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posted by requerdanos on Sunday January 03 2021, @03:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the you-are-getting-sleepy dept.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/dec/20/early-humans-may-have-survived-the-harsh-winters-by-hibernating

Bears do it. Bats do it. Even European hedgehogs do it. And now it turns out that early human beings may also have been at it. They hibernated, according to fossil experts.

[...] [S]cientists argue that lesions and other signs of damage in fossilised bones of early humans are the same as those left in the bones of other animals that hibernate. These suggest that our predecessors coped with the ferocious winters at that time by slowing down their metabolisms and sleeping for months.

[...] In a paper published in the journal L'Anthropologie, Juan-Luis Arsuaga – who led the team that first excavated at the site – and Antonis Bartsiokas, of Democritus University of Thrace in Greece, [suggest that] these early humans found themselves "in metabolic states that helped them to survive for long periods of time in frigid conditions with limited supplies of food and enough stores of body fat".

[...] The researchers admit the notion "may sound like science fiction" but point out that many mammals including primates such as bushbabies and lemurs do this. "This suggests that the genetic basis and physiology for such a hypometabolism could be preserved in many mammalian species including humans," state Arsuaga and Bartsiokas.

The pattern of lesions found in the human bones at the Sima cave are consistent with lesions found in bones of hibernating mammals, including cave bears. "A strategy of hibernation would have been the only solution for them to survive having to spend months in a cave due to the frigid conditions," the authors state.

Journal Reference:
Antonis Bartsiokas, Juan-Luis Arsuaga, Hibernation in hominins from Atapuerca, Spain half a million years ago, L'Anthropologie (DOI: 10.1016/j.anthro.2020.102797)


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @03:52AM

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  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:08AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:08AM (#1094160)

    T e r r y * D a v i s:

        His body was recovered following a brutal attack by a clandestine intelligence agency involving a train. Refitted with cyborg like electronics, his new organs grant him a new life and a new friendship. No longer pounding the streets in homelessness, Terry Davis now works with the underground vigilante group AGT (Anti Glow Team). Through it all Terry erects an electronic temple, but can he control the power he has programmed into existence?

    Rated MA for mature (brief nudity, alcohol, drugs, extreme violence and language)

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:11AM (25 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:11AM (#1094161)

    From https://cdreimer.com/ktbb/2017/06/20/the-confessions-of-slashdot-asshats/ [soylentnews.org]

    Several weeks ago I wrote about using the DMCA takedown notices to remove my picture from image websites [soylentnews.org] that Slashdot asshats kept posting for shakes and giggles. What I didn’t mention then was that three users accounts — “criemer,” “creinner” and “cremier,” variations of my Slashdot username — got deleted by management, and I subsequently created new accounts with disposable email addresses to prevent the usernames from being reused. End of story, right? Not quite. An extraordinary set of events shortly thereafter caused another user account to get deleted by management that immediately ended three months of unrelenting harassment towards me.

    Confession

    After I announced in a comment that I’ve successfully taken down all my pictures from various image websites, two users, an Anonymous Coward (or asshat) and “FakeFuck39” (seriously), commented that they “found” more of my pictures in a search result that I failed to notice and provided a new set of image links. What was curious was the very first link had a posted timestamp of 15 minutes earlier. All the links were recently posted. While I copy and pasted a new round of DMCA takedown notices to email, “FakeFuck39” posted a confession about the three deleted user accounts [soylentnews.org].

    those were buddies of mine. one from France, one from Israel, and one of them was from across the table from me. I don’t know who cdreimer was. We had fun for a week or two creating accounts and laughing at you, but posting bullshit on slashdot all day is not what we do, so unlike you we had our fun and stopped creating new accounts. That’s like asking where the basketball players are after the game is over on the playground. They’re at home with their wives in their big house moron.

    An asshat confessed [soylentnews.org] to being “cdreimer,” the user account that started this series of events [soylentnews.org] at the beginning of the Memorial Day holiday weekend.

    cdreimer was me… I don’t know who struck first, cdreimer or criemer, but I know you guys were a lot funnier than me!

    I sent an email to my contact at Slashdot the next morning, pointing out the links to newly uploaded pictures and nostalgic confessions.

