from the worry-about-the-ones-they-did-not-find dept.
Tory Bruno reveals Chinese company tried to infiltrate ULA's supply chain
A supplier of software used in machine tools at United Launch Alliance's rocket factory turned out to be partially owned by Chinese interests, ULA's CEO Tory Bruno said on a virtual fireside chat aired Sept. 15 during the Air Force Association's Air Space Cyber Conference.
Bruno revealed the incident in a pre-recorded video in response to a question from Lt. Gen. David Thompson, vice commander of the U.S. Space Force.
Thompson noted that China has been known to steal U.S. intellectual property and exfiltrate sensitive data from systems "to catch up and move forward quickly" in the development of advanced technology. China is "working their way into our supply chains. What are you all doing about that?" Thompson asked Bruno.
Bruno said the Chinese-owned vendor identified in ULA's supply chain was a provider of software for tools used to manufacture the company's next-generation rocket Vulcan Centaur. Because the issue was detected quickly, no sensitive information was extracted by that supplier, Bruno said.
The Pentagon has shown growing concern about the problem and continues to impose cybersecurity requirements on contractors. "But I have to tell you this is just shocking in terms of the scale and ubiquity of this threat and this effort on the part of China to not only gain access to intellectual property through traditional means — hacking or espionage — but through infiltration of the supply chain," Bruno said.
Also At: Air Force Magazine
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @03:35PM (44 children)
Shouldn't shock anyone.
We are doing business with a Communist totalitarian state that runs concentration camps.
The real shocking question is, why are we still doing so?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 16 2020, @03:44PM (1 child)
The really shocking question would be, "Why did we ever go down this road?" And, the answer, of course, is pure greed. Our greedy corporate masters wanted to open up Chinese markets, and our greedy governmental masters agreed.
"There are a BILLION potential customers to be exploited in China! We've got to open up China to exploitation! And, look at all that cheap labor!"
But, the exploitation goes both ways.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Interesting) by driverless on Thursday September 17 2020, @07:02AM
Another question would be "one of the million companies in the gravy... uhh, supply chain has Chinese owners. Is this the Evil Yellow Peril at work, or just that one of the million companies in the supply chain has Chinese owners".
Or, to put it in medical terms, "true, true, unrelated".
(Score: 5, Touché) by ikanreed on Wednesday September 16 2020, @03:54PM (19 children)
God damn right, we should make parts at home, in our capitalist totalitarian state that runs concentration camps.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @04:20PM (18 children)
I'm assuming, you're referring to Guantanamo? As that's the only "legally and morally" gray area, that I can think of. We did put American citizens of Japanese origin in what could be called "concentration camps". It's decidedly not a good thing and Most Definitely shouldn't be something we support indefinitely. Yet, here we are, with people still afraid after the one terrorist attack nearly 20 years ago.
Comparing Guantanamo to the Uighur camp in China, yeah, that's stupid.
China’s Monstrous Abuse of Uighur Women [nationalreview.com]
But, sure, keep comparing the two.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Wednesday September 16 2020, @04:24PM (15 children)
No, I'm not refering to gauntanamo, which is a completely different series of crimes against humanity.
I'm referring to our ICE run concentration camps where we're also sterilizing prisoners. [slate.com]
The US vs China is not good guys vs bad guys, it's bad guys vs bad guys.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @04:47PM (14 children)
Yeah, you give up certain rights when you become a criminal. Now, the forced sterilizations, sounds like a pretty bad thing. Yet, they wouldn't be in that situation, if they had entered the USA legally. Each person there had their own reasons for entering the USA illegally. Those are detention camps for illegal immigrants, not concentration camps. We're not rounding up a whole bunch of people that fit a specific set of ethnic, social, or political criteria. We're detaining illegal immigrants, of which there is a large number. You'd think that people would stop trying to enter the country illegally, if said camps were so awful. Perhaps, the risk is worth it? Perhaps, their alternatives are worse? That's a sad thought, but quite possibly a reality for most of them. Conflating detention of illegal immigrants with concentration camps or "re-education camps" like China is doing with the Uighurs, is disingenuous at best.
