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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the making-a-major-mobile-mess dept.

Each year, the GSMA (GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) Association) holds three MWC (Mobile World Congress) events. The next is MWC Barcelona and is scheduled for 24-27 February 2020 in Barcelona, Spain. The next event scheduled for this year is MWC Shanghai 2020, scheduled for 30 June - 2 July 2020 in Shanghai, China. And rounding out 2020 is the last event, MWC Los Angeles, California on 28-30 October 2020.

Since 2011, MWC Barcelona has been known as the GSMA Mobile World Capital. It is the oldest and largest of the MWC series, so some of the largest mobile product announcements occur at this event. The 2018 event attracted attendees around the world. Approximately half of the attendees hold senior positions in their firms. In other words, in the mobile market, MWC Barcelona is a "Really Big Deal."

That was all history. The recent outbreak of the 2019-nCoV Coronovirus has made quite a stir worldwide. Major players in the mobile arena are concerned about sending their representatives to a venue with approximately 100,000 attendees drawn from all around the world.

Major companies in the mobile space have recently announced plans to either skip MWC Barcelona entirely or, in some cases, make presentations remotely. These include: including Intel, TCL, Sony, Amazon, Samsung, Nvidia, Ericsson Vivo, and MediaTek among many others.

[...] It will be "interesting" to see what the follow-on effects will be from the reduced attendance. The June MWC is scheduled for Shanghai (a major city in China - the country that is the apparent source of the 2019-nCov coronoavirus and imposing major quarantines trying to stem its spread). Thus, unless 2019-nCoV is brought under control in record time, things do not look good for those who were diverted from Barcelona to look forward to making up the difference 4 months later. That leaves waiting for MWC LA at the end of October, or making more one-on-one connections to work out buying and selling decisions.

[Editors' Note: The World Health Organisation has formally renamed the virus to COVID-19]

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With MWC Barcelona 2020 Canceled, Most New Android Phones Face a Tough Debut 25 comments

With MWC [Barcelona] 2020 canceled, most new Android phones face a tough debut:

With Mobile World Congress 2020 officially terminado -- thanks to the coronavirus -- mobile vendors, big and small, are now scrambling to figure out their next steps. Some, particularly Chinese companies, are mulling plans to proceed with their events in Barcelona, Spain, even though the official conference won't take place.

MWC brings together companies from across the world, with many using the weeklong trade show as the place to introduce their newest smartphones. This year was expected to feature new 5Gphones from nearly every major Android vendor, as well as updates about the networks running the new superfast connectivity. While 5G became a reality last year, this year is when it could go mainstream.

MWC is key to the mobile industry for two big reasons: It's where vendors get attention for their newest devices and it's where companies hammer out deals behind the scenes. That includes getting carriers to agree to offer devices from smaller players that don't go by the name of Apple or Samsung. This year's show was officially slated to run from Feb. 24 to 27, with press meetings starting as early as Feb. 21.

On Wednesday, though, GSMA finally pulled the plug on the entire show. The show's organizer said the coronavirus, the disease infecting tens of thousands of people, had made it "impossible" for the show to proceed.

With MWC no longer taking place, that disrupts the launches -- and dealmaking -- for over 2,000 companies that planned to attend the show. For some, it could mean holding their own events or simply putting out press releases to unveil their newest gadgets. Many could delay their product launches altogether while they figure out what to do. Ultimately, we may all have to wait longer to hear about -- and buy -- the latest gadgets.

"The delayed product releases that will occur as the result of this show, as well as the supply side challenges surrounding the coronavirus' broader impact in China ... could potentially delay the smartphone industry's return to growth into 2021 if the current state of flux is not settled soon," Futuresource Consulting analyst Stephen Mears said.

Also at The Register

Previously:
MWC Barcelona 2020: "Mobile World Congress" or "Most Won't Come"?


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Coronavirus Roundup (Feb. 17) 65 comments

This story is a roundup of several virus stories that were submitted over the past few days. This is a changing story, so some of what is posted below may have changed since the time of their originally being published.

What's in a name? One significant change is what the names are for everything. There is the question of what to call the actual virus and then what to call it when someone is infected.

Virus: The virus by itself is now officially referred to as SARS-CoV-2 (Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). It was formerly known as 2019-nCoV (2019 novel coronavirus).

Disease: Those who have been infected by this virus are said to have a disease. The name of the disease is coronavirus disease (COVID-19) which is also known as 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease.

More details are available on Wikipedia.

The six submitted stories are presented below.

NIH Official Says Coronavirus 'on the Verge' of Becoming Global Pandemic Unless Containment Improves

NIH official says coronavirus 'on the verge' of becoming global pandemic unless containment becomes 'more successful':

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CBS's "Face The Nation" that multiple person-to-person transmissions need to occur in multiple countries in order to reach the pandemic threshold.