    Escalation

    Later that evening I got a comment posted by an asshat [soylentnews.org] written in the same style as “FakeFuck39”:

    your image is all over the internet now, under the filename fatloser.jpg, and a lot of it appears to be coming up on russian hosting sites. have fun “protecting it” -most people would want to hide if they looked like that, from shame of how low they sank. as far as whether it’s legal or not to create accounts making fun of you or spread an image you made available – yes, it is – and no, your opinion is wrong, nor does it count.

    have you noticed no one fights your takedown notices? the game we had you playing was issuing notices after you did the first one for cdreimer. you’re Still playing champ.. Once you get the links posted down, we’ll send you the new ones. I gotta warn you though, the next batch had a little photoshop work done. you’ll love it

    I sent an email to my contact at Slashdot and went to bed.

    “FakeFuck39” commented the next morning [soylentnews.org] with newly uploaded picture links. This was where everything tied together. An asshat promised Photoshoped pictures and “FakeFuck39” delivered the links to the Photoshoped pictures. Could we say that the two were the same person?

    Deletion

    I sent off another email to my contact at Slashdot the next morning. After lunch I got an email from management that “FakeFuck39” would join the other deleted user accounts. I periodically checked throughout the day to see if the account got deleted. When the “FakeFuck39” username became available again, I created a new account to the prevent from the username from being reclaimed by its former user. Unlike the other fake user accounts that got deleted, “FakeFuck39” had two years of comment history and the last three months focused on replying to my comments. The harassment that got started when someone falsely accused me of threatening to shoot them [soylentnews.org] finally came to an abrupt end.

    The asshats, of course, never went away on Slashdot. A dedicated group of Beavis and Butthead types are still replying to my comments for the last two weeks. They’re easy to ignore.

    • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:23AM (24 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:23AM (#1094166)

      I beg all soylentils to mod THE fat fucker down please

      Also, read below why he always talk about Stan Lee.

      Hey there, people, I'm creimy brown
      They say I'm the cutest boy in town
      My car is fast, my teeth is shiney
      I tell all the girls they can kiss my heinie
      Here I am at a famous school
      I'm dressin sharp n I'm
      Actin cool
      I got a cheerleader here wants to help with my paper
      Let her do all the work n maybe later I'll rape her

      Oh God I am the american cream
      I do not think I'm too extreme
      An I'm a handsome sonofabitch
      I'm gonna get a good job n be real rich

      (get a good
      Get a good
      Get a good
      Get a good job)

      Womens liberation
      Came creepin across the nation
      I tell you people I was not ready
      When I fucked this dyke by the name of stanlee
      She made a little speech then,
      Aw, she tried to make me say when
      She had my balls in a vice, but she left the dick
      I guess it's still hooked on, but now it shoots too quick

      Oh God I am the american cream
      But now I smell like vaseline
      An I'm a miserable sonofabitch
      Am I a boy or a lady... I don't know which

      (I wonder wonder
      Wonder wonder)

      So I went out n bought me a leisure suit
      I jingle my change, but I'm still kinda cute
      Got a job doin radio promo
      An none of the jocks can even tell I'm a homo
      Eventually me n a friend
      Sorta drifted along into s&m
      I can take about an hour on the tower of power
      Long as I gets a little golden shower

      Oh God I am the american cream
      With a spindle up my butt till it makes me scream
      An I'll do anything to get ahead
      I lay awake nights sayin, thank you, stan!
      Oh god, oh god, I'm so fantastic!
      Thanks to stanlee, I'm a sexual spastic
      And my name is creimy brown
      Watch me now, I'm goin down,
      And my name is creimy brown
      Watch me now, I'm goin down, etc.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:45AM (23 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:45AM (#1094172)

        Looks like fakefuck39 is spamming SN just he did on Slashdot. That's a shame. We don't need that here. Please stop.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:14AM (22 children)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:14AM (#1094177) Journal

          I propose that the text of items marked "spam" gets automatically put into the spoiler tags so that we don't have to scroll as much. I get that theoretically one could simply browse at 0 or +1, but the mod system here is used politically and so many interesting posts are often at -1 but obvious spam like the above should be dealt with somehow. Yes I can scroll on by, but this stuff is an ugly distraction and honestly, sometimes scrolling hurts my elbow due to old injuries and I'd rather do less of it. Anyway, the "spam" mod would be the perfect place to sweep this shit under the rug. If anyone wanted to check under the rug, they could. Of course, unfair spam mods should be met with consequences for the person doing the unfair mod (and I say this as a person who was once given a 30 day timeout from modding for unfairly using "spam").

          • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:18AM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:18AM (#1094179)

            scrolling hurts my elbow due to old injuries and I'd rather do less of it

            Yes, we pay in old age for the excessively enthusiastic wanking back in the day! But, we make up for it by watching Fox News, with extra blonde bimbos, and then voting Republican! That's the ticket! OK, Boomer Hemocyanist!!

            • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:31AM (7 children)

              by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:31AM (#1094181) Journal

              Sorry -- Gen X, and I prefer brunettes.

              • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @06:15AM (6 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @06:15AM (#1094187)

                Sorry to mis-generation you, but you did not specify pro-noughies. Burning out early, eh? So sad to see someone lose it so badly at such an early age!

                • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:19AM (5 children)

                  by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:19AM (#1094193) Journal

                  Well, at least when I injured my elbow I was doing something deeply rewarding. Some things require a blood sacrifice and that's just the way it is.

                  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:23AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:23AM (#1094194)

                    Well, at least when I injured my elbow I was doing something deeply rewarding.

                    You injured your elbow when you were whacking off.

                    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:27AM (1 child)

                      by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:27AM (#1094209) Journal

                      No -- I hurt my right elbow, not my left. My left hand is just fine.

                      • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday January 04 2021, @04:30AM

                        by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 04 2021, @04:30AM (#1094355) Journal
                        Are you right-handed?








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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:53AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:53AM (#1094199)

                    Nice story [soylentnews.org] you just submitted to the queue. I suppose that was also deeply rewarding.

                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:25AM

                      by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:25AM (#1094207) Journal

                      I read the first couple lines and scrolled to the end. I hope it's just a copypasta search and replace thing. Otherwise, I'd be humbled by the effort, though not quite enough to read it through.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 03 2021, @06:56PM (2 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 03 2021, @06:56PM (#1094231) Journal

            I think I like that idea.

            Nothing is censored, exactly. It's just all collapsed, so we don't have to scroll through it. Good thinking, hemocyanin!

            --
            “I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
            • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday January 04 2021, @04:34AM (1 child)

              by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 04 2021, @04:34AM (#1094358) Journal
              Oh.. that reminds me, if this is implemented could we enable this on posts from users on our foes list? 💩
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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 04 2021, @05:50AM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 04 2021, @05:50AM (#1094376) Journal

                Mehhh - I don't much like that idea. The collapsing thing should only apply to spam, that has first been moderated as such, then said moderation has been checked out and approved of staff.

                If you collapse all comments from foes, it might look like you're talking to yourself!

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:14PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:14PM (#1094236)

            Super mods. Users with IP/User blocking mods. Ad a timeout of two days. Only trustworthy users and maybe two required to vote it.
            I don't know.

          • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday January 03 2021, @11:01PM (8 children)

            by fakefuck39 (6620) on Sunday January 03 2021, @11:01PM (#1094280)

            I guess the subject matter chiming in here... I don't think there's a great way out of this. I've got high karma/upvotes, but I opted out of moderation (not a fun activity). The people spamming though - they have accounts and politically downvote stuff, they just post anything that would lose them karma as AC.

            What they'll switch to if your suggestion is taken (collapse spam mod by default), is start abusing that mod. Yes, they'll get banned. But that requires review by the guys in charge - that's some real annoying work to put on them. They already have to run this site, which is a bit of a thankless gig. And what'll happen is the autists will create a bunch of new accounts, gain upvotes, and start using those to moderate.

            So that's literally introducing a continuous stream of neverending work to people like buzz.

            Now if we had an AI! That fixes everything, or so I've heard. This AI would be simple though - just take a combination of parameters to collapse, and give option to disable. So like AC && SpamMod && (IP that's recorded 10 spam mods per month). There's only so many VPN servers in the world.

