The Iowa caucuses aren't over yet. A delay in the results meant the state Democratic Party did not call the race Monday night as expected, leaving the candidates and their supporters in limbo.
In a brief statement he read to reporters over the phone shortly after 2 a.m. ET, Iowa Democratic Party Chair Troy Price said, "At this point the [Iowa Democratic Party] is manually verifying all precinct results. We expect to have numbers to report later today."
[...] "The app that was intended to relay Caucus results to the Party failed; the Party's back-up telephonic reporting system likewise has failed. Now, we understand that Caucus Chairs are attempting to — and, in many cases, failing to — report results telephonically to the Party. These acute failures are occurring statewide," Remus said.
[...] Despite the denials from the [Iowa Democratic Party] that anything was wrong with the app, multiple county chairs on Monday night told NPR that there were, in fact, malfunctions that delayed reporting.
[...] "There has been a lot of concerns from the get-go about the security of the system. Why? Well, because we know that there are plenty of interests that would just as soon thwart the accurate reporting of results. So as a result, security has been a major issue," Meyer said. "And yet the security of the system becomes an issue in part because you have all these volunteers in 1,700 different precincts, a lot of the volunteers are not going to be technologically sophisticated."
Update: Nevada Democratic Party abandons problematic app used in Iowa caucuses
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:31PM (1 child)
I hope not in a DC-10... [ytimg.com]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:10PM
No. The people who programmed the election machines have previous experience programming the Boeing 737 Max.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:36PM (2 children)
Bernie keeps winning. It must be a system problem, there's no way people could be smart enough to not vote for our pet candidates!
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:15PM (1 child)
Fixed that for you.
(Score: 4, Funny) by DECbot on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:47PM
Wait, didn't Trump have Russia develop systemd to ensure the corporate establishment Democrats keep winning to secure Brexit?
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:36PM (81 children)
It's really hard not to find it at least weird that Sanders is face stomping everybody in the polls and suddenly the traditional final poll ends up not getting published because of unclear reasons. Now he almost certainly stomped everybody in the primary (the latest poll, which was done by Emerson, had him at 28-21 over Biden) and suddenly their are technical issues preventing publication.
This is also a genuine comment. I mean I think it would be beyond idiotic to try to conspire in any way here. There are thousands of people that are going to be actively investigating the published results and with such a huge margin of expected victory you'd have to rig it super hard. This isn't like a 51-49 that could go either way. And the caucus system itself also means there are relatively few votes that need to be validated. Yet there are so many really weird coincidences here. I haven't even hit on Buttgag's connection to the software developers (who were named Shadow, no less) and his decision to now declare victory in spite of polling for crap everywhere. So, again, it's just really weird.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:43PM (12 children)
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/480068-buttigieg-iowa-app-shadow/ [rt.com]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:15PM (11 children)
You do realize that you are referencing rt.com [wikipedia.org] as your source, right? Or was that intentional?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:00PM (4 children)
Why not? They're more reliable on US politics than any US media outlet. That's not saying they're actually reliable, just more so than our domestic sources.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:16PM (3 children)
You just jumped the buzzard with that one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @12:29AM (1 child)
And you have been jumped by the buzzard.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @12:48AM
Now buzz off both of you.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:27AM
If you think so, you need to cut way down on your Kool-Aid consumption.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:33AM (5 children)
If you are going to diss rt.com, then what sources do you have?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:41AM (4 children)
Well, how about credible ones, for a start? Did you actually read the wiki page referenced? You do realize that RT is little more than a Kremlin mouthpiece, right? That does not mean they are wrong, of course. But,...hell!...surely you could come up with something better than a Russian propaganda outlet?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:46AM (1 child)
What exactly is that little more that you mention?
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:14AM
Putin rigs a coin toss for Buttigeig: https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1224731240793767936?s=20 [twitter.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:29AM
Damned right! Cite CNN or FNC! We want our propaganda Made In America, damnit!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @04:41AM
You should actually read the page you mentioned. It's full of weasel word allegations, but in terms of actual evidence - next to none is provided.
RT does not delete stories. Everything they've posted, ever, is still right there on the site. You should be able to create a bullet point list, with the articles, showing exactly what was false. You'll find nobody does this, because they rarely post anything that's overtly false. Instead you'll find pages like this [euvsdisinfo.eu] random site, which is extensively referenced on the Wiki page. It claims to do something similar to what I'm describing, yet it does not. When they do link to RT stories, it's invariably stories in Russian enabling them to say whatever they want because they know near 100% of people who visit such a site will not speak Russian.