[...] "Technically speaking, the [World Health Organization] wouldn't be calling this a global pandemic. But it certainly is on the verge of that happening reasonably soon unless containment is more successful than it is right now," he said.

CoronaVirus (SARS-CoV-2) Roundup 2020-03-12 93 comments

Even though it has only been a short while since our last round-up there are 22 separate stories merged into this round-up. Many report duplicate news but, nevertheless, we have tried to distill the important elements of each submission.

Firstly, there is some confusion regarding the actual names that are reported for the virus, the disease that it causes, and names frequently seen in media reporting. From https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0695-z:

The present outbreak of a coronavirus-associated acute respiratory disease called coronavirus disease 19 (COVID-19) is the third documented spillover of an animal coronavirus to humans in only two decades that has resulted in a major epidemic. The Coronaviridae Study Group (CSG) of the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses, which is responsible for developing the classification of viruses and taxon nomenclature of the family Coronaviridae, has assessed the placement of the human pathogen, tentatively named 2019-nCoV, within the Coronaviridae. Based on phylogeny, taxonomy and established practice, the CSG recognizes this virus as forming a sister clade to the prototype human and bat severe acute respiratory syndrome coronaviruses (SARS-CoVs) of the species Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus, and designates it as SARS-CoV-2.

In order to facilitate communication, the CSG proposes to use the following naming convention for individual isolates: SARS-CoV-2/host/location/isolate/date. While the full spectrum of clinical manifestations associated with SARS-CoV-2 infections in humans remains to be determined, the independent zoonotic transmission of SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 highlights the need for studying viruses at the species level to complement research focused on individual pathogenic viruses of immediate significance. This will improve our understanding of virus–host interactions in an ever-changing environment and enhance our preparedness for future outbreaks.

There is much more information at the link provided.

Secondly, as this is a fusion of stories received over the last week or so take all quoted figures of casualties as possibly out-of-date. At the time of merging these stories (12 Mar 20) there have been 127,863 confirmed cases world-wide resulting in 4,717 deaths. 68,309 people have already recovered with the remainder either in self-imposed or advisory isolation, in basic hospital care and a relatively small number in critical care. The pandemic has affected 116 countries/regions. Source: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 - a graphical display produced by Johns Hopkins University (JHU).

Many countries have taken emergency measures to restrict travel or large gatherings of people. As this is a very fluid situation we suggest you refer to the media of any specific country in which you have an interest. President Trump has banned transatlantic air travel from countries in mainland Europe to the USA from Friday 2020-03-13 at 23:59 (no timezone stated) for a period initially of 30 days, and air travel within Europe is also significantly disrupted.

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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:24PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:24PM (#957366) Journal

    A conspiracy theory that finally makes cents! A disadvantaged Asian equipment manufacturer engineered coronavirus to sabotage attendance at MWC this year! Management bought into an idea which makes good since.

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  • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:48PM (2 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:48PM (#957381) Journal
    If they held it in some backwater non-touristy location, only the lower level people would be going. So no big loss except to the tourist industry - and fewer greenhouse gas emissions. Whatever happened to actually using the Internet to communicate so they don't have to fly and get drunk and pig out and sightseeing?
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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:55PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:55PM (#957388) Journal

      Hopefully I'm not the only one who remembers a day when more technical people than managers went to trade shows. Or so it seemed. (remembers visions of MacWorld back in the daze)

      Aren't the tirade show parties one of the big draws? Or the vendors that have hospital suites?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:58PM (#957424)

      It's the only device on the market striving for a mainline Linux kernel.

      Flying thousands of km only to be infected by Android spyware? Madness.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:51PM (1 child)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:51PM (#957383) Journal

    <no-sarcasm>
    The world’s biggest phone show has been canceled due to coronavirus concerns [theverge.com]

    MWC 2020 is no more

    The world’s biggest phone show, Mobile World Congress, is no longer taking place this year. After coronavirus threatened to throw MWC into chaos, [theverge.com] the GSM Association (GSMA), which organizes the show, has now canceled it. It comes after more than a week of exhibitors and companies pulling out of MWC.

    In a statement, [gsma.com] GSMA CEO John Hoffman said the coronavirus outbreak has made it “impossible” to hold the event. MWC was scheduled to take place in Barcelona between February 24th and the 27th.

    </no-sarcasm>

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:50PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:50PM (#957419) Journal

      Mobile World Congress Canceled Due to Coronavirus Concerns [bloomberg.com]

      The wireless industry scrapped its biggest annual showcase after the coronavirus outbreak sparked an exodus of participants, roiling telecom companies just as they’re preparing to roll out new 5G services.

