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posted by Fnord666 on Monday October 07 2019, @08:45AM   Printer-friendly
from the rfid-tagged-cards dept.

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Stones Gambling Hall pulls plug on livestreamed poker games after cheating allegations against regular player

Stones Gambling Hall in Sacramento, California says it will not livestream poker games pending an investigation into cheating allegations made against one of the game's players, Mike Postle.

Postle has been a regular on "Stones Live," a live poker game streamed on Twitch. His success in the game has raised eyebrows.

The original accusations were made by Veronica Brill, another poker player who has played with Postle on "Stones Live." Since then, others have come forward with similar complaints.

Brill has no specific accusation of what Postle is doing and even admits that she can't be sure he is cheating. So why does she think he is cheating? His results are too good, according to Brill.

She said (and several professional pokers players who talked to CNBC, agreed) no one could do as well as he has, for as long as he has, on these livestreamed games.

Postle has not yet responded to CNBC's request for comment. He has defended himself on Twitter as well as on a poker podcast, "The Mouthpiece with Mike Matusow," saying "it is absolutely impossible for me to be doing what they're claiming. It is 1000% impossible."

[...] In a statement Stones Gambling Hall said: "We temporarily halted all broadcasts from Stones. We have also, as a result, halted the use of RFID playing cards."

The RFID cards contain chips, that combined with readers in the poker table, transmit information about each player's hole cards, so that viewers can see the cards on the broadcast (which is on a 30-minute delay to protect game integrity).

At this point, there is no specific allegation, no "smoking gun" as Berkey said. But many pros are pointing to those RFID cards and the hole card information, saying it's just not possible for Postle to play the way he does and win the way he does.


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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 07 2019, @09:00AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 07 2019, @09:00AM (#903638) Journal

    WCPGW - or, what could possibly go wrong?

    I have no idea if the guy is cheating. I don't even much care if he's cheating. Maybe he's just having a seemingly impossible run of extremely good luck. But, if the house is supplying the means by which to cheat, who can blame the guy for cheating? Gotta do unto others, before they do unto you, right?

    Alright, that's not quite how I feel. Fuck cheaters, but I'm still amused that the house is supplying the means.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Vokbain on Monday October 07 2019, @10:05AM (6 children)

    by Vokbain (2372) on Monday October 07 2019, @10:05AM (#903645)

    This should have been easy to test. Simply swap out the cards for regular ones without telling anyone and see what happens. Go through the motions so it looks like a regular game.

    If his system isn’t working suddenly, I’m sure a change in his behaviour would be easy enough to spot without even waiting to see the rest of the game.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by shrewdsheep on Monday October 07 2019, @10:08AM (4 children)

      by shrewdsheep (5215) on Monday October 07 2019, @10:08AM (#903646)

      Or even better, change the coding of cards and see him loose.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 07 2019, @11:31AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 07 2019, @11:31AM (#903660)

        This. Should have easy to order a pack with altered identification and compare each player's performance.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 07 2019, @11:48AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 07 2019, @11:48AM (#903663) Journal

        I like it. If he continued to win, then you either chalk it up to luck, or you go looking for the insider who is supplying the player with info.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 07 2019, @03:17PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 07 2019, @03:17PM (#903722)

        See him loose what?

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday October 07 2019, @04:53PM

          by Bot (3902) on Monday October 07 2019, @04:53PM (#903756) Journal

          See him loose a slew of expletives, obviously.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by zocalo on Monday October 07 2019, @01:37PM

      by zocalo (302) on Monday October 07 2019, @01:37PM (#903686)
      Pretty much this. They've already removed the livestream, so logically they need to either remove the RFID based cards or (better still) change the RFID schema for a different one that returns a valid but shuffled deck in the old one. Let Mike Postle continue to play and if his successes continue at a similar rate then I'd say he's free and clear since that would seem to indicate he's either a very good player or currently enjoying a very long lucky streak. If his performance co-incidentally goes off a cliff then it might not be solid proof of any wrong-doing on his part, but either way people are going to draw their own conclusions and decide accordingly whether to play against him or not.
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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Fnord666 on Monday October 07 2019, @01:07PM (3 children)

    by Fnord666 (652) on Monday October 07 2019, @01:07PM (#903679) Homepage
    This is very interesting. I had no idea this was how they determined the hole cards for players on live events. Begs to be gamed though.
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by hemocyanin on Monday October 07 2019, @04:57PM (2 children)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Monday October 07 2019, @04:57PM (#903758) Journal

      The older method was to use a camera. In some games you'll see a glass pane on the table and players are expected to expose their cards to the camera underneath. Alternatively, some tables have cameras in the rail point horizontally across the table, and a player would peak at the cards in the normal fashion and expose the hole cards to the camera.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 07 2019, @09:36PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 07 2019, @09:36PM (#903848)

        Occasionally it would go wrong and the camera wouldn't see the cards, but the rail cam worked 99% of the time. But it's probably cheaper this way as you don't need special tables, and you needed a human operator to read and input the cards.

        I expect the players didn't like the glass pane setup as it interrupts their normal routine.

      • (Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Wednesday October 09 2019, @12:22PM

        by Fnord666 (652) on Wednesday October 09 2019, @12:22PM (#904670) Homepage

        The older method was to use a camera. In some games you'll see a glass pane on the table and players are expected to expose their cards to the camera underneath. Alternatively, some tables have cameras in the rail point horizontally across the table, and a player would peak at the cards in the normal fashion and expose the hole cards to the camera.

        Thanks. This is what I've seen in the past on the rare occasion when I've watched poker.

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