Fortunately, I speak a little Russian and there are also fancy things like auto-translation devices. Russian sometimes translates somewhat coarsely, but it's still usually at least generally accurate. As an example that page claims this [youtube.com] is an RT story claiming that "in the West, microchips are implanted under the skin of office workers to make them more submissive and passive." First off, that is an entertainment clip, not a news one, entitled - 'wild charge'. Beyond this what is stated in the video is not what is claimed. The video mentions that, at the time, some small number of employees in the EU had been microchipped.
This is accurate and also reported by sites such as The Guardian [theguardian.com]. The video did not claim these chips were implanted to make them submissive and passive, it instead drew a parallel to the way that power structures tend to label their property - ranchers brand their cows, pimps tattoo their whores, and so on. And now we have companies 'encouraging' employees to get microchipped. It drew an analog between the way that, in the west, now a man taking a nice of an ass in a short skirt could be considered sexual harassment, let alone asking her to dress in such a way. Whereas the people getting microchipped generally do not see any problem with such behavior, and there's relatively little demonization of companies 'offering' microchips for their employees. Looking at intentionally provocative ass = bad, getting microchipped by company = ok. He concludes this by suggesting that we in the west are becoming an obedient and passive people.
It's an entertainment clip, not a news piece - yet even there one that's not simply making things up. Rather ironically unlike the site that links to it in claims of "fighting disinformation." What many do not realize is how propaganda heavy the US media is. RT has on numerous times embarrassed our propaganda. For instance they reported that the fake news about Maduro attacking aid convoys was, well fake, weeks before the western media chose to acknowledge that as well. If you'd like, I can provide sources there. In any case, these sort of things make them a threat. And most Americans have become obedient and passive. Tell them something is 'bad propaganda' and they'll simply listen and believe, without actually bothering to try to verify it themselves - comforting themselves with lovely fact filled impartial and objective stories from the New York Times.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:00PM (31 children)
Conspiracy should be your default assumption, not an explanation that requires some exceptional bar of proof. People always conspire all the time. I mean, the DNC just did pretty much the same thing to Sanders in 2016. This is what was in the DNC emails:
https://newspunch.com/wikileaks-bernie-sanders-plant-primaries-rigged/ [newspunch.com]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:05PM (27 children)
Yes, clearly assuming things and not requiring silly things like proof is the way to go!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:12PM (2 children)
Well when they did such things before it is perfectly reasonable to expect they would do them again. Now if you want to talk punishment, then yeah proof is needed. In the meantime I will just presume all sorts of DNC fuckery happening yet again.
The corporate machine has been working overtime to marginalize Sanders, but his track record speaks for itself. Hmm, perhaps there is a limit to how far you can push a human being. The Republicans did it with Trump, forcing the GOP to accept him. The Democrats are doing the same with Sanders, but corporate interests don't align with his platform so we aren't seeing the same forced acceptance.
I would hope the conservatives around here would take note, the masters do not want Sanders and so ipso facto Sanders is who you should vote for! His "socialist" policies are not true socialism, the only reason to bring that up is if you're scared of the Nordic model.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:11PM (1 child)
You do realize this caucus was run by the Iowa Democratic Party, NOT the DNC, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @11:24PM
Right, that totally precludes any interference from the DNC *eyeroll*
We know the corporations have bought out politicians, we know they manipulate the media, why we you assume they have not pushed their influence into the lynchpin state caucuses?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, the DNC was corrupted for sure in 2016 to push HRC and the party-liners went along with it. You can not create a good movement by starting out with corruption, and now that the cat is out of the box we have observed the process has been corrupted and requires extra scrutiny.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:11PM (23 children)
Yeah, just like impeachment.
Trump will be the DNC candidate
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:14PM (3 children)
Is that possible? Can Trump run as both Democrat and Republican against himself, which would finally prove once and for all it is the same party?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:34PM (2 children)
Well, not technically, but the DNC is perfectly happy to have him or any republican win before they allow any damn liberals on the ticket. They have a long history of doing this, most famously in 1968...
There should never be any doubt that the DNC/GOP is a single party playing high drama very effectively. It's a shame that people won't turn their backs. It doesn't reflect kindly on them, and the consequences are global.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:41AM (1 child)
So...You're asserting that Sirhan Sirhan [wikipedia.org] was a DNC operative?