      It’s the first time in MWC Barcelona’s 33-year history that organizers have called off the event, which draws more than 100,000 participants from across the world to check out the latest innovations, pitch to investors and do deals.

      “The global concern regarding the coronavirus outbreak, travel concern and other circumstances, make it impossible” to hold the event, John Hoffman, chief executive officer of conference organizer GSMA, said in a statement to Bloomberg News.

      The list of big-name attendees started to crumble on Feb. 7, when Swedish wireless equipment maker Ericsson AB pulled out, saying it couldn’t ensure the safety of staff and customers. As others pulled the plug -- from Sony Corp. to Nokia Oyj, Vodafone Group Plc and Deutsche Telekom AG -- it became harder for those remaining to justify their presence.

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by barbara hudson on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:58PM (2 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday February 12 2020, @08:58PM (#957391) Journal
    The coronavirus (sorry, COVID19) claims another victim.
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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by DannyB on Wednesday February 12 2020, @10:35PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 12 2020, @10:35PM (#957442) Journal

      They should have given it a CVE number.

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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:04PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:04PM (#957396) Journal
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  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 12 2020, @09:12PM (#957399)

    How about another joke Murray?

  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday February 12 2020, @10:22PM (3 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Wednesday February 12 2020, @10:22PM (#957435) Journal

    lyrics:
    (tv reporter voice)
    "In 2019 the infection seemed like just another flu, but it wasn't
    It was different in many ways, as so were those that did the fighting
    In World War II the average biological weapon was anthrax
    In Wuhan was COVID-19
    In-in-in Wuhan was COVID-19"
    na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na (chorus) 19
    na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na (chorus) 19

    (tv reporter voice)
    "Vaccine shooting and testing of the past two weeks continued today
    In a lab a few miles west of the fish market"
    (lab technician speaking through the mask)
    "I really wasn't sure what was going on"
    "I-I really wasn't sure what was going on"
    Na na na 19, 19, na 19 19
    19, 19, 19, 19

    Wuhan, fi fi fight on!
    Wuhan, fi fi fight on!

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    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 12 2020, @10:24PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 12 2020, @10:24PM (#957437)

      what do you get when you cross a mentally retarded sloth
      with a banana eager to go up its ass?
      i'll tell you what you get
      you get what you fucking deserve!

      (sound of banana being inserted)

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday February 12 2020, @11:22PM

        by Bot (3902) on Wednesday February 12 2020, @11:22PM (#957473) Journal

        >(sound of banana being inserted)

        This is worrying.
        But the fact that you assume we know how a banana inserted into an ass sounds, is still less worrying than the fact that you know it at all.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2020, @12:31AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2020, @12:31AM (#957504)

      You have to give the tune to go with the lyrics!

      I’m guessing ‘nineteen’ but anyone younger than 50 will not get the reference
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oho9KaoxI-4 [youtube.com]

  • (Score: 1) by oumuamua on Thursday February 13 2020, @01:38AM (4 children)

    by oumuamua (8401) on Thursday February 13 2020, @01:38AM (#957526)

    Probably good for putting a damper on wildlife trade
    https://www.genolve.com/design/socialmedia/memes/coronavirus-karma [genolve.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2020, @01:53AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2020, @01:53AM (#957534)

      That's until Chinese medicine scammers start recommending tiger penis as a cure.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by FatPhil on Thursday February 13 2020, @10:04AM (2 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Thursday February 13 2020, @10:04AM (#957664) Homepage
        You joke, but that's effectively what's happening. I think people should be given the choice - traditional chinese medicine, or actual medicine, and shouldn't be allowed to hedge. The stupid would die out pretty quickly.

        Worst of all, oriental woo-woo is splorting into the academic literature by the bucket-load too. Well, it lands, but it doesn't necessarily all stick - each time we uncover another huge tranch of systematic academic fraud, we uncover papers on oriental woo-woo in the process. I guess that could be considered progress - it's proof that they know they're lying about the efficacity of the treatment if they have to resort to forging the results.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2020, @10:29PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2020, @10:29PM (#957884)

          As an oriental, can you further elaborate what "oriental woo-woo" is?

          It sounds like an generalized insult to all orientals, but I can't really tell.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday February 14 2020, @03:13PM

            by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Friday February 14 2020, @03:13PM (#958163) Homepage
            So, which of the two words I used did you consider to be the insulting one, "oriental", or "woo-woo"?

            Let's analyse your possible answers:
            1) "oriental". So you think "oriental" is an insult. I think that makes you the racist one.
            2) "woo-woo". It doesn't sound particularly scientific, does it? - you might just be onto something here.

            There's a term for traditional oriental medicine that passes modern clinical tests - "medicine".
            There's a term for traditional oriental medicine that fails to pass any clinical tests - "woo-woo".