            But that's a bit of code, and requires tracking mods and IPs. if marty/tachyon/buzztart want to hire someone to do this, like a cheap perl dev, I think the readers can contribute enough to pay for it. And to make it easier, whatever a dev costs, I'll pay half of the total.

            • (Score: 2, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Monday January 04 2021, @01:12AM (3 children)

              by hemocyanin (186) on Monday January 04 2021, @01:12AM (#1094305) Journal

              It isn't very often that the spam mod gets abused and the person who abuses it gets a substantial timeout from moderation -- in my case it was 30 days. That timeout would limit the amount of abusive spam mods TPTB would have to deal with. The timeout could also escalate -- 30 days first offense, 60 days second, 120 third, etc. The account would quickly accumulate a lifetime moderation ban for abuse which would also keep the burden down.

              • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday January 04 2021, @08:30AM (2 children)

                by fakefuck39 (6620) on Monday January 04 2021, @08:30AM (#1094400)

                No I get that. But then the guy just VPNs to a different server and creates another account - in fact he can create a bunch of accounts from different servers at the same time.

                My main point is it sounds like the timeout thing is not automatic. Can you imagine just 2-3 of these methheads, on like 10 servers each? If that's a manual effort - that's a lot of work for the admins and should probably be replaced by a single page of perl.

                • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Monday January 04 2021, @10:16AM (1 child)

                  by hemocyanin (186) on Monday January 04 2021, @10:16AM (#1094422) Journal

                  Do people instantly get mod points? I thought there was some minimum karma that must be built up to get mod privileges.

                  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by fakefuck39 on Monday January 04 2021, @10:36AM

                    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Monday January 04 2021, @10:36AM (#1094425)

                    From what I noticed, only when you get a bit of karma. When I had low karma shortly after creating the account, I didn't have mod points. After getting high karma I started getting bugged to moderate (so i opted out of moderation). The ACs modding probably have a normal account they use to build up karma to then mod politically. I can see that when I have a normal on-topic post that gets modded up as +4 informative, then a random single troll mod comes in. That's coming from one of these spammer's real accounts. Not exactly sure what they're trying to do, but it's a waste of time figuring out the logical train of thought of a chihuahua on adderall.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 04 2021, @01:23AM (3 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 04 2021, @01:23AM (#1094307) Journal

              There's only so many VPN servers in the world.

              Some of the VPN servers are already banned for AC posts and such. I know, because I've logged in through some of them.

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              • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday January 04 2021, @08:27AM (2 children)

                by fakefuck39 (6620) on Monday January 04 2021, @08:27AM (#1094399)

                lol never change runaway.

                I'm actually a full supporter of AC spam - it's fun to read, and it's nostalgic a bit from crapdot. It's like pepper on your steak. The issue is, the dude pastes pages and pages of the same thing like 50 times. Like it was funny the first time, come up with new shit.

                • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2021, @09:56AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2021, @09:56AM (#1094416)

                  The issue is, the dude pastes pages and pages of the same thing like 50 times. Like it was funny the first time, come up with new shit.

                  You and your friends did a lot of that on Slashdot. It was obnoxious then and it's every bit as asinine here and now. I don't actually give a shit about creimer, but when those comments were spammed 10 or 20 times in a single article in reply to numerous on-topic posts, it was far too disruptive. The problem with the spam here isn't just that the trolling is repetitive, but that it's also angry and vile.

                  Like it was funny the first time, come up with new shit.

                  I'm not sure I agree on the particulars of this statement, but I agree in principle that AC spam isn't necessarily bad. Much of the AC spam from old school Slashdot wasn't actually from ACs but from troll accounts with karma so low they automatically posted at -1.

                  For me, the distinction is something that's light-hearted and silly, perhaps dumb, versus something that's malicious and mean-spirited. A lot of the light-hearted AC spam became a part of Slashdot culture. I'm talking about Natalie Portman and hot grits, IN SOVIET RUSSIA, Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?, ALL YOUR ____ ARE BELONG TO US, *BSD is dying, the app appers guy, the cows guy, and so on. Even the IF I EVER MEET YOU, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS GUY was actually pretty damn funny. Even tricking people into clicking goatsex links eventually became a part of the culture of that site to the point that occasionally goatsex links would be modded +5 funny.