Damn, Fusty! You need to lay off the sauce for a bit.
(Score: 2, Informative) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 05 2020, @06:28AM
So...You're asserting that Sirhan Sirhan was a DNC operative?
No, you meathead, I'm talking about Humphrey's nomination at the convention despite having the least number of votes.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 05 2020, @12:34AM (18 children)
Trump has been the DNC candidate for the past 5 years or so. The DNC gives him free publicity, going out of their way to ensure that Trump's name is in the news every single day. Name recognition is vital for any winning politician. The rest of the D candidates? Hell, I can't even pronounce Buttgig without laughing. Who were the rest again? What happened to our smiling female veteran? And - and - and . . . BIDEN?!?! He had one job to do, and he did it - prop up the first black president. It's past time for him to retire to some dry old history book now.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:50AM (10 children)
Still butthurt that a black man was elected POTUS by a comfortable electoral lead twice, eh? Does it just gnaw away at your soul that a black man bested your white heroes in a fair election? Exactly who will be the one retired to "some dry old history book"? I have my own theory, of course.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:03AM (9 children)
The Dems have a monopoly on butthurt these days. But, go ahead and project your own racist bullshit on me. Fact is, Biden was the VP to the first black president. And, the potential female candidates won't even consider him as a running mate. Biden just ain't presidential material. Do you get it now? Do we need a bigger clue bat?
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:17AM (6 children)
Then explain your comment of Biden propping up the first black president. A woman is the last I'd expect to choose Biden, your comments seem to be a little wonky, I blame this impeachment drama threatening to destroy the US and do away with our little pretense of democracy.
Even YOU are finally getting it, and your brain is busy trying to rebuild a coherent world view. TDS indeed, but as with most things political the truth is the cure.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 05 2020, @06:39AM (2 children)
If I've got to explain how the VP props up a president, we're both wasting out time.
Oh, wait, was I not supposed to notice that Obama was black? Or half black, or whatever? Every time a person shows his/her face on television, the color of their skin is readily apparent. Even I would notice one lone non-white face out of 50 - now 51. I suppose there may be some guys whose color vision is that bad, but I'm not one of them.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @07:25AM (1 child)
You and other AC have different meanings of "prop up".
I am assuming you mean construction type "provide additional support" which any VP should do.
AC is inferring that you think Biden's support is the only thing that held up Obama.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 05 2020, @08:19AM
We could split the difference between my "prop up" and his. If we made a crazy assumption that Biden was actually useful during the Obama years, then Obama wasn't really competent to be where he was. And at the same time, maybe Biden really is qualified to be president? Mehhhh - don't need Biden to demonstrate that Obama and about 30 other presidents were less than competent, do we? I'm being generous if I allow that 20 presidents were competent, aren't I?
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @07:38AM (2 children)
I will explain to you why Biden was chosen to be Obama's vice president.
As, I believe it was, Chris Rock explained in one of his comedy shows, the reason you will not see a black male as vice president to a white male president, is because every black in the country would try to kill that white president. He said it, not me, but when blacks tell me they're murderous thugs, I believe them.
Since Democrats always project, they assumed that the rest of the country is just as racist as they are, and that if there was a black president, every white in the country would want to kill the black president. Only by having an obvious and utter idiot as vice president could they forestall the march of the murdering whites to slay the sainted Obama.
That's why Biden was Obama's vice president.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @11:30PM (1 child)
" He said it, not me, but..."
lol, "Now I'm not racist buuuuuut...."
Ok buddy, you're super not racist and totally not taking a joke too seriously. Also, what is the time lag with conservatives ripping off liberal insults? Do your brains require a reboot time to process the emotional overload of being called out? Or are you so emotionally stunted that it takes months for the insults to bubble up to your conscious mind, then another few weeks to think of projecting the insults back at your critics?
No really, I'm curious, how do your brains operate?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 06 2020, @11:09PM
Oh no, I'm a racist. All white people are racist. Hadn't you heard?
I'm also informed by the most reliable sources that I'm an anti-semite, a misogynist, anti-gay, anti-muslim, anti-antifa, and anti-Earth. I no longer attempt to correct any of this.
As far as supposedly taking a joke too seriously, "many a true word hath been spoke in jest". But then that was said by some dead white male, so you probably wouldn't know anything about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:05PM (1 child)
Project? Pardon me but you were the one to suggest that Obama needed a white savior to "prop him up".