            If you want to see racism, see racism. Call me a Nazi. Cancel me. I couldn't give a shit what you think, you'll see what you want to see, and I'm not going to waver one millimeter to accomodate your idiotic stance. Sorry for raping you.
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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday February 13 2020, @11:04PM (13 children)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Thursday February 13 2020, @11:04PM (#957904) Journal

    We will look back on this as a time of surreal naivete, when the worst thing in the news about a virus with a 3 week incubation, transmissible by air with a transmissiability over over 4, that had already reached nearly every country in the world, was the disruption of a conference about 5g.

    Btw, I was able to find numerous articles stating that 5g had been 'rolled out' already in wuhan, but none of them very credible. Anyone able to confirm that? Other thing I am looking to confirm is any bodies moving after being diagnosed as dead, and, not kidding, I heard one report of 'cannabilistic' properties. But only the one.

    Oddity at the moment I find most interesting, the way when people drop they plank in the same way. That is very wierd. Like in public, the people did not think they were that sick that they couldn't go for a stroll, and then collapse, twitching.

    For a situation where they are literally welding people into their own homes, the current 'another few hundred cases reported today' news I am seeing from like reuters, dw, ap, is nuts. Meanwhile the u.s. marine core is apparently building vast quarantine camps?

    Feel free to inform me. But everything about this looks wrong to me. The disinformation seems designed to aid the spreading...and I just want to remind everyone that nano-weapons probably exist. And the panic is often worse than the disease, but if china is shutting down production, does that not signal a massive economic catastrophe baked into this equation?

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday February 14 2020, @05:18AM (12 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday February 14 2020, @05:18AM (#958079) Journal

      Other thing I am looking to confirm is any bodies moving after being diagnosed as dead, and, not kidding, I heard one report of 'cannabilistic' properties. But only the one.

      That sounds a lot like people spreading disinfo for fun because they are fans of zombie fiction. We're not going to get The Walking Dead, just "Bring out your dead!" at worst. You certainly don't need someone to bite you, it can be spread from a distance quite effectively.

      Doors being welded or taped shut seems to have been happening in China. Here are the U.S. military camps. [businessinsider.com]

      Here's an article [fullfact.org] on Wuhan 5G.

      if china is shutting down production, does that not signal a massive economic catastrophe baked into this equation?

      China has accepted massive economic losses that are continuing to escalate as more cities become quarantined. A good point to bring up if anyone still thinks "it's just a flu, bro".

      A virus is crippling China's economy — and threatening the world's [thehill.com]

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      • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday February 24 2020, @11:19PM (11 children)

        by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday February 24 2020, @11:19PM (#962069) Journal

        Which confirms that the us media is intentionally not doing what needs to be done to alert the public to be more prepared, they are informing as little as possible and no one trusts them anyway, so the entire scenario is loaded for maximum chaos.

        Which suits fascists and totalitarians just fine, we will have to beg the state to save us.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday February 25 2020, @12:41AM (10 children)

          by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday February 25 2020, @12:41AM (#962109) Journal

          There has been a dizzying amount of developments between my comment and your reply. I'm not keeping track of most of it.

          the us media is intentionally not doing what needs to be done to alert the public to be more prepared

          Here's how it goes. The World Health Organization (WHO) kisses China's ass because they receive a decent chunk of funding from them, among other reasons. China has been gradually stepping up its influence in international institutions as it becomes a "respectable" superpower. Our mainstream media defers to WHO, perhaps because they don't want to be seen as spreading fake news, especially in this particular election year.

          WHO will probably come up with the right conclusions in the end, but is weeks late to properly address info that has been leaking out of China's firewall.

          For fun, here's two revisions of the same Reuters article:

          WHO says no longer uses 'pandemic' category, but virus still emergency [archive.is]

          The World Health Organization (WHO) no longer has a process for declaring a pandemic, but the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak remains an international emergency, a spokesman said on Monday.

          Virus can still be beaten, too early to declare pandemic: WHO [archive.is]

          The coronavirus outbreak can still be beaten, the World Health Organization said on Monday, insisting it was premature to declare it a pandemic even though it had the potential to reach that level.

          Just wow. They also offer another reason that WHO could be acting in slow-mo:

          The Geneva-based agency declared the H1N1 swine flu outbreak a pandemic in 2009, which turned out to be mild, leading to some criticism after pharmaceutical companies rushed development of vaccines and drugs.

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          • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:38PM (9 children)

            by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:38PM (#962562) Journal

            There are just so many firsts.

            -first doors welded shut
            -first people dropping dead in street
            -first mega city shutdown

            One thing I am noticing, that I find odd, do you notice how few new tv series and movies are coming out? There are like no major blockbusters scheduled this year. No game of thrones like things. American video culture is a ghost town of garbage and it has never been this bad.

