These 'vaccine hunters' are getting their shots ahead of schedule by gaming the system:
Medina, a healthy 25-year-old, moved across the country to live with her parents on the East Coast after her work in the film industry dried up. Anxious to return to work safely, Medina decided in mid-January to go "vaccine dumpster diving."
Though a dumpster, this was not. Rather than dig through a hospital's garbage for vials, Medina staked out a grocery store pharmacy. She wanted to score a leftover vaccine.
She and a friend arrived in the early afternoon, prepared to wait. A line formed behind them. Hours later, when the day's appointments were done, pharmacy staff offered up eight leftover vaccines. Medina and her friend gleefully claimed two of them.
These vaccine seekers, spurred by reports of doses being dumped and feeling antsy for the country's vaccine rollout to pick up the pace, say they want to prevent waste -- by getting their shot early.
They see it as a win-win: They get vaccinated and a precious dose of the Covid-19 vaccine doesn't end up in the trash. But their gain is also a symptom of a lack of coordination in the US vaccination plan -- the initial rollout was much slower than expected, delaying President Joe Biden's plan for "100 million vaccinations in 100 days."
The lucky -- and privileged -- few who get vaccinated early assure what they're doing isn't wrong, although it certainly feels unfair to those who don't have the time or resources to "hunt" for their own.
Unsurprisingly, the hunters have been criticized for "jumping the line." But the hunters argue what they do is more ethical than letting the vaccines expire.
[...] And despite the incredibly high demand for vaccines , vaccination sites across the country have reportedly discarded precious doses after they weren't administered in time. (Both Pfizer and Moderna's Covid-19 vaccines only last a few hours unrefrigerated -- Pfizer's will expire within two hours , and Moderna's within 12 , after the vials are removed from the fridge.)
What are the options? Which ones are fair — and why?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:29AM (10 children)
Before the conservtards get all wadded up over welfare queens or people standing in line to score an expiring vaccine...
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:24AM (2 children)
Sorry, Biden's administration is in charge now.
(Score: 2) by ledow on Wednesday February 03 2021, @11:34AM (1 child)
And Trump had been in charge for four years when all the "electoral fraud" happened.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:21PM
That was the Deep State, dummy -- the all-powerful, undetectable, Deep State. All the Bad Stuff(tm) was them.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:35AM (1 child)
So let me get this straight and thorough:
Losing 20 million vaccines: Blame it on Trump & goons
Whinging about it and not doing anything to recover it: Blame it on Biden & cronies.
America just went from The Joker to The Penguin as their chief honcho - are we not entertained? Yes we are. Yes we are.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday February 04 2021, @03:54AM
Well, let's see what's actually being done:
So typical Trump shitshow. And as of the above story, they had a week to clean it up? I'm willing to grant them some leniency. And at the end of the story:
Projections that turn out otherwise. Another Trump thing.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:36AM (3 children)
To be expected. 20 million doses on the Russian black market aught to just cover his defense costs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:04AM (2 children)
20 million of his closest buddles, CEOs and "important people" just got their dose without making the news. Meanwhile... WELFARE QUEENS OMYGGGGGGGGGGGOD!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @06:20AM (1 child)
So, how many rolls of toilet paper do I need to trade to get a shot on the black market? Asking for a friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:32AM
weare talking football fields lengths of paper.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04 2021, @01:47AM
Oh no, preempting fake outrage because you cannot be outraged sicne no Orange-man-bad?
Only thing that makes this article transparent to anyone with a brain is the use of the world "privledge." Including such a buzz word let's me know all I need about the quality of journalism, the content, and the accuracy of said article.
You see much like the national press of my previously communist homeland, the US press makes things worth only of consideration while there is a distinct shortage of toilet paper. And though the general public here is new to the idea of shortage of toiletries, do not worry! With time they will become all too familiar with their new economic path's shortcommings.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:30AM (27 children)
There are many of us who don't want the vaccines. There are some who can't wait to get it. Those of us who don't want it, just don't care if someone else is "unfairly" getting a dose early. Let them run to the front of the line, and those of us who don't want to be guinea pigs can go our own way.