Oh, trust me, I get it. You have a problem with a black guy being our President. It just eats away at your gut. The world is moving past you and you will soon be relegated to the ash heap of history. I laugh at your neanderthal insecurities. Deal with it, ya racist gob!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:26PM
Actually, I have a problem with any guy being our president. I just don't like guys. I like girls. A lot. Elect a nice, sweet, matronly type, and I won't care what color she is. Just don't offer us another Beelzebub Clinton. That wasn't a woman, it was a harpy. I would call her a succubus, but those are supposed to be attractive. Clinton most definitely has NOT been attractive for 40 years, or more.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 4, Insightful) by GlennC on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:09AM (6 children)
I think that the Clinton campaign pushed Trump on the "Republicans" thinking that he would make Clinton appear to be more palatable.
I can imagine them thinking, "NOBODY is stupid enough to think that TRUMP is actually electable!"
They didn't realize:
1. Just how bad Clinton looked
2. Just how stupid the average American citizen is.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @07:35AM (4 children)
No. 2 Doesn't necessarily follow. They were presented with a choice of HRC or DJT. You admit that HRC looked bad. It could quite easily have been a rational and informed judgement that even though DJT looked bad, HRC looked worse.
Personally I would have picked DJT over HRC because of a strong suspicion that HRC was likely to get the USA involved in shooting wars with Iran, and with Russia in Syria. DJT would have to be really bad to be worse than a another war in the M.E. let alone a hot war with Russia.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @11:33PM (3 children)
Have you just completely ignored the news for a while now? Trump nearly started a war with Iran. He has destabilized the middle east and all analysis points to it helping Russian interests. He has harmed the US economy with stupid tariffs and trade wars in order to make some of his friends a little wealthier.
I can accept that someone voted for him thinking he would be better than HRC at least, but you should really acknowledge how reality is actually playing out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 06 2020, @03:12AM (2 children)
News regarding Trump? Yes.
It is so obviously biased that it is completely unreliable. Everything is an "The End of the World and it's all Trump's Fault" story. Until it doesn't happen and the story is quietly dropped in favor of the next fabricated hit piece.
Try this. The next "Trump is a Disaster" story you see in the news, take note of all the details. Try to abstract the 'facts' from the outrage. Make a note of them. Follow it up a couple of weeks later, and see how many of them are still 'facts' and how the disaster turned out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 06 2020, @10:03PM (1 child)
Ah yes the old "we didn't all die in nuclear holocaust so everything is fine no big deal look at the squirrel!" defense.
I already listed the things he has done and you just hand-wave them off like they don't matter just because the news cycle hasn't fixated on it or they didn't literally start WW3.
There is no point discussing things with people like you, you're not interested in anything beyond your established world view.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 07 2020, @09:31AM
Rather vague accusations. Care to make them any clearer, and maybe add some citations.
Anyway, guessing at your actual references here, but:
1/ The missile that killed Qassem Soleimani. It was fired into Iraq, an area ostensibly under US control. It might not have been a nice thing to do, but in no way would it trigger a war.
2/ Compared to HRC's planned campaigns in Syria and Iran, I think the world is still ahead on that one.
3/ The one's screaming about the tariffs are the 1% who make a lot of their money shipping jobs to poor countries. He might be slightly harming the economy overall based on pure dollar numbers, but if it is helping the other 99% then I can put up with the 1% going through some financial pain.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @09:46AM
I didn't vote in 2016 or in 2012, voted Obama in 2008. In hindsight I would have voted for Trump in 2016.
The reason's simple. Clinton made no secret of her lust for imperialism and war. Her cackling over Gaddafi's death as 'We saw, we came, he died.' [youtube.com] is nothing short of psychopathic. That's when you're doing that crap in person. As part of an interview that will be broadcast to the nation? That woman is simply screwed up the head something fierce. Since Trump won and the DNC has run with Russian conspiracy theories since day 0, it's clear that they very much want a new cold war - if not a hot one. I mean it's not like all of this will just end when a democratic candidate wins. It's going to be segued into a justification for war.
Americans spent the better part of the century thinking each day could very well be their last due to nuclear annihilation. And in fact it did very nearly come to that multiple times. Would I be alive today if not for Stanislav Petrov deciding to effectively sacrifice himself to prevent nuclear war? I don't know the answer to that question, and that's an uncomfortable thought. I fear when another establishment democrat gets into office we're headed into the Cold War 2.0. I was fortunate enough to not live through the first one, at least not of any age to have any understanding of what was going on. And I'm in no rush to reclaim that missed experienced.