            A lot of trumps responses have seemed scripted calculated and nonsensical, or blatantly 'calm down', which is not his usual schtick. On every other topic he says everyone else is a fuckup, but for some reason with coronoa china is doing just the right thing, dont worry, it will all work out.

            Meanwhile I am hearing multiple reports of numbers in washington and new york and cali not being reported. And it just makes no sense there are no americans that have it, or that it is only 30 people. None.

            The dropping dead part, I still don't get it. None of the explanations I have read explain how this could even possibly happen.

            The first nanoweapon will not be detected, people will think it is the flue. Nanoweapons could be directed by emf. They could collect in the brain. They could be passed to your chip card magnetically at the checkout. And it could look like this. No one even attempts to say why some people get pneumonia and others drop dead. And multiple of the drop dead videos are of police, workers, nurses, not people I would think were being in any way targeted by the chinese govt.

            And on top of that, there is a good chance everyone in the uigur camps is going to be wiped out as a form of plausibly deniable genocide.

            2020 not looking very promising unless you are selling bunkers, or already in one.

            • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday February 27 2020, @02:20PM (8 children)

              by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Thursday February 27 2020, @02:20PM (#963479) Journal

              One thing I am noticing, that I find odd, do you notice how few new tv series and movies are coming out? There are like no major blockbusters scheduled this year. No game of thrones like things. American video culture is a ghost town of garbage and it has never been this bad.

              I do not consider this to be true at this time (for TV). We are seeing a historic fragmentation of "TV" media as new streaming services like Disney+, AT&T, HBO Max, etc. try to challenge the incumbents Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc. Probably there is a ton of good content that is relatively unknown because it has been lured onto platforms that will inevitably become multi-billion dollar failures [soylentnews.org] (Tubi, Vudu, Quibi, WTF?!). Simply because the investors are ready to dump money to even have a small chance of gaining a foothold.

              This is still being called the "New Golden Age of Television" [wikipedia.org]. Shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, The Expanse, Altered Carbon, etc. were not really being made before the 2000s or 2010s. I mention the latter two because they are pretty good examples of film-level special effects and large per-episode budgets. Obviously, some contrarians on SN will say that all of it is shit and has been shit for years, and they have the right to do so.

              As for blockbuster films, maybe you have something there. I think there is a vacuum being left now that Avengers: Endgame has ended the third phase of the MCU, and people are going to start tuning out of the MCU from now on. Then you have Disney's poor creative decisions that turned Star Wars into a limping failure. I am not yearning for more "blockbusters" anyway, and films like Joker can do plenty with under $100 million (production budget).

              A lot of trumps responses have seemed scripted calculated and nonsensical, or blatantly 'calm down', which is not his usual schtick. On every other topic he says everyone else is a fuckup, but for some reason with coronoa china is doing just the right thing, dont worry, it will all work out.

              He has invested a lot into the relationship with Xi Jinping (which may not be reciprocated but w/e), and as the incumbent he can't easily blame others for mishandling the coronavirus. "The buck stops here" and all that jazz. He was patting himself on the back yesterday for his earlier travel ban, but apparently his control of the situation is weak:

              Trump Was Furious That Passengers With Coronavirus Were Brought Back to U.S. [archive.is]

              Among the passengers from the Diamond Princess cruise ship who were flown back were 14 American citizens who tested positive for the virus. The move took Mr. Trump by surprise.

              I know that California got a number of infections, and they will probably be a hotbed for various reasons. I think some of the Korean death cultists managed to spread it to the U.S.

              The dropping dead part, I still don't get it. None of the explanations I have read explain how this could even possibly happen.

              Inability to breathe? I saw some of those videos but it's hard to tell what's real.

              So the infection is moving out of China, but there is a long lag time between people getting infected and dropping dead, with asymptomatic spreading. But once they do, we should have more video footage and anecdotes available since there is no Great Firewall in the way. It will become more clear how coronavirus works and how much of a problem it is.

              I don't think there is a working nanoweapon right now. The state of the art appears to be shit. Like you can direct nanoparticles to bump into a few cancer cells with a very strong magnetic field or something. Good luck getting 5G to move nanobots around your circulatory system or whatever. I would like nanobots for medical purposes (you drink it, it fixes problems with cells, and you drink more to replenish the amount as you poop them out over time). I don't see that happening within the next 10 years, even for the elites. It's said that various U.S. agencies have technology not available to the public, but I think that is most true for the NSA which employs many mathematicians. And drones were used to some extent for decades by the military before drone strikes entered the public consciousness.

              And on top of that, there is a good chance everyone in the uigur camps is going to be wiped out as a form of plausibly deniable genocide.