Let the market decide, right?
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:40AM (12 children)
It's not the free market that decides the fate of anti-vaxxers, it's viruses.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by unauthorized on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:40AM (11 children)
Reluctance to take novel poorly tested treatments for relatively low-risk diseases is not unreasonable, especially if you're a low-risk factor yourself. It's nothing like refusing to accept the proven effectiveness and safety of well-tested treatments backed by decades of data of it's application.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:06AM (3 children)
The DON'T get one. Christ! It's not like they're forcing everyone to get gay-married like Obama did.
(Score: 2) by kazzie on Wednesday February 03 2021, @06:46AM (2 children)
When did Obama get gay-married?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:01AM (1 child)
Are you kidding? Joan Rivers died soon after revealing this:
https://archive.org/details/BitChute-xzFKsMWgJ89P [archive.org]
(Score: 2) by kazzie on Thursday February 04 2021, @05:56AM
I really though I was mis-reading the earlier post.
That story definitely didn't do the rounds in Europe...
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday February 03 2021, @12:46PM (5 children)
> Reluctance to take novel poorly tested treatments for relatively low-risk diseases is not unreasonable
It's worth pointing out that herd immunity is a thing - so if you refuse to be vaccinated, then you are relying on others to take a risk (in so far as there is one) to reduce the pandemic.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:44PM (2 children)
Funny thing is, the mRNA 'vaccines' do not prevent you from catching and spreading Covid-19, they'll stop you from getting sick from the infection (that is, unless you're one of the unlucky ones where it has no bloody effect...estimated between 3000-4000 people for the US population).
So, under normal circumstances, someone who wont exhibit an asymptomatic response catches the thing, falls obviously ill, removes themselves from circulation for the duration of the illness phase (an initial two weeks of fun, followed by months of WTF?, been there...)
Now, thanks to Mr mRNA, everyone 'vaccinated' becomes a potential asymptomatic Covid-19 carrier...by no stretch of the imagination is that 'herd immunity'.
Ask yourself the question about this, not cui bono, but cui prodest?
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:31PM
This is correct. However, turning a potentially deadly disease into nothing worse than a mild cold is a victory as well.
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @09:16PM
The current advice is to keep wearing a mask after getting vaccinated, once enough people are vaccinated we'll be able to drop mask rules.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:02PM
For now there's NO scientific evidence that these vaccines prevent those vaccinated from being carriers. AFAIK the vaccines have NOT been tested for this purpose.
If you don't take the vaccine but stay at home there's even less chances of you infecting other people compared to if you took the vaccine and started roaming around everywhere "coz you've got the vaccine, hurray!".
For an example of a vaccine that doesn't block transmission/spread that well: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150624071018.htm [sciencedaily.com]
Note that it seems nobody tested that vaccine to see if it blocked transmission. So I doubt it's standard practice to test vaccines for this.
I'm neither an antivaxxer nor one of those fanatical provaxxers, I follow the science, and if you look at the details of the most popular covid-19 vaccines it's very messy (just like most biological stuff). The issue is we have billions of stupid people who'd only get vaccinated if they're lied to and told it's 100% safe. But the fact is nothing is 100% safe. If you go around injecting billions of people, many thousands will die, that's just what happens when you administer a treatment to billions. To make things worse it seems many people have experienced strong side effects after the covid-19 vaccines. So if someone happens to be one of those really too weak or too unlucky, they're going to die[1] or suffer long term damage.
The other crazy thing is the UK Gov is changing the vaccine dosage schedule AGAINST the vaccine manufacturers advice and recommendations!
[1] That said if I was really sick and terminally ill I might sign up for the vaccine as an attempt at "legal euthanasia"... If you think countries won't waste covid-19 vaccines on terminally ill patients, go check out Norway...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04 2021, @02:27AM
Naming the mRNA cocktail a "vaccine" should be a capital crime.