If Bernie wins, he gets my vote since he seems to be liberal without the stupidity of the neo-democrats. If he doesn't, Trump will be getting my vote. I wouldn't call the people who voted for Hillary stupid (except for those who voted for her primarily because she has a pussy), but I would call them deeply misled. Hillary would not be a good president. She would make Trump look like the great uniter, while also dragging the US into unimaginable (and unwinnable) new conflicts abroad for reasons that are best dubious.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:03PM (2 children)
Gotta ask yourself which is more likely. That the Dems tried to get away with fixing the results in a glaringly obvious way or that a code monkey wrote a bug? Yeah, I know, they're both a near certainty.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:26PM (1 child)
And the next day..... he was MURDERED!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 05 2020, @12:35AM
Huh-uh! He Arkancided!
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 4, Informative) by ikanreed on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:20PM (13 children)
What you're missing is that they don't care about the actual delegate counts from Iowa. It'd be nice to steal the election itself, but it's far better, and requires no law-breaking, to brew media narratives about who has "momentum". That's the only thing Iowa provides the process.
If they can provide very craftily cherry picked results when they "release numbers for 50% of precincts" at 4PM CST today, and those numbers just happen to lean a little more buttwards than the whole of the caucus, well that's innocent, right? "We just had trouble tallying the numbers, and under pressure had to give incomplete information"
(Score: 3, Interesting) by ikanreed on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:15PM (9 children)
Is it reasonable to say "called it!"?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:35PM (8 children)
Only if the results change materially at 100% reporting.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:44AM (7 children)
Come back to this post in a week then.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:16PM (6 children)
71% reporting, Buttigieg has extended his lead.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:18PM (5 children)
While somehow falling even further behind in actual votes. One week, they'll announce the full results after NH, I'm sure of it.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:29PM (4 children)
Nope, it shrunk.
At 62% it was Sanders has 27,088 to Buttigieg’s 23,666. [cnn.com] for a difference of 3,422.
At 71% its Sanders 32,772 vs Buttigieg 31,458 [politico.com] for a difference of 1,314.
Look, I like Sanders! But these Trumpian conspiracy theories are driving me nuts!
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday February 05 2020, @05:33PM (2 children)
One week. I'll acknowledge if I'm wrong. I promise.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday February 05 2020, @09:50PM (1 child)
Welp, with the Black Hawk county thing [twitter.com], I'm gonna go ahead and say "I was wrong" because they're actually changing vote totals to lower sanders by hundreds of votes against the precinct records, which is much worse than cherry picking results to report.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Friday February 07 2020, @07:17PM
It gets worse and worse and worse. [twitter.com]
I don't think there's a non-conspiracy way to interpret this data as legitimate errors should be pseudorandom in effect.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Thursday February 20 2020, @05:14PM
Hey, turns out I was right, also, though, merely one week was a horrendous underestimate for when actual SDEs would be done being figured out. [cnn.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @04:48AM (2 children)
Most people don't understand that both the DNC and GOP/RNC are private organizations. The "votes" we have are a formality. It's a formality that is generally strictly abided because otherwise the organizations would collapse due to a lack of faith, but the point I make here is that there's no laws to break if they chose to rig the votes or ignore them.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday February 05 2020, @04:34PM (1 child)
No, incorrect. Almost every state has laws, actual legal-ass written laws, about how primaries are executed. They live in the awful space of being both public and private. My state, for example, has laws against any party having 2 candidates on the final presidential ballot, and the candidate that does appear must won an democratically run primary.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 06 2020, @04:28AM
Which state? Not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to look at the laws there because this is news to me. I completely expect laws against having two candidates from the same party on the final ballot since states do you have laws regarding general elections, but to hear about laws explicitly regarding primaries is somewhat surprising.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Jay on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:45PM (3 children)
You don't see a conspiracy but then you lay out a giant conspiracy?
Apparently you're from the humanities and just stumbled into this site, and you've never seen a botched high-profile tech rollout, and you've never been through programming hell where the specs don't exist, the goals shift daily, there aren't enough resources to get the job done, nobody has a plan for testing and documentation, and the deadline is barreling towards you like a train.