                  Trolls posted these comments frequently enough, once per story, but across many stories, that they because part of the culture of the community. The problem is that trolls doing the same thing here, posting these light-hearted comments in many stories, would quickly bring out the spam mod. There's no opportunity for the light-hearted trolls to be repeated often enough that they become recurring jokes.

                  If you want the AC spam that you fondly remember -- and I agree with you, by the way -- then the definition of the spam mod needs to change. It needs to be restricted to malicious comments like APK's spam and not to stupid light-hearted trolling. I do give APK a bit of credit for finding a way around the lameness filter to post ASCII goatsex, he just shouldn't have posted it in like 20 articles. Now, if 10 IN SOVIET RUSSIA comments show up in one article, sure, spam mod them. But as long as it's not excessive in a single article, light-hearted trolling that's repeated across different articles should be exempt from the spam mod.

                  I can get behind what you're suggesting provided the spam mod criteria are changed a bit.

                  • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday January 04 2021, @10:17AM

                    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Monday January 04 2021, @10:17AM (#1094423)

                    Every post I made on slashdot was original content. The guy literally posted many times that the reason he is on slashdot was to spam the articles and create sales on his amazon page, which he vigorously advertised. People had enough, and we used all methods at our disposal to successfully get his account banned. We removed the spammer. But none of that was by spamming ourselves, or pasting the same crap over and over the comments.

                    We attacked the spammer, not the readers. What's going on here is the opposite.

                    Let's say this spammer AC wants to attack me. Flooding the articles with repetitive copypasta does zezo to me, I literally don't care. I read it the first time, laugh, then I have to click collapse when I see it again - like everyone else who reads at -1. This is an annoyance to everyone - albeit a minor one.

                    the lameness filter sucks though - ASCII goatsex is funny, there's no reason to filter it. It adds humor and flavor to the discussion. It's the repetitive shit that needs to go.

                    Maybe the real simple solution is just to not allow posts that are completely identical? It's an easy grep filter, and this will at least make the spammer have to spend more time to modify each post? That's a low hanging fruit if I ever saw one.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:21AM (7 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:21AM (#1094165) Journal

    Whoa, never guessed our ancestors hibernated. It's an intriguing notion, and I don't quite buy it. If we did it, why did we stop?

    I would have thought that our mastery of fire was how our ancestors handled harsh winters. Fire, the ability to build shelters, and to make and wear clothing.

    On the other hand, there sure isn't much that can be done when the ground is under 10 feet of soft snow. Still less when a blizzard is raging. It's downright dangerous to be outside in such conditions.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:26AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:26AM (#1094168)

      Beeb doesn't believe it [sciencefocus.com], but they seem to have gotten the timeline way off.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:16AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:16AM (#1094178)

      It's downright dangerous to be outside in such conditions.

      Let alone attempt to leave the European Union! Madness, I tell you! Madness and frozen dogs!!!

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:58AM (#1094200)

      FUCK YOU ASSHOLE

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by driverless on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:53AM

      by driverless (4770) on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:53AM (#1094212)

      Some people still hibernate. I have a cow-orker who regularly hibernates between 9am and 5pm, five days a week. On weekends he sleeps in front of his TV to catch up from the strenuous week at the office.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:40PM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:40PM (#1094246) Journal

      It wasn't necessarily "humans" who hibernated. Any, or even all, of our pre-human ancestors might have been hibernation nuts. That wouldn't necessarily mean that "humans" hibernated. All that they seem to have found, are some "wear patterns" in early human bones that are similar to what we see in animals that do hibernate.

      With or without hibernation, we might presume that a lot of early humans spent a lot of time in the winter, lounging around in their caves (or other sheltered areas) to avoid going out in the cold. Things changed a lot when Sears Roebuck started selling winter clothes for mail delivery!

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Immerman on Sunday January 03 2021, @11:35PM

        by Immerman (3985) on Sunday January 03 2021, @11:35PM (#1094287)

        Quite so.

        And in fact, if our ancestors did hibernate, mastering fire might well have have been a big part of the reason we stopped - fire provides both heat and a wealth of food-preservation options.