(Score: 2) by Spamalope on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:37PM
Just FYI, risk of death isn't the only factor to consider.
A personal friend has lung and heart damage. She was not 'high risk', and her case was 'mild'. Mild in the literature just means not bad enough to require hospitalization.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:27AM (12 children)
Part of the issue is that they've been overly specific about whom does and doesn't qualify for the relatively few doses we've got. Grocery workers basically won't get vaccines unless there are spare doses that would otherwise expire, but folks that have no need to ever leave their houses will get vaccinated. It makes little sense, if we were serious about this, we'd be vaccinating those that are high risk and those that are likely to spread the virus if infected.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:20AM (2 children)
Of course we're not anywhere near serious. If we were serious, every airline in the world would be 100% grounded. There would be no international border crossings. None. We would be quarantined within our own countries, with no one going in or out. The individual states and provinces would be quarantined against outside contamination. The new Clown in Chief wouldn't be talking about lifting travel restrictions, he would be imposing more.
Instead of imposing quarantines, we play silly authoritarian games with masks and other silly shit.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:12AM
Sorry Runway. We'll try harder to convince the lovely people next time.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:00AM
This is stupid. You can't have full flow international travel, true, but you can safely have more than none.
Swinburne Island [wikipedia.org], Hoffman Island [wikipedia.org] at the time.
Quarantine hotels [health.gov.au] nowadays.
Which actually would not be a bad idea, given that on-off and lax restrictions are what brought three additional, more infectious, variants [wired.com] into this world.
Of course, anyone who want to do it will have to pay for it [reddit.com], but that's exactly what NZ and Australia did and we started to get out of the recession in spite of the ongoing spat with China.
And of course I'm not under any illusions that this can work with a high amount of backwater assholes shouting "mah liburty, hoax and cannibalistic pedophile elites".
This is why you can't have nice things, Runaway. Assholes pair well with shitholes, so shitholes is what you get to live with.
Speaking of self-confessed assholes, how's that moron labe [fandom.com] helping you deal with the virus?
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:09AM (5 children)
Statisticians have used statistical means to prove remote viewing is possible, if not probable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrwAiU2g5RU [youtube.com]
So why not hire teams of remote viewers? Very simple. Let them glimpse into the lives and determine if a vaccine is needed.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:14AM (2 children)
Um... I believe the remote viewers are busy defending us from intergalactic invaders right now. Best not disturb them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:43AM (1 child)
All the remote viewers I know are using it to detect covid heavy places to avoid. They say you can see it sparkle in the air. Usually it is heavy near Walmart, Amazon warehouses, etc.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @09:59AM
I f*kin LOVE sparkles!
(Score: 3, Touché) by FatPhil on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:41PM (1 child)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:04PM
"What I found was amazing consistency across the different laboratories that were studying this. And that doesn't happen if it's just a fluke. And so what I found was overwhelming statistical evidence, you know, ten to the billion, or whatever, against chance for the data just by combining the data across all laboratories. The skeptic who was working with me agreed that there was overwhelming statistical evidence, he just didn't agree with what was causing it, he had no alternative explanation." (E&OE, hand transcribed just now)
Whereas that's not what happened according to 'the skeptic':
According to Hyman "the overwhelming amount of data generated by the viewers is vague, general, and way off target. The few apparent hits are just what we would expect if nothing other than reasonable guessing and subjective validation are operating." (from Utt's Wikipedia page)
She says he "agreed", he says he didn't. When one person says the other agrees, and the other says he does not - who do you believe?