For most of us who have seen any small part of that scenario, what happened here doesn't take a conspiracy. It just takes a politician managing a tech project.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:50PM (2 children)
They deployed this app to everyone the night of the vote without testing it first. It requires a conspiracy of pretending they thought it would work.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:54PM
Actually a great idea to prevent the "Sanders stomped everyone" outcome they were afraid of. Now they have time to generate a new narrative.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Aegis on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:58PM
Where I work that's no conspiracy.
It's a fucking job requirement!
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:05PM (13 children)
Also, somehow Bloomberg wound up back in it after Booker and Kamala, Yang and Tulsi were excluded by the "rules."
At what point do the Bernie supporters walk away from the DNC?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Joe Desertrat on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:05PM (9 children)
People seem to keep forgetting that Sanders is not and has never been a Democrat. He's an independent, and before that he was a Republican. The Democrats clearly showed in 1972 that they value the party machinery more than they value winning an election, indeed they will do everything they can to sabotage the election if it means retaining control of the party.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:19PM (1 child)
“People?” I honestly don’t believe there is a single human alive on this planet who has been allowed to forget that, ever.
On which planet do these people of your reside?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @06:18AM
On what planet was that “offtopic?”
I’m no Berniebro by a long shot, but if there is one thing the entire population of !Berniebros (Berniebros’ ?) absolutely will not shut the fuck up about, it is the outrage that he is not a Democrat, so this notion that “one thing people forget about” is that very thing is absolute horseshit.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 05 2020, @06:36AM (5 children)
The Democrats clearly showed in 1972 that they value the party machinery more than they value winning an election, indeed they will do everything they can to sabotage the election if it means retaining control of the party.
I believe that was 1968, but they finalized the process in '72, using Nixon as the foil. 2016 and 2020 are nothing more than reruns.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Thursday February 06 2020, @10:38PM (4 children)
In '68 McCarthy more or less sabotaged himself in the primaries, allowing Humphrey to emerge as the candidate. In '72 McGovern was an outsider but had gained control over who would represent the party at the convention. He could have shut the likes of Hubert Humphrey, Richard Daley and George Meany out, but instead he offered them a role. In "gratitude", they stabbed him in the back, even voicing support for Nixon to keep McGovern out of the White House, where he might have permanently solidified the end of the "old guard's" control over the party machinery. Had he kept to the tack that got him the nomination, he would not have had the Eagleton disaster, but could have campaigned for president on the same platform that got him the nomination with a far more supportive cast, and would have pushed Nixon (to who knows what end of course, everyone else that could have kept Nixon out of the White House ended up getting shot) far harder in the general election.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 06 2020, @11:11PM (3 children)
He could have shut the likes of Hubert Humphrey, Richard Daley and George Meany out, but instead he offered them a role.
Yes, under orders from the Party. There is no choice. The candidate serves and represents the Party in no uncertain terms. No offer can be refused. "Either your brains or your signature will be on the contract". This isn't politics, it's gangsterism.
I would love to see their reaction if we voted the house clean
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:18PM (2 children)
and take the Senate with them.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:34PM (1 child)
Yeah, we can get a lot of them out. We have to wait until '22 and '24 toss the rest.
Regardless of the chances, after all, it is a hopeless dream, it is the only way to undo the past as best as we can. But for now, over 95% will still vote DNC/GOP and carry us deeper into the abyss for it
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Sunday February 09 2020, @11:16PM
Yes, it's sad. The fastest way to get their attention would be to have near 100% voter turnout AND vote out every incumbent. And keep doing it until things start to get better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 06 2020, @10:44PM
This is incorrect. Bernie has been a socialist/communist his entire career.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by GlennC on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:03AM (2 children)
They walk away when Bernie walks toward the Green Party.
In other words, NEVER.
Senator Sellout provides the DNC with a useful service, one for which he is well paid. He keeps people from defecting by fooling them into thinking he'll win. After he gets his payoff and drops out the "Democrats" can badger his supporters into voting "Blue No Matter Who."
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:13AM (1 child)
You might be right. It rather describes all the "progressive" candidates in the Democratic Party who have run in the last 25 years.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @04:56AM
He's not right, in the least.
Last election upwards of 10% [npr.org] of Sanders supporters ended up voting for Trump. And this election, something like 50% of Sanders supporters state he's the only candidate they'd be willing to vote for. If Sanders doesn't win the primary, the democrats are going to lose and probably quite hard. In spite of nonstop propaganda, when you look at the actual numbers Trump's approval rating is currently 49% [gallup.com]. At this point in time in his presidency, Obama's approval rating was 46% [gallup.com]. And those numbers are even more extreme when you look at what matters. Obama had some mild approval from republicans. Trump's approval from democrats is near 0. What that translates to is Trump is scoring significantly better with his base and with independents than Obama was.
