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posted by martyb on Wednesday March 27 2019, @05:20AM   Printer-friendly
from the beware-the-circling-vampires dept.

For the first time ever, the FAA has approved the routine commercial use of drones to carry a product.

The WakeMed program will start by flying patients’ medical samples one-third of a mile (.5 kilometer) from a medical park to the main hospital building for lab testing at least six times a day five days a week, Matternet CEO Andreas Raptopoulos said in an interview. Vials of blood or other specimens will be loaded into a secure box and carried to a drone launching pad, where they will be fastened to the aircraft and flown to another building. He said the flights will technically be within sight of operators on either end of the route, and they are authorized to fly above people.

Samples are typically driven on the ground and the goal of this project is to cut down how long it typically takes to transport time-sensitive samples to their destination for testing.

the North Carolina program could expand to flying miles-long routes between Raleigh-area WakeMed buildings in the coming months, Raptopoulos said. He also said medical specimen flights could start at one or two more hospitals in other cities later in 2019.

Other approvals by the FAA have been for limited tests and demos.

North Carolina is one of nine sites participating in the FAA’s pilot program to accelerate integrating drones for new uses ranging from utility inspections to insurance claims. The test sites get leeway trying new innovations while working closely with the federal officials in charge of regulating the drones.

Can we get a black-helicopter drone that doesn't make any noise?


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  • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Wednesday March 27 2019, @05:50AM (6 children)

    by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 27 2019, @05:50AM (#820499) Journal

    Drones in this case are just an expensive and noisy gimmick. They're not talking about rural Australia or rural Africa. However, there's close to zero chance that they'll grow up and install a pneumatic post system like hospitals used to have. So the neighborhood is going to be stuck with these buzzing annoyances disturbing the peace at all hours and, occasionally, falling out of the sky on their own.

    I'm not favorably impressed by that, though it looks like the board and owners may be. Apparently they plan to expand the program to cover many more buildings. That's a problem but not the biggest one. The big deal here is that FAA approval for this will allow it in many other hazardous and foolish scenarios governed by people with more dollars than sense.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday March 27 2019, @06:32AM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 27 2019, @06:32AM (#820510) Journal

      So the neighborhood is going to be stuck with these buzzing annoyances disturbing the peace at all hours

      It it not impossible to find solutions for the buzzing.
      E.g. [newscientist.com] [note the date: 2015]

      The GL-10 is the latest in a series of prototypes from NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia. It is made from carbon fibre and has a wingspan of 3 metres. But its most unusual feature is the large number of engines, with eight on the wings and another two on the tail. One aim of this is to generate efficient electric propulsion, but the project also solves the problem of aircraft noise: several small motors are quieter than a few large ones.

      The GL-10 also boasts novel Leading Edge Asynchronous Propeller (LEAP) technology, which prevents the sound from the propellers combining into one loud noise or harmonic.

      “Since we have many propellers, we can operate every motor at slightly different rpm [revolutions per minute],” says project controller Mark Moore. “We have a whole bunch of smaller harmonics and can spread them out across the frequencies. We call this frequency-spectrum spreading, and it’s only possible because we have many propellers and very precise digital control of them.”

      This spectrum spreading means that the GL-10 is inaudible when it flies overhead at 30 metres. It can take off vertically, making it ideal as an urban parcel courier for payloads of 5 kilograms or less.

      So, yes, having almost quiet black-helicopter drones is possible.

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      • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Wednesday March 27 2019, @07:57AM (2 children)

        by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 27 2019, @07:57AM (#820542) Journal

        Yes, but 30m is already more or less out of shotgun range...

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday March 27 2019, @10:23AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 27 2019, @10:23AM (#820569) Journal

          Yes, but 30m is already more or less out of shotgun range...

          I'm at lost with this one.

          So the neighborhood is going to be stuck with these buzzing annoyances disturbing the peace at all hours and, occasionally, falling out of the sky on their own.

          Since they can be silent at 30m, do you suggest that the peace disturbance will be caused by shotguns shots and, occasionally, some "falling out of the sky on their own" because they fly out of shotgun range anyway (so they either must fall on their own or don't fall at all)?

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        • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:49AM

          by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:49AM (#821095) Journal

          Pretty close for skeet/birdshot. Of course you can extend that significantly with larger (better carrying) shot sizes, longer barrels, and 3.5" magnum shells

          https://www.blog.thegunsandgearstore.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Game-Use.jpg [thegunsandgearstore.com]

          Think how much do you have to hate yourself to shoot 10ga 3.5" Magnum loaded with 000?