        Promising finding for both medicine and space travel if true - it makes it much more likely that artificial hibernation would be relatively simple to induce without harmful side effects. And hibernation not only greatly reduces demands on food, oxygen, and how fast you die, it also suspends the muscle-atrophy process that otherwise causes "useless" muscle to be re-absorbed. I imagine an IV drip could take the place of large fat stores on a multi-month trip across the solar system, allowing you to avoid months of resource-intensive cabin fever, and wake up at your destination with your full muscle mass.

        Even just "turning off" the muscle atrophy aspect would have numerous uses. For working in space obviously, but also for maintaining that body-builder physique without maintaining the exercise regime.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2021, @03:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2021, @03:58AM (#1094346)

      Speculation: I'm thinking of some of the "mind over body" tricks that Tibetan/Buddhist monks do, like raising their body temperature to melt frozen sheets, https://www.buzzworthy.com/monks-raise-body-temperature/ [buzzworthy.com] and also control their heart rate down to very slow (quick search didn't find a link, but I've read about this in the past).

      If modern humans can do things like this (with long training), it may be that they are learning how to access capabilities that we "lost" generations ago, once life got easier with things like fire and shelter?

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by istartedi on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:54AM (5 children)

    by istartedi (123) on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:54AM (#1094173) Journal

    TFS doesn't mention seasonal affective disorder [wikipedia.org], which seems like as good an indicator as any that some of us would still prefer to hibernate. If they do a genetic study of people with SAD, maybe they'll find something. If most people just hunkered down in Winter, there could have been a transition point where most people were more likely to find a mate by having a more balanced activity profile, but not to the point where the old ways totally died out. We've still got Neanderthal genes, so why not traces of hibernation?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:08AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:08AM (#1094175)
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:28AM (#1094196)

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by istartedi on Sunday January 03 2021, @08:54AM (1 child)

        by istartedi (123) on Sunday January 03 2021, @08:54AM (#1094204) Journal

        I took a look at the abstract and the article. The abstract mentions that they polled for *depression* indicators (emphasis mine), and the article expands on the idea that SAD may be characterized as something other than depression. The "doesn't exist" in the headline is a bit sensationalist--shame on them. I thought SA was holding up; but it's been a long time since I've read them.

        SAD may be characterized with a different set of questions, or measurement of sleep habits. I don't think that one study can bury it.

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        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday January 04 2021, @02:46AM

          by Reziac (2489) on Monday January 04 2021, @02:46AM (#1094323) Homepage

          I read it and said... correlation not causation. Thyroid decline (through age or disease) = higher parathyroid levels (compensating for effects on calcium cycle) = osteoporosis. Thyroid decline = SAD ie. can't keep up in colder weather. Hibernation mechanism may be related, but doesn't mean humans hibernated, only that the endocrine complex is more or less universal in mammals.

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    • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:56PM

      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Sunday January 03 2021, @09:56PM (#1094270)

      And actually the common thing where people gain winter pounds and have a predisposition to getting fat. If you look at how effective someone overweight is - an obese person wouldn't perform very well as a caveman. Yet it's easy for us to get fat, and we gain weight as winter starts.

      This does sound like it could be a remnant of late winter short hibernation. From fall we could save some dried grains, some vegetables mature close to winter - so a month or two perhaps we're ok, and the ancestors were designed to bulk up as winter starts. Then in the north, as it gets ridiculously cold like February, we sleep in an underground cave for a month.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:55AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @04:55AM (#1094174)

    Sleeping away Covid madness sounds grand to me.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:34AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:34AM (#1094182)

      Try some opioids.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:13AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @05:13AM (#1094176)

    Yes, this is not the Way.

  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:30AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:30AM (#1094197)

    Early Humans May Have Survived the Harsh Winters

    and now thanks to our beautiful CO2 emissions:

    Harsh Winters May Not Survive the Humans

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:41AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @07:41AM (#1094198)

      Oh no, MUH CLIMATE!!!

      Even if your made up science amoutned to anything, it still doesn't mean Humans should inhabit the deserts of California.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @08:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2021, @08:22AM (#1094202)

    See subject: ANTIFA terrorists aren't jews?

    Lookup "Haaretz" and "ANTIFA" and see JEWS state "jewish antifa" as its roots!