The Fate Of Uighur Muslims In China: From Re-education Camps To Forced Labor [forbes.com]
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:09PM
All those Uighurs are criminals, according to the laws of China. Does that make it OK?
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:11PM (5 children)
> We're not rounding up a whole bunch of people that fit a specific set of ... *political* criteria. We're detaining *illegal immigrants*.
(Emphasis mine).
Laugh Out Loud.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:14PM (3 children)
It is impressive watching them call China evil for forced sterilization then within a single comment turn around and defend the US's forced sterilization program.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:21PM (2 children)
Sometimes mirrors tell a difficult message.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:26PM (1 child)
It used to require a new article for them to completely flip-flop like that.
Seems like the bubble is contracting and requiring even more cognitive dissonance than it used it.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:36PM
I think critical introspection is challenging for most people. I find it hard to back down when I make a mistake or have some wrong thinking. It's just being human.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @06:29PM
Illegal immigration isn't a political criteria any more than shop lifting is a political criteria.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:33PM (6 children)
People are dogpiling you for a variety of reasons, but I want to add one more. No one in any of those camps is there because they were convicted of a crime.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @06:44PM (5 children)
They aren't there, because they were charged with a crime. They are there, because they illegally immigrated and now someone has to do something with them. Are you advocating that we should charge them with a crime and send them to an actual prison?
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday September 16 2020, @07:35PM (4 children)
"Prove you're innocent of what we're accusing you of" is always stupid and wrong. 100% of the time.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @09:48PM (3 children)
You know what's stupid? Expecting nothing bad to happen, when you enter a country illegally. I'm pretty tired of the anti-american theme that gets pushed around. I'm sorry that people were in such bad straits elsewhere that they thought their best course of action was to enter the USA illegally. Perhaps, for the majority of them, it is the best thing and they get what they want. Considering, we just keep getting more people, it sounds like something is working out for them. While we definitely want to provide humane living conditions, we have no obligation to provide non-prison like accommodations.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 17 2020, @12:10AM
I know! Let's sterilize them!
(Score: 5, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 17 2020, @01:33AM (1 child)
Maybe I'm just old, but I can remember when it wasn't considered "anti-American" to criticise US government policy.
Almost all of them are Central Americans, and they're in "bad straits" because of the way the US keeps overthrowing their governments, and sending death squads to murder them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 17 2020, @02:27PM
> Maybe I'm just old, but I can remember when it wasn't considered "anti-American" to criticise US government policy.
You're half right. It's 100% pro-American to criticize the US government when it's run by commie Democrats.
(Score: 5, Informative) by captain normal on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:48PM (1 child)
The U.S. throws more people per capita in prison than any other country on the planet. Only Russia is even a close second.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country [worldpopulationreview.com]
The Musk/Trump interview appears to have been hacked, but not a DDOS hack...more like A Distributed Denial of Reality.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by ikanreed on Wednesday September 16 2020, @06:04PM
North Korea is close tied with the US, but they usually don't show up on official lists, because they neither self-report nor allow transparent review of their prisons, so exact numbers rely on intelligence estimates.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @04:04PM
Some people still deny this is going on. Whether they are shocked or shilling is another story.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @04:16PM (20 children)
Well, it shouldn't shock anyone. "We" are a Capitalist oligarchical state that runs concentration camps including forced sterilization [wsws.org].
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @04:32PM (19 children)
Ahh..., you're talking about Illegal Immigrants, because Immigrants that enter the United States legally aren't treated that way. While the forced sterilizations aren't a good thing, they wouldn't be in that situation, if they hadn't entered the USA illegally. While the USA has ceased to be all welcoming as the Statue of Liberty saying puts it. The USA still accepts legal Immigrants. Perhaps the situation they were in made coming to the USA illegally a worthy risk and they really were looking to find a good place to live. In that case, I am sad for them.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @04:36PM (18 children)
The thing about Human Rights is that you don't lose them just because you committed a misdemeanor on the level of Trespassing.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:00PM (5 children)
I'm not defending the sterilizations and I'd be quite happy for the people responsible to be held accountable.
