, most of the iceberg is BELOW the surface.

        What is below the surface is very frightening, and the more you know about Facebook the more frightening it becomes. It's part of a huge surveillance machine which encompasses all the telecoms, all the ISPs, all the makers of products like "smart thermostats, etc. That the masses are embracing all this stuff without the resistance has been beyond the wildest dreams of the people who are in charge. In their view, it's like a rape victim who assists the rapist during the act of rape and then pays the rapist for his services ( that's more or less a direct quote from a person who cannot be named here ).

        Companies like Facebook and Google exist with the blessing of the US government, which can and will shut down entities ( companies, people ) who don't play along with the government. And when I say "government" I am not talking about dipshits like Trump or Nancy Pelosi, I am talking about the parts of the government that remain regardless of election results. Honestly, if you people had any idea of what is really going on, you'd have trouble sleeping. Suffice it to say that since Facebook remains in the good graces of those behind the curtain where the REAL power is, Facebook is cooperating. And if that doesn't bother you, then it's hard to know where to begin with respect to what it would take to get you to wake up.

        Eric Blair ( AKA "George Orwell" ) could not have begun to dream of what is actually happening in the US, the UK, China, and India. Africa is behind the curve,
        but that will change.

        Sleep well, friends.

        • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:50AM (2 children)

          by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:50AM (#788875) Journal

          Whew, the paranoia this story unleashed!

          But I can't say that it is entirely unjustified. Knowledge is power, and Facebook has a lot data, much of it very personal. Getting ever harder to keep anything at all in a closet.

          But some good comes of some losses of privacy. There's all kinds of stuff that shouldn't have to be closeted, for example, homosexuality. There are still people who think homosexuality is an offense against God, unnatural, and a conscious choice and all that, but they seem to be a minority that's shrunk amazingly in recent decades.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:52PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:52PM (#789073)

            i'm not paranoid, but i don't disagree with the concept if perhaps the context (physical rape participation).

            people willingly are helping to sell themselves, and facebook is the broker. all in exchange for an easier convenience of putting themselves on display.

            follow the teenagers and the tweens and they tend to respond the most positively after getting burned a few times in regards to privacy; adults sort of become numb or refuse to believe or think about the issues because there is no political or religious statement yet telling them what to believe, and conveniences are too good to give up when they are free. i mean who would pay for facebook? the days of compuserve and prodigy are over. and people arent gonna start dragging and dropping their own websites because the ISP will kick you off the net for daring to run a 'server' on a residential account.

            and places like geocities and whatnot are mostly gone. the ones that remain for free do a much better job selling you out than the old ones did, maybe its less bad than facebook or google, but still bad.

            people really have to pay for privacy and often the price causes sticker shock. young people are again the ones to herald any changes, but mostly out of shame or vanity. the few wise (neckbeards?) older people are just cooky ranks to everyone, you know? not cool to hang out with the kids and too richard stallman to be taken seriously by friends and family.

            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:48PM

              by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:48PM (#789113) Journal

              I don't miss Prodigy. They shared the patronizing paternalism of their parent company, Sears. (I'd like to see Sears stop that, preferably without going bankrupt, but if the only choices are alive and patronizing, or bankrupt, I'll take bankrupt.) I know from personal experience that Prodigy spied on its users. I tried writing a complaint, and was disconnected. I got back on, surfed around a bit to check that the connection was good, and tried again. Midway through the complaint, disconnected. Hmm. Tried a 3rd time, and everything seemed fine until I tried writing the complaint, then, click! Disconnected again! Never had so much trouble staying connected-- the amount of droppage I was getting was unprecedented. And usually when there's connection troubles, the connection degrades before dropping. This was an abrupt transition from working perfectly to dropped. So I cut them off. Never dialed in again, ignored all their mail about being seriously delinquent in paying for service I was not using (they had that crap that you couldn't quit them unless you gave them 30 days written notice, one of the stunts AoL also tried), their dire warnings that I would be cut off, and finally, after a year or two they gave up.

              Next to that Prodigy and AoL crap, Facebook is positively benign.

              I never used Geocities, I always ran my own servers. But around 2 years ago, the ISP I'm stuck using (Time Warner/Spectrum) quietly started blocking ports 80 and 443. My web server became invisible, and no one at the ISP seemed to know why, suggested the problem was my end. Sometimes they will speculate that if they are blocking those ports, it's for your own good. You wouldn't want to get infected with a VIRUS, would you? Seemed I had no choice but to use a web hosting service, or not have a web site.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:09PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:09PM (#788807)

      What a bleak outlook on life you have.

      now all you simple-minded knee-jerk SJW virtue-signaling fucktards
      As a card caring member of the 'alt right' you sir are an idiot who thinks it is easier to insult people than to change their minds. Do not confuse insults for intelligence.