    Advocacy group: Israel is a pedophile's paradise

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/advocacy-group-israel-is-a-pedophile-s-paradise-1.262570 [haaretz.com]

    Yeshiva teacher admits to sexually abusing boy

    http://www.jta.org/2013/05/13/news-opinion/united-states/yeshiva-teacher-admits-to-sexually-abusing-boy [jta.org]

    The Jewish Child Rape Assembly Line

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11 [vice.com]

    Sex slaves in the Holy Land, then and now

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hookers-in-the-holy-land-an-uncomfortable-history-in-israel/ [timesofisrael.com]

    Israel Cracking Down on Human Sex Slave Trade for Fear of losing American Aid

    http://davidduke.com/israel-cracking-down-on-human-sex-slave-trade-for-fear-of-losing-american-aid/ [davidduke.com]

    The Jewish Billionaire Pedophile's Sex Den

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/22/jeffrey-epstein-pedophile-billionaire-and-his-sex-den.html [thedailybeast.com]

    Child Sex Abuse Cover-up in Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Communities

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrEfIwgmtk [youtube.com]

    Jews traffic European children for CP snuff porn

    http://www.prothink.org/2012/12/13/italian-russian-police-break-up-child-snuff-porn-ring/ [prothink.org]

    Ashkenazi Jews (the majority of them) do NOT have ancestral lineage from the tribe of SHEM (semitic) either, eh? Not.

    So why are all these JUDEN turning up dirty? They can't help it. They are of LOW CRUDE THIEVING NATURE by nature.

    See What World-famous Men have said About the Jews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MYPzKNQUE0/ [youtube.com]

    "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." - George Washington

    Winston Churchill "There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews"

    Since Marx, Trotsky (and many more) involved in COMMUNISM or BOLSHEVISM were NOT RUSSIAN (or others), but in facts JEWS!

    OFTEN FINANCED BY JEW BANKERS (part of the creation of the not @ all FEDERAL RESERVE in the USA) like Warburg, Schiff etc.!

    (and, ignored by internationally owned JEW PRESS (many listed far below even today moreso))

    Wherever they went they brought political and financial infiltration and corruption, moral decay (drugs, pornography + ridiculing Christianity and homosexuality etc.) to BREAK nations! See anything like THAT in the USA (and other nations) today? I do. I'm NOT BLIND (or blinded by JEW media bullshit).

    NEVER FORGET ISRAEL's ATTACK on the USS LIBERTY in 1967 where dozens of US soldiers were killed by YOODZ!

    (Yet our INFILTRATED JEWsa/JEWNited States of AMERIKA sends them BILLIONS every year?)

    Israeli MOSSAD kills ANY non-jew & tries BLAME in on Arabs? The MOSSAD MOTTO (false flag):

    "By way of deception thou shalt make war"

    SCUMBAG JUDEN SLIME playing BITCH GAMES (like the NOT-MEN BITCHES they clearly are as a religious cult of CUNT WEEZILS!)

    Ariel Sharon Oct 3 2001" "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel: We, the Jewish people, CONTROL AMERICA and the Americans KNOW it"

    https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com]

    THE LINK ABOVE SHOWS JEWS making toys, their women dressing as 9/11 buildings, and CELEBRATING 9/11 World Trade Center bombings (MOSSAD MOTTO of false flag BITCH GAME TACTICS again, is "By deception we make war" LYING FILTHY BITCHBOY JUDENS!!!)

    FUNNY THEY SAY THAT IN THIS LINK TOO https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] eh? Not.
    JEWS ARE LIARS, period.

    THE JEW WILL USE 'SUBTERFUGE WORDING' but has no out on any of the above.

    RACISM is exemplified by ISRAEL allowing citizenship ONLY to 100% by blood jews (which they are NOT, no real semite blood in them - palestinians have FAR MORE) yet they claim "ISRAEL IS VERY INTERNATIONAL"? Of course - jews can't SUCKER & ABUSE their own - they NEED VICTIMS there (& all over the planet too)!

    Jews claim anti-semitism when they are proven racists themselves from their own book of cultural laws the talmud shown in part above.

    Try "jew guilt" us?

    There's plenty in that link to their talmud cultural laws and their history to be guilty of.

    EVERY PRIME MINISTER of "Israel" (since 1947 iirc) has been an ASHKENAZI FAKE JEW/KHAZAR/TATAR!