It's just on the topic of Illegal Immigration. Being detained, until we can figure out where you go, isn't the worst thing that could happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration [wikipedia.org]
Illegal Immigration is by definition illegal. Now, we don't charge people with illegal immigration and send them to prison, but it's a reasonable option. Perhaps instead, they could pay a fine, and be deported. The problem is that they likely have little or no money, so you end up with a large number of illegal immigrants and have to figure out what to do with them. Thus, you end up with detention centers, and as all bureaucracy goes, it's slow.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:06PM (3 children)
Yes, you are.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @06:38PM (2 children)
Says the antagonist. If you read past that tiny quotation, you will note that I'm quite happy to hold those accountable who decided it'd be a good idea to sterilize them.
What would you like to do with illegal immigrants? Deport them every time? Let them stay? Tell the entire world, hey, make it to the USA and we'll let you in. While that worked for a period of time, we're past the point of sending people out west to claim wild undeveloped land.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @06:42PM (1 child)
It is a tricky situation, but keeping families together and with humane shelters with access to hot water, showers, bathrooms, sinks, decent food, and proper medical care.
If you can't handle a 1st world country that respects human rights you are free to GTFO, and while you're at it take your goose stepping nazi flag waving buddies with you.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday September 16 2020, @07:03PM
You do have some valid points and I would support those. What I don't support is doing so repeatedly. At a certain point, we're dealing with people who are fleeing much worse conditions. While they may not like being detained, it may well be better than what they left. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/24/detained-us-largest-immigrant-detention-trump [theguardian.com] What to do with them? Let them all in? Then what? How many more freeloaders can our economy support? Do we give them jobs? What about the people that are already here? At some point, we are one nation and not responsible for every other person on the face of the planet. Not even just the poor, abused, etc. The world is too full of screwed up things for the USA to be the one stop shop. Then again, maybe, if we taxed the corporations a bit more, we could be a bit more open to letting more immigrants in, no matter their status.
Too bad your possibly valid first sentence is followed by vitriol.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 4, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:16PM
> Illegal Immigration is by definition illegal.
Illegal Islamism is by definition illegal. Now, we don't charge people with illegal Islamism and send them to prison, but it's a reasonable option. Perhaps instead, they could pay a fine, and be deported. The problem is that they likely have little or no money, so you end up with a large number of illegal Muslims and have to figure out what to do with them. Thus, you end up with detention centers, and as all bureaucracy goes, it's slow.
Your argument is not logical while you rely on the law. You have to go back a step and describe why being an Illegal Immigrant is immoral (or something).
[Resisting urge to Godwin myself]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:09PM (11 children)
There is no human right to immigrate without permission into a soveriegn country.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:12PM (10 children)
That's fine. Once they've been convicted of a crime you can kick them out or throw them in jail.
What you're not allowed to do is scoop out their ovaries without their permission.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:18PM (9 children)
> What you're not allowed to do is scoop out their ovaries without their permission.
Folks in the US are allowed to do whatever is permitted by the US legislature, backed up by the US military. I think you mean that it is unethical or immoral to scoop out ovaries.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:29PM (8 children)
The Constitution say's it not permitted so therefore it's not permitted:
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:33PM (7 children)
Thanks. I checked and the internet says that the constitution applies to illegal immigrants.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have [pbs.org]
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:39PM (6 children)
The internet is stupid.
The people authorized by the Constitution to interpret the Constitution, the Supreme Court, have already ruled on this:
In 1886 they ruled that the equal protection clause in the Constitution applies to immigrants.
Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886) [justia.com]
This is an old, stupid, argument that has been thoroughly debunked. So of course the Republicans LOVE it!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:41PM (5 children)
I think you're a little worked up and/or over caffeinated. Piminu seems to be agreeing with you, unless I need more coffee!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:43PM (3 children)
He's a big boy. He can handle my aggressive agreement.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:52PM (2 children)
I was trying to agree with you.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @08:11PM (1 child)
I know you were asshole!
(Score: 3, Funny) by PiMuNu on Thursday September 17 2020, @08:11AM
Shithead :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:45PM
DMonkey is in a dissociative state and is channeling the spirit of the DNC. Please do not poke the DMonkey.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:12PM (8 children)
The resident leftards rush up to defend the honor of a totalitarian Communist country with concentration camps by insisting the US is just as bad.
Well done, fellow Commies! Always keep up the fight until we are ALL a united workers' paradise.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:23PM
I thought that was Trump's job to defend totalitarian Communist countries?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:26PM (3 children)
I rather think the leftards are condemning both.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:32PM (1 child)
We're forced to talk about the US in this thread because Soylent only allows political stories that Trump would agree with.
So any CHINA=BAD story gets posted but there will never be a story posted about the US forcibly sterilizing women at the border.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:51PM
Forced to squawk? That's fascism! Quick, to the journal!
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:33PM
Leftards are just engaging in whataboutism. Classic Russian tactics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:31PM (2 children)
Predictable alt-right shithead found daily on Soylent News. Go to Nevada, pay for a sexy good time, and chill the fuck out you dingbat.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @05:48PM (1 child)
Predictable China apologist shithead found daily on Soylent News. ¥0.50 has been deposited into your account.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16 2020, @06:39PM
Thanks for the donation, now go back to Trump's butthole where you work overtime keeping his prostate stimulated.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Wednesday September 16 2020, @06:37PM (2 children)
I only lightly skimmed over the article and didn't find anything that read like there had been a breach or data theft, or even that potential backdoor code had been found.
The whole issue seems to be that some of the software provided for a US CNC manufacture's machines is made by a firm that is owned be a Chinese company. That is all. Nothing illegal in that unless there are some sanctions being violated..
Was there actually any proven risk, like back door code in the software, did it phone home, etc., was there any IP theft at all?
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 16 2020, @07:05PM (1 child)
Nope.
But that won't stand in the way of a CHINA=BAD story making the frontpage!
(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Thursday September 17 2020, @10:03AM
thats what I thought.
Thank you for the confirmation, depressing as it is.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 3, Funny) by choose another one on Wednesday September 16 2020, @07:01PM (1 child)
Shame it was spotted early, Chinese stealing tech from Ultra Late Alliance would have set them back years.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 16 2020, @09:52PM
I was going to say: as if Europe didn't steal gunpowder, and the U.S. isn't actively monitoring Chinese technical developments to use whatever they can to advantage?
It's pretty ridiculous to play a game of "us and them" when you are exporting $180B/year to and importing $560B/year from "the enemy."
I'll just repeat my "security briefing" experience with the FBI when working at a private drone development company which was actively, legally, exporting drone tech to foreign militaries and private buyers globally. "Gotta stay vigilant, can't give 'our advantage' away" yeah, dude, except for the fact that we're advertising on the internet, selling to anyone who has the cash, and not doing any sort of IP protection (beyond patent, copyright declaration and trademark registration) on our hardware designs or independently developed software...
🌻🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2) by Username on Thursday September 17 2020, @12:10AM
This company sell chinese made machines, and just slaps Made in USA stickers on them. When you order machines from them the crates have those customs and border mandated flags with china as country of origin. Packing slips with chinese writing.
I'm pretty sure they all do this. Personally I do prefer chinese made machines, but I can understand why a government would want to support business within their country. What these companies are doing is just defrauding the government.
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Thursday September 17 2020, @08:13AM (1 child)
WTF? Explain abbreviations please - most have several definitions these days.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 17 2020, @11:28AM
Read the summary a few times. Slowly. Yes you may move your mouth and point a finger at each word while reading too if it helps.