              This is an incredibly obvious conclusion that other people have already mentioned. It seems very plausible that they would do that. Oops, we gathered everyone in the reeducation camp and one of them coughed! We'll have to see how many Uyghurs are standing after the dust settles 0.5-2 years from now.

              2020 not looking very promising unless you are selling bunkers, or already in one.

              The key is to not interact with anybody. Shelter in place, have enough food to last you months, maybe water if you anticipate that services will be cut off. And you have to do this before it's obvious that there a lot of infected in your area. You may have to quit your job to do this.

              Even if you do get it, fatality rate appears to be pretty low, although there are factors that could change that. If it's 3%, is that 3% with you being hooked up to an iron lung to keep you breathing? What about the reinfection problem [soylentnews.org]?

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              • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Friday February 28 2020, @12:07AM (2 children)

                by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Friday February 28 2020, @12:07AM (#963873) Journal

                Very thorough and informative. just fyi, I am starting to think you might not be a cop, in that case, you have to know, a ton of people here are cops, and they are trying to infiltrate the admin team. Be warned, some admins have not earned my trust.

                It is so nice to have someone actually read what you say instead of just saying you are crazy, so thanks for that.

                So as of today it is in another 20 countries, and it seemed to pop up in the center of iran and italy without any known contact with people who traveled to wuhan.

                I find your nanoparticle analysis comforting but I am not convinced, with every single other thing, they have been way, way ahead of what they reveal to the public. And then once you discover it, for that time there is a gap where ONLY YOUR side has the advantage. So the nano-virus that can be activated and deactivated remotely would be one of those things that, if they put the backdoors in the intel processor, and they did ,they are just evil enough to do.

                And the truth is...thesystemsarefailing.net and the solution 99% of the people have is sharing by the 1%, and they would just rather murder 5 billion people. I have seen no moral compulsion behind who is pulling the strings, I think they would actually get off on it. Epstein, yaknow.

                That is why I made this, yesterday,
                https://archive.is/9CAwI [archive.is]

                That blob is going to do what it is going to do, for now. And it looks to me like they want to erase history. Because of decopage 1.
                https://archive.is/FRGCj [archive.is]

                And like I said before, we will all run to the state to save us, there will be smoke and chaos, and then according to principles of disaster capitalism, they will rebuild the new world, one in which there is built into every single thing, a layer of oligarchic control that may be physically and intellectually impossible to escape for any mere mortal.

                Something like really evil, like erasing good, completely. Yikes. That is who we are dealing with, so whether man made, or not, their pattern is to make their order out of our chaos, and we should be prepared for that, to the extent it makes any difference at all.

                I for one am tired, if so much is not yet clear(lol), of being a predictable blip in their rapey psycho olympics.

                • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday March 01 2020, @10:07PM (1 child)

                  by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Sunday March 01 2020, @10:07PM (#965094) Journal

                  I doubt there are any "cops" on staff.

                  Also, know that I have posted over 18,000 comments, many before you joined. So if I am compromised, this has been a deep cover assignment.

                  Not only is this site too small for anyone to really care, but despite the protests of some, the userbase isn't really that radicalized. This is not a hotbed of white supremacists that infiltrators would just love, and this is not where the FBI would find somebody to set up the bomb so they can boost their "terrorist" catch stats.

                  Shockingly, I have only gotten one lame pseudo-threat to my site email account. I don't see any calls for U.S. Head Boi to be killed, I don't see any Really Bad URLs being spammed. Nada. I'm somewhat surprised. Let's hope it stays that way.

                  it seemed to pop up in the center of iran and italy without any known contact with people who traveled to wuhan

                  I'm not shocked by any particular amount of spread. We are living in a time of continuously rising air travel [nationalgeographic.com]. Chinese New Year was in late January so there was a lot of people traveling around for that. South Korea had that weird cult that was proselytizing in Wuhan, and may have tried to spread the coronavirus on purpose. Iran had pilgrims traveling Qom and officials downplaying (and catching) the virus [archive.is]. Not sure about Italy, but it could have been bad luck.

                  Remember that this virus can apparently spread while a person is asymptomatic for up to weeks. So I would not be shocked if as many people that caught swine flu catch this.

                  I find your nanoparticle analysis comforting but I am not convinced, with every single other thing, they have been way, way ahead of what they reveal to the public.

                  There's no use worrying about something that probably doesn't exist and you can't stop. What should people be doing, putting their own blood under a microscope to look for bots?

                  Conventional bioweapons should be more worrisome because the technology needed to make them is becoming pretty accessible to amateur mad scientists. You can download genomes. I may have downloaded the sequence for the coronavirus.

                  And like I said before, we will all run to the state to save us, there will be smoke and chaos, and then according to principles of disaster capitalism, they will rebuild the new world, one in which there is built into every single thing, a layer of oligarchic control that may be physically and intellectually impossible to escape for any mere mortal.