She was already deeply embedded in woowoo, and she says 10^1000000000:1. He says there's no difference from gueswork. Who do you believe? Which outcome do you expect to be reproducable? Have you found someone who's won Randi's million dollars yet?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:55AM (1 child)
Look, even extremely introverted recluses such as myself have to take the trash out. Plus even one such as I will occasionally feel a strange urge to have the sunlight dance upon my bare skin. Sure, I scream "It burns! It burns!" and run back inside for a few more years, but don't say I never leave the house.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:01PM
Heh, I have that problem with the sunlight, and I'm outside a lot...it's the old celtic genes here though, fair skinned Scot with a side helping of Irish ancestry...Scotland, the land where 100W bulbs should have a skin cancer warning sticker on the box.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @09:53AM
Not true, grocery workers are essential and high priority. Most grocery stores are also distribution partners, so they might have an easier time than other essential workers.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:25AM
Runaway1956 is always a TROLL? Hummm. I think the mod system is broken. Or maybe the "News is people" is broken. Fuck all you assholes....
Give the man a break. Your so butt hurt in your head that you can't even ignore him if you wanted too. Fuck off assholes.....
Just keep telling them like it is Runaway.....
SJW = thought vampires. They hide in the dark corners of their minds and feed on the hate of all others. The light of facts and truth hurt their thought patterns so bad that they can't function; so they ignore them.
Signed...
STW=Social Truth Winner
Be a winner, tell the truth.
(Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:37AM (4 children)
the chemists will soon start destroying the "expired" vials rather than give them away to avoid a lawsuit. All it takes is one vaccine hunter to screw up and hurt themselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @12:46PM (3 children)
But the shot is safe right? Can't hurt yourself with it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:28PM (2 children)
Safe, for their current interpretation of that word.
As the things have not been as rigourously tested as they should have been before deployment thanks to 'the emergency' the word should be prefixed with probably.
Mind you, we are living in strange times when it comes to the meaning of words, Samuel Johnson and Noah Webster would, no doubt, be most vexatiously apopletic over what they've done with 'woman', for example...we are, to all intents and purposes, living now in the world through Carroll's 'looking glass'...
There are so many 'Humpty Dumptys' out there now, it's no longer safe to assume that safe means safe...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:27PM (1 child)
No there's only one Numpty and he's going to prison.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @06:58PM
You're wrong there...
we've a whole bunch of them this side of the pond as well, prison is far too good for the cunts...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:38AM (17 children)
The US knew how to handle epidemics, and taught others how to do it.
Once upon a time.
Thanks Trump.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:47AM (3 children)
They sure do [history.com].
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:52AM
Handling epidemic is different from racist medical experiment.
The US history has a lot to answer for, but your comment is out and out irrelevant.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @08:32AM (1 child)
Herpa hurr durr derpa! Imma Liburtarian! I found this one example and it proves gummit can't work! Get gummit outta mah medicare and social security!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 03 2021, @09:43AM
With that quote, we're now up to three examples of gummit not working.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:57AM (10 children)
West Virginia, you know, those uneducated poor rednecks you all love to hate, was known for having the most efficient vaccination system [nytimes.com] in the U.S. because they improvised on the fly regardless of what everybody else's bullshit bureaucratic guidelines were.
Of course, I believe that COVID hysteria is a political hoax. Many say that the handling of COVID sank Trump's chances at re-election -- I partially agree because he didn't do enough to call out the bullshit for what it really was and use more of his muscle to keep everywhere open while Democrat-funded corporate brownshirts Antifa and BLM were beating the shit out of mom-and-pop stores. But in his defense, maybe he was smart to pass that hot potato over to an unlikable administration that wants to call half the country "terrorists." Yeah, that'll go over well.
This whole hoax in general -- the coincidental panic over COVID coupled with Antifa and BLM violence -- reeks of a rushed poorly-served banquet in a fancy restaurant. In a proper multi-course meal, the courses are served slowly one-by-one so that your salads are cool, your steaks are hot, and your dessert's ice cream is intact with its fudge still hot. Well, something happened that caused them to get sloppy and bring the whole thing out at once so that salads were stale, steaks were cold, and the ice cream was all melted, desserts had to be eaten alongside appetizers; and all that left a very bad taste in the mouths of people now expecting the Democrats to somehow fix this all. Let's hope the restaurant is under new management in 2-4 years.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:22AM
So you're an idiot, believe we all knew that ;-)
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:36AM (2 children)
Of course West Virginia is more efficient. They have plenty of practice handing out welfare checks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:47AM (1 child)
You didn't address his point that W Va is embarrassing the liberal coastal cities with its efficiency in vaccinating its population. Why is that? Does the truth hurt? Could it be that liberal states are lumbering and incompetent bureaucracies that can never get it done since they are all TALK and little ACTION?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:08AM
Well there's not very many people in WV, and they're all relative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:09AM (5 children)
How dare you suggest my lying on the couch scarfing beer for six months on full pay is a hoax. How DARE you, Sir.