And beyond this, the DNC mouthpiece media such as the New York Times is clearly scared shitless of Sanders. If they actually wanted to use him as a tool for rallying certain types of supports you won't get from a Biden or Bloomberg, they wouldn't spend every second of coverage they give on him trying to bash both him and his supporters.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:41PM
It's hard to rig it to come out contrary to the vote with the margin that big. Harder still to do so without leaving a smoking gun. Much easier to rig it to not come out at all. Then to put the last nail in the coffin, Buttegeg accidentally (or 'accidentally') published a no longer secret PIN on twitter making sure that if they are forced to eventually cough up an answer, it's tainted.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:58PM
The party elites want you to vote for their choice of candidate.
But you keep voting for Sanders, against their wishes.
That is why.
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:06PM
Not just him, the Clintons have a hand in it too [desmoinesregister.com].
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @12:51PM
The Iowa caucuses debacle [wsws.org]:
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:36PM (44 children)
Democrats funnel millions of dollars into "Shadow Inc." and the company can't even put together a functioning app? Remind me why we should trust Democrats to run the country?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:40PM (24 children)
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:47PM
Which is exactly what most people did. And then Shadow, Inc (seriously, how dumb do you have to be to make that your secret election fraud company name), finds out the wrong candidate won, the results are "delayed" until they can be "fixed".
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:10PM (21 children)
kontslager dlya vsekh! [nypost.com]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:57PM (20 children)
Good lord your NY Post link is shit.
Is that supposed to be a newspaper?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:30PM (16 children)
Is Sanders being a commie news?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:27PM
Welp, you made a believer out of me. Seeing your brain give in to entropy shows that there is no point to anything, life is just a slow path to death, and voting for corrupt hacks is just taking a shortcut to the end. Who doesn't like getting somewhere quicker?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:44PM (10 children)
Maybe I missed the bit where Comrade Bernie called for collectivising the means of production.
Introducing a sane health care system does not make him a Communist, but you go ahead and vote against your own interests.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:48PM (5 children)
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/bernie-sanders-workers-should-control-the-means-of-production/ [peoplesworld.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:47AM (4 children)
You should go to Germany and have a look at how it works there.
Hint: They're richer than you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @04:13AM (1 child)
So do you recognize you were wrong or no?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @11:39PM
I recognize that you don't even know the definitions of the words you use, which means there is no point in arguing with a moron.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday February 05 2020, @08:35PM (1 child)
They appear richer because they just ate Italy and Greece, plus they massaged the numbers.
They ARE richer because they are not progressing as fast as the US or the Chinese towards the technocratic society. Give em time.
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(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday February 06 2020, @07:01PM
I meant ordinary Germans. Those people who work shorter weeks than you do for much more money, and who then holiday overseas every year and retire earlier.
What their banks get up to is irrelevant.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday February 05 2020, @12:07AM (3 children)
Communist or not, Democrats need a populist candidate with a strong immigration policy. Berniebros are pissed the fuck off because they went into debt with no jobs available. And for a lot of them, jobs aren't available because greedy billionaires like immigration to lower wages and raise worker abuses. And yet this angry but powerful Berniebro fringe wants even more immigration, because Muh Feels.
If they thought working at Starbucks was bad, they haven't seen nuthin' yet. And it's fucking totally hilarious that after courting these radicals, now the DNC's pets are turning against them and usurping the party. This is pure comedy gold! I can hardly wait to see how many other states they will rig for Buttigieg (who looks like a gimp chipmunk who giggles to himself in public) and if they will even try to make it look convincing.
Then after Buttigieg wins the primary Donald Trump will release the blackmail photographs of Buttigieg engaged in homosexual anal sex with his CIA buddies Anderson Cooper and Marco Rubio. What's up with the CIA all being gay, anyway?
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday February 05 2020, @12:55AM (1 child)
Wow. Just when I thought you couldn't get any weirder.
(Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Wednesday February 05 2020, @02:01AM
Haven't seen everything yet. 10+ months of weirdness ahead, better watch that popcorn intake, mate.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday February 05 2020, @08:42PM
Trump:Berlusconi=Buttie:Renzi
Does Buttie speak about demolishing stuff?