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 27 2019, @02:37PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 27 2019, @02:37PM (#820661) Journal

      So the neighborhood is going to be stuck with these buzzing annoyances disturbing the peace at all hours and, occasionally, falling out of the sky on their own.

      I think that there is another application for Drones. In addition to buzzing, annoying and disturbing the peace, which could still be part of their intended mission.

      Drones could swoop down out of the sky and collect blood samples from unsuspecting pedestrians. Then fly those samples to the blood collecting mother ship.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by urza9814 on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:37PM

      by urza9814 (3954) on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:37PM (#821295) Journal

      Drones in this case are just an expensive and noisy gimmick. They're not talking about rural Australia or rural Africa. However, there's close to zero chance that they'll grow up and install a pneumatic post system like hospitals used to have. So the neighborhood is going to be stuck with these buzzing annoyances disturbing the peace at all hours and, occasionally, falling out of the sky on their own.

      A pneumatic system would probably be cheaper and easier for this test installation, as it sounds like they're practically flying the thing next door. But if it was expected to be viable by itself, it wouldn't be a test installation, it would just be an installation. Running pneumatic tubes across several miles as they plan to do with these drones in the future would be quite a bit more difficult (particularly if they don't own the property in between), and also a lot less flexible should they need to add or relocate facilities in the future.

      As for the noise and falling drones concerns...that's up to the FAA to regulate. But given that these are being used to carry medical tests, I imagine one of the primary concerns would actually be the test samples getting into someone else's hands. Violating patient privacy is a pretty serious offense -- my company once faced millions of dollars *per day* in fines just because our developers (who do get annual HIPAA training and such) could view PHI in our production database, so if that kind of data gets into the hands of non-employees then the medical center is likely going to be facing a massive shitstorm. Even if they don't care about the drone falling on someone's head, they probably know better than to let the test samples drop, so those drones ought to be pretty robust. Also the possibility of falling vials of potentially infected blood...so many potential lawsuits here they'd better be damn careful. But that would be why they're testing it by flying the things next door for now...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @06:17AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @06:17AM (#820504)

    Oh boy I can't wait for people to point out that these could fall out the sky while ignoring the car crashes which currently occur.

    Maybe they'll even complain about the noise while the ambient roar of cars goes ignored.

    • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Wednesday March 27 2019, @07:34AM (1 child)

      by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 27 2019, @07:34AM (#820536) Journal

      ... the car crashes which currently occur.

      That assertion is an example of fallacy of relative privation [wikipedia.org], a subset of red-herring or distraction fallacies.

      Yes, traffic noise from badly designed tires is also a problem but it is too late to nip that one in the bud. Same for the rridiculously large number of traffic deaths annually [streetsblog.org], and not even counting injuries. The motor vehicle industry is pervasive in mind share and backed within government by enormous lobbying. Drones are still minor and have not yet gained approval. So at least for now it is feasible to address the problem of drones. If we wait, it won't be.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @09:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @09:10AM (#820553)

        The alternative to drones is cars/bikes, the safety of cars/bikes is relevant.

        A better option than accepting car noise as you want is to push for noise limits to be part of the regulations governing drones.

  • (Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday March 27 2019, @09:45AM (2 children)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday March 27 2019, @09:45AM (#820558) Homepage Journal

    They said he could turn a wedding into a funeral with his Drones. And they gave him a Nobel Peace Prize, can you believe it?

    I'm the first guy to say, just a minute, what if we used our Drones to save lives? Instead of kill, kill, killing. We call it, Droning for Peace. And if the Nobel Prizes are fair I'll be getting one for approving the beautiful Blood Drones. To go with the prizes for bringing Peace to Israel, to Korea, to Venezuela & Middle East. Need a bigger mantelpiece!! 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @10:38AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @10:38AM (#820571)

      We call it, Droning for Peace.

      Meh, whatevs. Better then droning for piss I s'ppose.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 27 2019, @02:33PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 27 2019, @02:33PM (#820659) Journal

      Dear Mr. President,

      Your Peace Drones should use a telescoping camera lens.

      I saw a cell phone camera with a telescoping lens. The best lens. I promise. The telescoping lens pops out a tiny bit. Like the president's tiny misshapen mushroom.

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  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday March 27 2019, @08:55PM (1 child)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday March 27 2019, @08:55PM (#820937)

    They need to upgrade the blood-carrying drones with tools to extract it on the fly for maximum efficiency ;)

    The Attack of the Vampire Drone Swarm

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    • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:52AM

      by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:52AM (#821099) Journal

      Reminiscent of the original submission department

      from the add needles to draw samples directly and call them 'Dronecula' dept

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