                  I would be surprised if the virus kills more than 0.5% of the world population, about 40 million or so. Which is a lot, but might not be enough to be a game changer. I could see this affecting travel screening, the U.S. election process (wait in line to catch coronavirus this Coofer Tuesday), and other stuff.

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                  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday March 09 2020, @02:59PM

                    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday March 09 2020, @02:59PM (#968496) Journal

                    You have continually failed to set off my inauthenticity alarm, no easy feat. But not impossible for a cop. One thing I have learned is that infiltrators frequently enjoy their assignments and are assigned to do what they would be doing anyway, even if their work over the long term is degenerative.

                    Others though it is exactly the opposite, although they seem to be on better behavior here than other places. The pattern I see, and why even started posting here, is that somehow here, there is a sheriff in town that keeps them in check.

                    What I demonstrated over the last year is what happens when you out actual tactics of the surveillance state and undercovers, how they behave when they are trying to slide the topic, discredit someone, and bother them psychologically.

                    And how, in general, very little actual discussion such as this takes place here. And how even though I can demonstrate and prove a lot of what I am saying is going on, no one cares to actually try to prove it.

                    Truth is dying on planet earth, except for those at the very top of things, who want to know everything.

                    You say what can we do? That is the entire purpose of public interest technology, that when someone audits something and finds out it is dangerous, that there exists someone who is not blindly loyal to a government corp or cult who will dare speak the truth.

                    And in my plachinko fall through american society bouncing through restaurants, theaters, communities, businesses that are infiltrated by the fbi, I am telling you that the situation is so bad that there is no one left to report even the most obvious anti-constitutional measures, much less actual mind control technology, or the numerous mysterious suicides and deaths of late.

                    Much less the source of a virus. More and more the truth doesn't matter, and this is a top down corporate decision made by mass media institutions in which the public isnt even slightly represented.

                    Which is why this ICANN meeting is interesting, the public gets to speak, but what teeth do we have? None.

                    So a government and corporate steamroller is coming, and any student of history knows to expect nothing but mass human suffering anyway.

                    That is why I came here to write, that is why i made my static site, that is why I accept the risk of being followed everywhere(still happening), the alternative is not just not worth fighting for, it is not worth living in.

                    The economy is already collapsing. People are burning less oil, which is great, but teh entire dollar is based on the price of oil, and anyone who has not seen this particular economic idiocy coming our way for a long time has probably been watching israeli media, the primary benefactor of the petrodollar. And of course if bernie pulled us troops out of the middle east, the muckymucks would make the dollar worth about as much as the peso overnight. The economy is already hollowed out, already without chinese production the entire thing we consider the internet grinds to a halt.

                    Elections, pff, those have already been compromised for years. Too bad no one paid attention to one of my last anon comments before I logged in, check my anon comment June 07 titled, 'how can you stop asking questions' and tell me how it is possible these obvious points were ignored to the point of the iowa debacle and the obvious supertuesday counting errors in favor of biden.

                    So there is hopelessness, as we are subjugated beneath either our inferiors or outright evil people.

                    https://coinsh.red/u/bByXm39.png [coinsh.red] white people especially are killing themselves due to the hopelessness and the slavery by other names, as the culture we were raised to participate in ceases to exist. Nameless reddit admins censored this within 30 minutes. Epstein is not allowed to be mentioned in world news anymore, post gets autoremoved, go see.

                    We get no knowledge from the government or corporation, we can only wade through lies while states replay the the events of 1987-1941 and gaslight us like they are trying to protect us somehow, when if we get in the way they poison our toothpaste, or come up with the nextgen nano solution, but at that point who cares, human life on planet earth has been enslaved by garbage people who claim their demon-worshipping cult is the only truth.

                    Thus, decultification.org is an appropriate response for anyone who wants to preserve a public voice, and truth in public, at all. And most other responses I see are, well, silly. See newsguard.
                     

              • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday February 29 2020, @08:35PM (4 children)

                by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Saturday February 29 2020, @08:35PM (#964664) Journal

                Tell me if I am the craziest one here, why I was the one who found this for you(and i have trashed 100 videos in the last 3 weeks for being bs):

                https://youtu.be/73e4EfvVZGw?fbclid=IwAR3xcR5jkyr5isamEJ5vnCxbL0bn8mOuzuP3CgB_fq6tEqosuDEVvxT9qHw [youtu.be]

                15:00 min

                Few times in my life has my jaw ever dropped like in the movies.

                I wrote my last message before I saw this, mind you.

                • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday February 29 2020, @10:36PM (1 child)

                  by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Saturday February 29 2020, @10:36PM (#964692) Journal

                  No Middle East nuclear war has happened. I would not be surprised if Israel attacked Iran to shut down its nuclear weapons program at some point, if the U.S. doesn't, so that is fairly low value prediction. Corona-chan's mortality rate is a far cry from 50%. Ok, he's saying plague + war + infrastructure failure. That might do it. Good thing I picked up 50 lbs of rice.

                  Chinese mismanagement of diseases appears to be a recurring theme (see the first SARS [businessinsider.com]). Maybe bats were peeing in scientists' mouths down in Wuhan. They don't need to be targeted from the outside. I did hear some (joking) chatter about it targeting Asians specifically, but it spread to non-Chinese easily.

                  Geophysical event... no Planet X talk please.

                  If elites are prepping for some event, good for them, they are just regular preppers with more money. A plan to take out the Chinese makes sense on some levels: China is the only nation other than the U.S. that can claim to have a superpower status, and they have a (seemingly) strong government that has integrated its elites into it and will presumably oppose other elites and try to steamroll the West in a post-apocalyptic scenario. The "Anglo-Saxon" elites mentioned might love it if China were to collapse, especially is S was about to HTF.

                  Looks like Bill Ryan's journey continues, so you don't need to just look at 10 year old videos full of copouts:

                  http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forum.php [projectavalon.net]

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                  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday March 09 2020, @02:18PM

                    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday March 09 2020, @02:18PM (#968490) Journal

                    The video says a short conflict, not full blown out war before the virus.

                    The soleimani attack fits exactly what he described.

                    I am not saying that I am allegiant or worshipful of mr ryan, just that this is one of the most uncannily correct predictions I have ever heard, and the means by which he heard it lands in the realm of the possible as I see it.

                • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:32PM (1 child)

                  by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:32PM (#965088) Journal

                  I think some have linked handling of the ACE2 enzyme to racial targeting but given the virus's spread outside of China I doubt it is significant:

                  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762510 [jamanetwork.com]

                  Named 2019-nCoV by the WHO and SARS-CoV-2 by the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses, this virus is a new human-infecting Betacoronavirus that, based on its genetic proximity to 2 bat-derived SARS-like coronaviruses, likely originated in chrysanthemum bats. The virus uses a densely glycosylated spike (S) protein to enter host cells and binds with high affinity to the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor in humans in a manner similar to SARS-CoV. However, monoclonal antibodies against the receptor-binding domain of SARS-CoV do not exhibit much binding to SARS-CoV-2, confirming that this is a new virus. The ACE2 enzyme is expressed in type II alveolar cells, and some unconfirmed data suggest that Asian males have a large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung, which may partially explain the male predominance of COVID-19. However, other factors such as a higher prevalence of smoking among men in China may explain the difference in the sex distribution of the disease.

                  Meanwhile you have that one AC and others saying that smoking helps to prevent you from getting coronavirus.

                  Bats peeing in researchers' mouths confirmed?

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                  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday March 09 2020, @02:35PM

                    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday March 09 2020, @02:35PM (#968493) Journal

                    I find the distribution of the virus improbable from any natural person to person transmissions, especially the italy and iranian outbreaks.

                    Even if there were a natural outbreak in china and it was not engineered or planned, israel would have jumped at the chance to teleport that virus to iran as soon as possible for the sheer damage+plausible deniability, war by deception plus land, rinse repeat, 'most moral army' etc etc

  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:35PM

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:35PM (#962559) Journal

    There are just so many firsts.

    -first doors welded shut
    -first people dropping dead in street
    -first mega city shutdown

    One thing I am noticing, that I find odd, do you notice how few new tv series and movies are coming out? There are like no major blockbusters scheduled this year. No game of thrones like things. American video culture is a ghost town of garbage and it has never been this bad.

    A lot of trumps responses have seemed scripted calculated and nonsensical, or blatantly 'calm down', which is not his usual schtick. On every other topic he says everyone else is a fuckup, but for some reason with coronoa china is doing just the right thing, dont worry, it will all work out.

    Meanwhile I am hearing multiple reports of numbers in washington and new york and cali not being reported. And it just makes no sense there are no americans that have it, or that it is only 30 people. None.

    The dropping dead part, I still don't get it. None of the explanations I have read explain how this could even possibly happen.

    The first nanoweapon will not be detected, people will think it is the flue. Nanoweapons could be directed by emf. They could collect in the brain. They could be passed to your chip card magnetically at the checkout. And it could look like this. No one even attempts to say why some people get pneumonia and others drop dead. And multiple of the drop dead videos are of police, workers, nurses, not people I would think were being in any way targeted by the chinese govt.

    And on top of that, there is a good chance everyone in the uigur camps is going to be wiped out as a form of plausibly deniable genocide.

    2020 not looking very promising unless you are selling bunkers, or already in one.

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