(Score: 0) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:14AM (4 children)
You might have a job if companies were hiring you rather than Indians or Mexicans. You might have had a job if companies were serious about hiring then rather than waiting for Biden to get elected so they could wait another six months to hire Indians or Mexicans instead. You might have a job if companies were willing to pay you more than you were making on unemployment.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:24AM (3 children)
I didnt' realize I could claim unemployment while still getting paid. The Indians and Mexicans must know something I don't, I bow to their superior scam.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:33AM (2 children)
California alone had billions of dollars in fraudulent claims. Word on the street is that they all went towards Newsom's botox and chemical skin-peels, and paying his Antifa buddies to double-dip pretending to live both here and in Portland. Pallets of bricks are mighty expensive.
What I'd like to know is which epoxy Newsom uses for that perfect comic supervillain hairstyle. I expect to see him and Gretchen Bitchmer working for the U.N. pretty soon.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:23AM
Don't you claim to be from Cali? And aren't you unemployed? I sense a feeling I haven't felt in days, a disturbance in the fabric of society, an almost trumpian ripple.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @10:14AM
Whitmer is fine, just ignore the mask policies you don't like, because the cops and businesses don't care either. She's the best governor Michigan has had in my lifetime, which admittedly isn't a high bar.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:06AM
Citation provided [theatlantic.com]
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04 2021, @02:30AM
Why don't you take a trip down memory lane (I know a year is forever for a simpleton) and see how Democrats were reacting to Trump's proposed travel ban. Sure knowing now that we had to stop travel from EVERYWHERE, not just Asia (Since Chinese tourists already spread it far and wide before it even hit our radar), means it would not be so effective. But imagine fi he proposed ban on ALL travel from abroad. Holy shit, the Democrats would go ape-shit.
(Score: 1, Touché) by SomeGuy on Wednesday February 03 2021, @01:52AM (15 children)
So these idiots are happily out and about all over the place standing around places where sick people go. It would be irony if some of these people actually got covid while trying to get the vaccine.
Or they could just stay home. Oh, they are wearing their mask, which makes them invulnerable, right? Well, maybe while they are out they could pick up some of those covid tests that require a stupid toy smart phone. (Like everyone has one of those obnoxious toys, well these idiots obviously would)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:27AM (4 children)
Hey smart guy, can you find any citations for demonstrations of contagion masked outside at 2m? Because if it's fine to wait in line to enter the grocer, it's equally fine to wait for a fucking vaccine so that you can stop adding to risk of everyone around you.
I'm all for people not needlessly going out in a pandemic. Going out to get vaccinated from a dose which would otherwise be wasted is the exact opposite of needless risk.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:40AM (3 children)
Almost all transmission is airborn:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33529233/ [nih.gov]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33519256/ [nih.gov]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33458756/ [nih.gov]
Sending everyone into the same few big box stores instead of a bunch of little stores works to spread the virus.
Personally, fecal plumes seem to be the biggest issue. This is why china says anal swabbing is more effective as a test.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @06:11AM (2 children)
I fart lethally in your general direction!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @06:27AM (1 child)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-26/coronavirus-in-vacant-apartment-suggests-toilets-role-in-spread [bloomberg.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:17PM
They closed the local public toilets here, people then started using the ones in the nearby supermarket....
One mass Covid outbreak and two dead members of staff later...