    4. Zionist Jews: these & KHAZARIANS/TATARS/MONGOLIAN in #3 are the ones from the 3 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons (forced on them by russians ages ago whom they VOW to destroy for destroying the Khazarian/Tatar empire) but who’re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.

    "SABBATEAN FRANKISTS" (french revolution) = jews & these ones are truly BAD!

    God's chosen people?

    Easy to say when THEY wrote the bible too but gave it away here (predicting them in prophecy, predicting KHAZARIAN FAKE JEWS aka "Ashkenazi" jews - Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie" (seems they like lying too, see above on subterfuge wording and false oaths KALNIDRA see above):

    Why do they circumcize you goy now? To hide. It's how nazis caught them and the jews control medicine in the USA too.

    Musk's expertly correct on jew media "he said the Jewish media was slimy\dishonest" https://dailystormer.name/eternal-jew-to-elon-musk-you-merely-adopted-the-butthurt-i-was-born-in-it-molded-by-it/ [dailystormer.name]

    Who controls advertising? https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-advertising/ [wordpress.com]

    The NOT FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS? Unconstitutional! Jefferson wrote U.S. Currency/Money MUST be GOLD & SILVER BACKED (which heavily defeats INFLATION caused by FIAT currency "GNP" (gross national product/exports backed in other words) based monies with NO precious metal behind them, which is FINE as long as your EXPORTS are greater than IMPORTS (which they are not, nor will they be ALLOWED to be once MANUFACTURING is moved overseas/offshore, since payroll rates IS THE SINGLE EASIEST THING TO CONTROL & profit by when you can pay offshore labor PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR - jobs leave, you lose your HOME (mortgage) unable to pay it down & WHO PROFITS? JUDEN BANKERS via the IMF who runs the "NOT FEDERAL RESERVE" with no reserves) - The "FED" is NOT put into legal law by a MAJORITY OF CONGRESS either (most of congress was on vacation, thus NO MAJORITY, under Woodrow the FOOL TOOL Wilson - neither is the FEDERAL INCOME TAX, which is WHY they LITERALLY STEAL IT FROM YOU before you get a paycheck as they too KNOW it is not legal either).

    The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .

    But apparently it's ok to say shit on non jews but if you tell truth of jews from that or their exile ridden history by many nations it's "anti semitism"?

    Most especially not when Freedom of speech and free speech zone bs is subverting the USA itself yet they can put out blatant racist and satanic text from their talmud? Please. Double standards galore! Guess that's the power of "despoiled monies" worldwide throughout history gets you.

    Anyone wonder why Jews are deleting this post or downmod hiding censoring it? Don't. It's facts about them they do NOT want exposed. Think for yourself and do NOT let JUDEN media think for you.

    President Xi dictator & his DAVOS fake jew allies said they would crush Trump & the US @ Davos (look it up).

    APK

    P.S.=> The "Mighty" Buzzard needs to stop censoring & bullying me... apk

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Sunday January 03 2021, @08:41PM (1 child)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Sunday January 03 2021, @08:41PM (#1094253) Journal

    I buy that humans in primitive settings would sleep a lot and do very little to conserve heat and calories. Watch those survival shows where participants compete to stay out in the wilderness the longest, and the ones that have trouble securing a reliable food supply and shelter hunker down and stop moving for days. There have also been cases where people are injured and trapped in remote places and their bodies slow to a flicker of activity to try to survive.

    It seems a step too far, though, to say that humans used to actually hibernate the way bears do.

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  • (Score: 2) by Pav on Tuesday January 05 2021, @12:25AM

    by Pav (114) on Tuesday January 05 2021, @12:25AM (#1094773)

    ...in all mammals?

        I haven't looked at this topic in a while, but apparently hydrogen sulphide puts all mammals into suspended animation (well, up until the point they die). There was a theory that this was an adaption to the conditions that existed during the Permian Mass Extinction and periodic exposure to hydrogen sulphide which might have blow in from dead seas, swamps, lakes etc... ie. falling into a hibernation-like state gave some protection against dying of hydrogen sulphide intoxication. Brown bears use this mechanism during hibernation, and there were thoughts it could be used to put humans into hibernation for long periods during eg. a trip to mars.

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