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posted by requerdanos on Monday June 12 2023, @08:50PM   Printer-friendly
from the rug-burn dept.

Phys.org has a short summary of research into patterns of fiber transfer across clothing during different types of assaults. The club members wore specially dyed uniforms and then enacted various styles of assault and defense to allow researchers to observe how clothing fibers transferred as a result.

Researchers from Northumbria University and King's College London have published findings outlining the extent that textile fibers transfer during controlled assault scenarios.

Their work, recently published in the academic journal Science & Justice, is the first time the number of fibers transferred between garments during physical assaults has been assessed by simulating the act with real people through Northumbria University's Jiu Jitsu club.

[...] "The importance of this research is that many experimental studies in forensic science are often a far cry from real-life situations, and we wanted to address that in this study," [lead study author Dr. Kelly] Sheridan said. "We wanted to investigate the extent of fiber transfer during different types of physical assaults using real people for the first time and Dr. David Chalton, who leads the Jiu Jitsu club, made it possible."

Apparently thousands of fibers were cross-transferred between the participants' garments each time, varying per attack/defense scenario.

Journal Reference:
Sheridan, Kelly J., Ray Palmer, et. al, A quantitative assessment of the extent and distribution of textile fibre transfer to persons involved in physical assault, Science & Justice (DOI: 10.1016/j.scijus.2023.05.001)


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 12 2023, @09:28PM (7 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2023, @09:28PM (#1311166) Journal

    If the cop's case rests on the fibers from a shirt or jeans left behind, they don't really have a case. So, they've narrowed those fibers down as coming from a Hane's T-shirt, and they've established that the T-shirt was almost certainly sold at Wal-Mart. There are three such shirts in my home, one is mine, one belongs to each of two sons.* One T-shirt out of tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, sold by Wal-Mart. Sorry guys, you'll need something a little more convincing, since I was in Mexico when your guy was killed in Toledo, Ohio. Show me the DNA, please.

    *Not really, I haven't worn Hanes in decades.

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    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Gaaark on Monday June 12 2023, @10:12PM (6 children)

      by Gaaark (41) on Monday June 12 2023, @10:12PM (#1311173) Journal

      Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.

      Education is the number one killer of grammar. ;)

      All the children the abortion bans are making; will the Republican party guarantee they will be cared for and raised in a proper environment? That'll take a tonny ton of money money.

      And will they enact gun controls? Guns kill children as well. I mean, if they REALLY care, they will do all they can, won't they... no children left behind with gun-shot wounds.

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      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Mojibake Tengu on Monday June 12 2023, @10:32PM (3 children)

        by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Monday June 12 2023, @10:32PM (#1311179) Journal

        Every human is someone's child. If abortions of children are legal, murders should be legal too, for every murder of an adult is technically just a deferred abortion.

        In this context, gun control is completely irrelevant and needless.

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        • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Gaaark on Monday June 12 2023, @10:42PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Monday June 12 2023, @10:42PM (#1311183) Journal

          And yet, someone forcing something onto another should be willing to be responsible for their actions: Republicans forcing someone to birth an unwanted child (and yes, some people seem to be not educated enough/not smart enough to use bloody birth control) means the Republicans are responsible for the raising of that child in a good, warm, loving, responsible environment, without care for how much it costs.

          Even if that child grows up to be gay, lesbian, trans, drag, etc etc etc. Every child born of Republican force.

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        • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Monday June 12 2023, @11:29PM

          by krishnoid (1156) on Monday June 12 2023, @11:29PM (#1311190)

          So if a cop performs an abortion ... they'll have qualified immunity! Found the loophole!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 13 2023, @04:33PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 13 2023, @04:33PM (#1311284)

          A fetus is not a human being any more than an egg is a chicken.

          Just to be clear, you want women desperate, sick, and dying. You're one of those fuckers who grant more rights to a corpse than a live woman.

      • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Tuesday June 13 2023, @12:53AM (1 child)

        by RamiK (1813) on Tuesday June 13 2023, @12:53AM (#1311197)

        will the Republican party guarantee they will be cared for and raised in a proper environment?

        A better way to put it is that if a mother's right to her own body is second to a fetus right to live, then the people's right to their properties is second to the people's right to live so the goverment should be providing food, housing, protection and medical care to everyone until the day the die from old age.

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Tuesday June 13 2023, @01:00AM

          by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday June 13 2023, @01:00AM (#1311198) Journal

          If the government is forcing this, then yes.

          It's weird: the Republicans are all "I got muh rights" and "Don't tread on me", and yet they're trampling on peoples rights. Strange people.

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  • (Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday June 12 2023, @10:29PM (3 children)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Monday June 12 2023, @10:29PM (#1311176)

    No evidence!

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2023, @10:41PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2023, @10:41PM (#1311182)

      Lack of imagination?
      Can't you think of better things to do with nudists than assault them?

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Tuesday June 13 2023, @07:21AM

        by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Tuesday June 13 2023, @07:21AM (#1311236)

        Have you ever been to a nudist camp?

        There's a reason why nobody walks around with a hard-on in those places: there's nothing more unappetizing and less exciting than a bunch of totally ordinary middle-aged people's totally average and unremarkable genitalia everywhere you look.

    • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Tuesday June 13 2023, @06:53AM

      by inertnet (4071) on Tuesday June 13 2023, @06:53AM (#1311233) Journal

      And a lot easier than knights in shining armor.

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