      Facebook has its place. It is a tool. Much like a bandsaw. Use it with caution and do not cut your fingers off. Know what they are and treat them with the proper contempt and do not allow them onto your network except for when you need them.

      You can request what they 'have on you'. Every single thing they have on me is what I gave them. Nothing else. Because I block advertising agencies at the ingress points on my computer. Which is what they are.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:23PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:23PM (#788814)

        You stupid jerkoff, you have no fucking idea what my political leanings are.

        I voted for Obama TWICE. I have marched in civil rights protests.

        What I am talking about has NOTHING to do with politics.

        Thanks for providing an excellent example of the SJW idiot I referred to in my earlier post. You really rose to the occasion, you smart-mouthed little douche nozzle.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:46AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:46AM (#788838)

          Again, go to Nevada where you can legally get laid in exchange for cash. Or are you the AC that can't get a job?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:53AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:53AM (#788977)

          uh... your reading comprehension is a bit on the low side there. Go re-read what I said.

          You are the one who brought up the SJW bit. Again you insult and do not change my mind. Only pretending that insults=intelligence.

          You have a very bleak outlook on life.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:51AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:51AM (#788859) Journal

        Above AC nails it when he calls you a jerkoff. Of course Facebook is a tool - but it's not your tool, and you don't get to use it. If Facebook were a table saw, you would be the lumber that the saw eats into sawdust.

        --
        “I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @08:00AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @08:00AM (#788982)

          If Facebook were a table saw, you would be the lumber that the saw eats into sawdust

          If you let it. Why do you think uBlock, no-script are installed on all of my computers, and liberal use of DNS to block it? I block at ingress and egress points. I know what they are. I treat them with respect that any powertool needs. It is turned on when I need it and used with caution. I feed them only what I want them to know. Who 'owns' the tool is of no mater to me. They provide a free service that I take advantage of. I give them very little in return. Many others do not realize what they are and pour their whole life into it. I learned long ago what you type into the internet will be around for a long time. Facebook and google are no different in that regard. In 10-20 years it will be real interesting once the current 'grew up on the internet' generation hits politics.

          Also you are using insults to try to change my mind. You are failing.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:22PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:22PM (#788812)

      Before sterilizing the general population you need to do a controlled experiment. So start by sterilizing all the democrats. Then see if the world is a better place. If so, you've found the problem. If not, move on to sterilizing the Greens and independents. That is the scientific method.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:30PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:30PM (#788816)

        No, the correct method is to sterilize the idiots, regardless of their political affiliation.

        -

        If you imagine only the Democrats or only the Republicans or only the people whose skin is a certain color are "the problem", and all other people are "ok", you have completely missed the point.

        -

        There is an oversupply of idiots and the need for those idiots is dropping at an accelerating rate. It's going to get very very ugly. You will see the US government institute universal basic income but that won't be enough to keep things calm. Just watch and you will see it happen, right before your eyes, within the next 20 years. Nothing Hollywood can cook up will come close in terms of horror.

    • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:35PM (2 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:35PM (#788818) Homepage

      I'd like to add, one of the reasons why one would have to be stupid to use Facebook is because they (like I) already had the chance to learn firsthand why having a social media account is a bad idea, from MySpace.

      When I had my MySpace I saw firsthand that it amplified all of the negative traits -- Talking shit, stalking, gossiping, bragging, being a big keeping up with the Jonses pissing-contest revolving who has the most awesome life, etc. -- of people and had very little benefit besides being able to instant message obscure people from your childhood who think you're a weirdo for trying to get in touch.

      Some would have argued that even getting a MySpace was an outwardly stupid idea, but regarding that I will hide behind the idiocy of my youth.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:03AM (1 child)

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:03AM (#788878) Journal

        What do you do when your employer requires you to get and use a Facebook account?

        • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:20AM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:20AM (#788888) Homepage

          Simple: If they don't want to hire you on account of not having a Facebook account, then don't pursue the job (with exceptions - If you are a big-shot or are applying for a public-facing job, then bite the bullet).

          If you feel you must, then adapt: Use the strictest privacy controls and generate some fake friends to have normal, healthy conversations with your public persona. I'm a bad person to ask, but there are plenty of experts elsewhere who could provide guidance in this matter.