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday February 05 2020, @03:08AM (3 children)
Yes it is, since he's proposing nothing more radical than the things that make the Nordic nations some of the best places on Earth to live. If that's what "communism" means to you, you are so far removed from reality that discoursing with you is futile.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @04:16AM (2 children)
The nordic nations were successful because they were primarily white, ie their ancestors had to survive tough winters which selected for certain personal and cultural traits.
It is much easier to survive near the equator.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Thursday February 06 2020, @01:11AM (1 child)
It is much easier to survive when you work together for the betterment of everybody, rather than pushing everyone else down so you can make another dollar.
Everyone benefits, everyone enjoys the benefits.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 06 2020, @10:09PM
Your using logic with a white supremacist, by default they do not work well with others and believe in a might makes right, strong eat the weak mentality.
They prop up modern industrialization as a "white" achievement and crown themselves better than others. Doesn't matter that the flavor of this racism has changed. The Italians and Irish used to be in the out group, trash to be abused and discarded. Same with the Chinese.
It is a sad ignorant ideology most usually held by insecure people who want to feel better about themselves.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:22PM
No. The NY Post has never been considered a newspaper.
Most people would object to using it as toilet paper for fear of the stink rubbing off.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:57AM
Yeap. Those poor naive honest banksters were tricked by progressives in ruining it for everybody.
We should have leaved them alone [youtube.com], no more policies and regulations! Oh... wait!
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday February 05 2020, @07:43AM
I started reading then had to check that it wasn't re-directing to the Onion.
200 million years is actually quite a long time.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:26AM
I will *never* vote for a communist.
Their deeds speak for themselves.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:46PM
Wouldn't it be more reliable to vote via Twitter?
Or . . . the super trustworthy Facebook!
The server will be down for replacement of vacuum tubes, belts, worn parts and lubrication of gears and bearings.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:01PM
They spent $63,183.91 https://webapp.iecdb.iowa.gov/PublicView/statewide/2020/Period_Due_Date_19-Jan/Parties/Iowa%20Democratic%20Party_9098/Iowa%20Democratic%20Party_9098_B_Expenditures.pdf [iowa.gov]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:23PM (15 children)
Shadow Inc, by the way, is owned by the wife of Pete Buttigeg's campaign chair. And its parent company got a mysterious $100,000 campaign expenditure from the Pete campaign. And the state party apparently decided to switch from phone results to an app based on pressure from the DNC.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:28PM (14 children)
Wife? Isn't Buttigeg gay?
Regardless, got a source for that accusation?
(Score: 3, Informative) by ikanreed on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:36PM (4 children)
The wife of his campaign chair, not Butt himself.
It's a matter of public record that Tara McGowan owns the company that made Shadow. It's less a matter of public record that she's married to Michael Halle, but here's a tweet that establishes that fact [twitter.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:58PM (2 children)
My reading fail :(
I just wanted the sources, but thinking back I now realize the conservatives around here probably won't argue the point and the liberals don't really need convincing of DNC corruption.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:01PM (1 child)
See replies [twitter.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @11:56PM
Ok ok, I'll believe you! Better than enabling JS for twitco.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @07:47AM
You let chairs marry but you still have protests about gay marriage? WTF.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:38PM (5 children)
An easy way to remember the spelling is that Geig translates to "fiddler" in German.
Butt I Geig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:39PM (4 children)
Even funnier is that you can find old videos of him saying the proper pronunciation. Which happens to sound an awful lot like "booty-judge."
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:07PM (2 children)
He really ought to have adopted a stage name before getting into politics. That last name just doesn't work no matter how you pronounce it.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:26PM
Like this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kash_Jackson [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:48PM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 05 2020, @01:15AM
I didn't believe you so I looked on youtube. I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPmGy3Mznwo&t=35 [youtube.com] and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VackcAJYL_4&t=70 [youtube.com] and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJKROGuBFI [youtube.com] at the beginning.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:09PM
No idea but if he's not it's a waste of a damned appropriate surname.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by srobert on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:35PM (1 child)
Yeah, but it's OK. His wife's a lesbian.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 06 2020, @10:12PM
Wouldn't be the first politician to have a token wife, not that there is anything wrong with that between consenting adults ;) If it is good enough for SCROTUS it is good enough for ALLUS.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:43PM
> "Shadow Inc."
about the best possible name for a transparent voting system. It's as if some spy ring issued a backdoored microprocessor that spies on users and called it "Intel". Come on.
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