It's an amusing observation that our ancestors had this crazy fucking idea, even when we started building houses with sanitation in mind, that toilets should be outside, seperate from where we eat, sleep and live...
then, as we didn't like getting cold or wet, we brought them inside..
(Score: 2) by unauthorized on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:43AM (3 children)
Wearing masks is about risk migration. Nobody in their right mind things masks make you invulnerable.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:10AM (1 child)
Or cosplay. That's how I prefer to see it - we're all part of a gigantic sexual fantasy involving dentists.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday February 05 2021, @03:10AM
Just got a full head Spiderman mask in yesterday and The Roomie's two teenagers had open house at their school this evening. Don't give a damn about catching coronaids but that was some epic fear engendering. Worth every penny just for the one evening.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:40AM
In case you had not noticed, there are a LOT of people who are not in their right mind these days.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:12AM (4 children)
Invulnerable? No. With better chances to avoid infection? Yes. More precisely, 70% better chances [pnas.org]
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @08:57AM (3 children)
Nope, cdc found 70% of cases always wore a mask vs 74% of non-cases: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm [cdc.gov]
Typical mask wearing does little to nothing to protect the wearer.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday February 03 2021, @10:30AM (1 child)
Bottom line: if everyone wears a mask 70% less infection in the community.
I'll let you dissect "why" and "how", but the "what" is undeniable.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:42PM
That isn't what your link showed.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:48PM
Anyway, let's see what else is in that paper. The first thing that is a concrete mask vs. non-mask comarison is this:
"""
Among 107 participants who reported dining at a restaurant and 21 participants who reported going to a bar/coffee shop, case-patients were less likely to report observing almost all patrons at the restaurant adhering to recommendations such as wearing a mask or social distancing (p = 0.03 and p = 0.01, respectively).
"""
TL;DR: more masks, less spread.
It then mentions this:
"""
To help slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2, precautions should be implemented to stay home once exposed to someone with COVID-19,** in addition to adhering to recommendations to wash hands often, wear masks, and social distance.
"""
TL;DR: masks recommended
So thanks for supporting the pro-mask line with that link. Perhaps read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest too, instead of just obliviously copy-pasting?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Thursday February 04 2021, @02:00AM
How DARE you suggest nobody should wear masks! Oh, wait, that is not what you are saying but we are all being assholes.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:18AM (1 child)
At least they are getting vaccinated!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @09:20PM
haha someone moderated that comment as overrated when it was at zero? pretty sure that is how 0 insightful must have happened. some anti-maskers covid hoaxers triggered or something
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:34AM
The most important thing to a drug addict is the next hit of happy juice.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by chewbacon on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:40AM (7 children)
In Florida, there were a lot of health care providers (HCPs) questioning getting the vaccine as the release neared. There was a lot of misinformed fear about the mRNA vaccines from this group. It really brought the heroic HCPs back down a peg or two on the hero scale. So HCPs were saying "no" and providers were throwing them away when vulnerable individuals were being denied the vaccine. This could've been mitigated by providers offering the unused prepared vaccines to anyone who wanted them. The problem was, they didn't think they were allowed to. Many providers apparently read Governor Desantis's order as "how to say no" instead of "how to say yes." The order said providers could vaccinate anyone they felt had an increase risk from the disease. That could be interpreted as fat people and this is AMERICA (!) where it isn't hard at all to be a BMI over 25. Vaccine providers should've offered standby lines so if they had a bad turnout for that batch, they could've passed them out to whoever showed up first. It should have never been intended to be so strict to begin with. Would that mean non-HCPs could get vaccinated it over HCPs? Likely, but it may have motivated more HCPs to prioritize showing up and get their shot in the first place. Regardless who would be getting the shot, more people could get vaccinated and the more effective this vaccine will be for the public in general.
So I applaud people doing it like this. It doesn't sound like they defrauded anyone (which is also happening), but they were honest about it and the result of it is aligned with the spirit of what we're trying to achieve: vaccinate everyone who wants it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:15AM
Meanwhile we'll write off the missing 20 million squirreled into private clinics in exclusive neighborhoods (probably).
(Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:25AM (2 children)
What, 40 percent of California firefighters and healthcare workers didn't want that shit either. I've seen zero chubby firefighters and slightly less zero chubby nurses.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:10PM (1 child)
You can't exactly have less than 0 of physical items / people. There's definitely chubby nurses, because desk jobs / paper work / stress. Firefighters may have fewer (possibly even much fewer) chubby personnel than nurses overall, but that would be due to environment / training.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by chewbacon on Wednesday February 03 2021, @08:34PM
Thing about BMI is, it is incredibly easy to be overweight on that scale while you're actually quite healthy. Lift some weights, gain some muscle mass and, despite burning fat, you may be overweight according to BMI. I wouldn't be surprised if a handful of fire fighters fall into that.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by krishnoid on Wednesday February 03 2021, @04:19AM (2 children)
So instead of having to send out a tweet or whatever and interrupt peoples' day to *maybe* get a vaccine (or add to the schedule), have people come to them? And get more people vaccinated sooner?
It's not like people are going back for seconds or anything, and everyone is eventually going to get vaccinated, so why not move us towards a larger immunized population earlier (even if by just a few days)? If these people are filling in the gaps where the existing logistics are falling short by a little, good for them for taking that initiative.
(Score: 3, Informative) by kazzie on Wednesday February 03 2021, @06:53AM (1 child)
My local health service is keeping a list of people who can come to vaccination centres at short notice, and put the call out if they have leftovers at the end of the day. That list is of people who are on the priority lists (maybe a level or two down) and have flexible travel options.
The upsides: not a single dose has gone to waste at my local vaccination centre, but they're not prone to scalpers or queue-jumpers. They're just steadily ploughing through the priority list...
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:13AM
I've been getting vaccine since April. I got the tb version, the flu version, the mmr, the mrna one, and the pfizer one. I am trying to get the J&J vaccine but it has been difficult.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @02:53AM (5 children)
Cost to throw away a vaccine: probably $10
Cost to give it to a target of opportunity: 0
Cost of that target of opportunity having to go into intensive care because they didn't get the shot and became infected: $10k a day.
No brainer really.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @07:26AM (4 children)
The cost was paid when the vaccine was made, not when it's thrown away.
The big issue here is the government handed billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies to produce vaccines in quantities far in excess of what the public is showing interest for. The waste of money is from there. Produce vaccines in direct proportion to demand and you end up with perfect distribution efficiency.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:33PM
Thanks AC, should've asked you first. My bad.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:41PM (2 children)
"The cost was paid when the vaccine was made, not when it's thrown away."
That is not even close to being correct. I could enlighten you, but people get paid for that, and who am I to take away their rice bowl?
(Score: 2) by kazzie on Thursday February 04 2021, @05:58AM (1 child)
They only get paid $10 when the rice bowl is thrown away.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04 2021, @11:11PM
So same price as your mom then?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 03 2021, @03:57AM (1 child)
If they get the vaccine now and the vaccine was going to get thrown away regardless that might prevent them from getting the vaccine later which could deny someone else from getting it later.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by MostCynical on Wednesday February 03 2021, @09:25AM
would like to mod as "-1 Huh?"
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Wednesday February 03 2021, @05:16AM (2 children)
They sell standby tickets. Buy one and you get a seat if someone else doesn't show up.
For vaccination, they could offer a wait list to people in priority groups, maybe the next priority group down.
(Score: 3, Informative) by kazzie on Wednesday February 03 2021, @06:54AM
That's just what's happening in my neck of the woods.
(Score: 4, Funny) by theluggage on Wednesday February 03 2021, @12:04PM
Don’t make them look to the airline industry for inspiration - or next thing, they will be overbooking like crazy so even if you do have an appointment you might get turned away... First they’ll expect you to turn up 2 hours early to check in, then they’ll let you check in 48 hours in advance online so they can cut the check-in staff and cause chaos when they don’t actually discover the no-shows until the last minute... :-)