          Real nerds have an easy way out of this if the job is highly technical: Just say that you are familiar with security and have a lack of faith considering data-breaches. Data-breaches are all figured in to the cost-benefit analysis and you'd rather not be one of the dumb ones, of course you will not say that all to their face. If a technical manage is dumb enough to challenge you in this matter, chances are that they've been hacked before and should understand.

    • (Score: 2) by Spamalope on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:14AM

      by Spamalope (5233) on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:14AM (#788822) Homepage

      Well, via things like their tools other devs build in they track everywhere, hoovering with abandon.
      So throw rocks in.
      If they're going to take everything, feed lots of false stuff and poison that database.

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:02AM

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:02AM (#788899) Homepage Journal

      How otherwise would I have ever found a now grown woman that I was smitten with in the fourth grade?

      My own second cousin.

      And my perennial example: my own first cousin Chuck Crawford. The man can code FORTRAN but can't use email, only Facebook and Facebook Messenger.

      He teaches at a graduate architectural school; that school's _entire_ website is a whole whack of PDFs.

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:04AM (2 children)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:04AM (#788901) Homepage Journal

      My own FB feed lets me know about:

      - Animal Cruelty
      - Human Trafficking
      - Saudi War Atrocities In Yemen
      - Innocent, Unarmed And Young Dead Black Man
      - Child Slavery In Chocolate Cultivation

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:44PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:44PM (#789033)

        I to, get news about those plantations because
        the best chocolate and coffee is produced by beaten children
        the more blood they spill, the more violence they endure, the better it taste

        • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @06:27PM

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @06:27PM (#789094) Homepage Journal

          That's why I purchase _only_ Fair Trade chocolate and coffee, and only hang at those cafes which serve it.

          Starbucks for one; that's the _specific_ reason I spend so much time here, and not at all because I'm into their payment app - I'm not and not at all for the coffee, but only because Someone Must Think Of The Children! ;-0

          --
          Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:31AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:31AM (#788827)

    is a really broad category.

    What Facebook does seems pretty low on the list.

    How about?
    Who's the President, or mayor, or Congresscritter, or state official?
    Where does food come from?

    Lets not make a list, it's depressing.

    Ok, just a fun one. During the lunar eclipse, point to the sun and moon.

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:59AM

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:59AM (#788898) Homepage Journal

      Trump, Obama, Dubya, Clinton, GHW Bush, Reagan: I study my history, as I'm related to a signer of the declaration of Independence.

      I'm often asked to "Count Backwards From Ninety-Three By Sevens". Before forward by thirteens, never from one forty-two.

      I do pretty good at memorizing three words then repeating them back at the end of the mental competency violation.

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:57AM (4 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:57AM (#788896) Homepage Journal

    Consider that there are lots of Jewish people in Syria. There were, anyway.

    I'm dead certain that Russia and Saudi Arabia uses Facebook as well as web and mobile analytics to rat out gays.

    As for me, I haven't listed any favorite books, music or movies despite that it would likely enable potential friends to determine whether we have any common interest. But someday I'll set it up so that I like Death Metal, 20th Century "Cat In A Garbage Can" music and Gregorian Chants.

    As for movies, there will be video game flicks, the entire Alien franchise and Chick Flicks.

    --
    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:23AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:23AM (#788962)

      "I Spit on Your Grave" is a good one, and "The Human Centipede". You'll definitely attract attention. Oh, and don't forget "Frankenstein's Army". Man! The Dutch, eh?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @08:05AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @08:05AM (#788984)

      Their 'algorithms' are fairly terrible. They think I am a rabid lefty. Not even close. The things they 'think' they know about me are wildly off. The only things that are correct are the the sorts of things if you asked nicely I would tell anyone. The internet has a long memory MDC. Remember that. Though you are wildly too late for that bit of knowledge. Your best bet is what you do now and lean in and hope people do not use google (unlikely these days). But good luck with that.

      • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:04AM

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:04AM (#788995) Homepage Journal

        This page [warplife.com] explains my _deadly_ serious reason for making that choice:

        It was the Spring 1997 Mass Suicide of the Heaven's Gate UFO Cult in San Diego:

        The entire world recoiled in horror as to _why_ thirty-eight talented young web designers and their UFO Cult Leader Marshall Applewhite committed suicide with such great enthusiasm that they all wore brand-new Nike High-Top Sneakers so as to be properly dressed for the occasion.

        _I_ knew why.

        What's more, I knew well before then how to pull that same stunt off myself: capture the minds of other people.

        It's not even difficult: none of those young people were mentally ill in any way, only Marshall Applewhite was.

        That man did not even make grammatical sense; neither do I, when I'm in his same frame of mind:

        Nike: Just Do It. (R)

        --
        Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
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