-- OriginalOwner_ writes:
Previously: Militia Occupies Federal Building in Oregon After Rancher Arson Convictions
Russia Today reports:
Ammon Bundy, the leader of the armed group occupying a federal wildlife refuge near Burns, Oregon, and four others have been arrested by law enforcement amid gunfire, according to the FBI.At 4:25 pm on [January 26], the FBI and Oregon State Police "began an enforcement action to bring into custody a number of individuals associated with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. During that arrest, there were shots fired", the Bureau said in a statement.The FBI said one person who was "a subject of a federal probable cause arrest is deceased". He said they are not releasing any information on the person "pending identification by the medical examiner's office".One person suffered non-life threatening injuries and was taken to a local hospital for treatment. He was arrested and is in custody.The arrested individuals include:- Ammon Edward Bundy, age 40, of Emmett, Idaho.- Ryan C. Bundy, age 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada.- Brian Cavalier, age 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada.- Shawna Cox, age 59, of Kanab, Utah.- Ryan Waylen Payne, age 32, of Anaconda, Montana.
Ammon Bundy, the leader of the armed group occupying a federal wildlife refuge near Burns, Oregon, and four others have been arrested by law enforcement amid gunfire, according to the FBI.
At 4:25 pm on [January 26], the FBI and Oregon State Police "began an enforcement action to bring into custody a number of individuals associated with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. During that arrest, there were shots fired", the Bureau said in a statement.
The FBI said one person who was "a subject of a federal probable cause arrest is deceased". He said they are not releasing any information on the person "pending identification by the medical examiner's office".
One person suffered non-life threatening injuries and was taken to a local hospital for treatment. He was arrested and is in custody.
The arrested individuals include:- Ammon Edward Bundy, age 40, of Emmett, Idaho.- Ryan C. Bundy, age 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada.- Brian Cavalier, age 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada.- Shawna Cox, age 59, of Kanab, Utah.- Ryan Waylen Payne, age 32, of Anaconda, Montana.
CNN, NYT, Washington Post, BBC, OregonLive.
Cool story bro, but none of that has been in the mission statement. Like, ever. They've said, almost from day one, that the intent isn't just tech and science, but also public interest.
Go enjoy your GNAA trolls, ads, and corporate sponsored videos.
"Public interest" is like Slashdot's "stuff that matters", which is a weaselly catch-all to justify retort's like yours. Are you willing to argue that we could regularly post stuff about what the Kardashians are up to, or sports analysis here? I'd wager that you'd say no, but these very easily fit into "public interest" because the public is very interested in this (and in fact, it wouldn't be welcome here because it is interesting to the general public, which means "Joe Sixpack", who we hold to be in great contempt). Here, "public interest" is what YOU think is worthy. You can't define it, but you know it when you see it.
And I think that goes to the heart of what he's saying.
Maybe I'm the odd man out, but I came here to get away from the spam, advertising and corporate influence, not questionably off-topic stories.
While I get what you're saying, in this case, I think it's a stretch to conflate news reports on armed insurrection in a developed country with sports or celebrity news.
This story aside, my point is that there is usually a retort or two, when push gets shove and someone questions why a certain story is posted to the site (here or at Slashdot), that goes "See, it says 'Stuff that Matters' right at the top of the page, and this is Stuff that Matters" or "This isn't a tech site." But those aren't answers, or if they are, they are slimy weaselly answers because tell me then, what kind of site is it? What's "important"? Not popular culture, unless it is Star Wars or Trek. A lot of the non-science and tech stories are pretty much the same anyway in their content. It all goes back to "I know it when I see it," which is not a very satisfying answer if you are out of phase with the echo chamber.
Yeah, that is the answer to this kind of comment. I really, really ought to write a macro to automatically point that out everytime, and every time I mean to, and then life moves on until the next occasion.
I guess you don't realize that isn't an answer to these kind of questions. Ok, it IS an answer, but it is an entirely disingenuous, dismissive, and all-around shitty answer that only serves to show that you really DON'T have a good answer to that question. It's the "because I said so" answer.
Sigh. Here we go again. Were you ever a Slashdot reader? Do you have any history on that site, or here, or are you too young or too recently arrived for that? I participated in Slashdot from the very beginning, which is where the "Stuff that Matters" topic we're talking about began. I swear this same gripe you are airing here cropped up at least once a week, every week, there, from that first moment. And the answer is always the same. There are things that happen that have nothing to do with tech or science, but about which geeks care and want to discuss anyway. Some of those things are world events, some are closer to home.
Here's a short list: Columbine, 9/11, and Rob Malda proposing to his girlfriend. Columbine had absolutely nothing to do with tech or science, but it was most definitely "Stuff that Matters." So many geeks are/have been bullied that it elicited a great deal of heartfelt discussion and was a very important moment in that community. 9/11 ought to be self-explanatory, but apparently not since folks like you keep throwing this same objection at absolutely everything that's not related to network protocols or somesuch. So 9/11 was big, tragic, and world-changing. Geeks, too, are interested in that sort of thing, being part of said world. Rob Malda (aka CmdrTaco, and if you don't know who that is go and Google it you whippersnapper) proposing to his girlfriend also had nothing to do with tech, but it was awesome and we were all glad he shared that moment with us. It was community-building.
In each of those cases, and many others, I appreciate the chance to discuss these matters with intelligent people who are not empty talking heads, like you get on any news channel or from any government source. Slashdot members were, and Soylent members are, often people who are part of the events as they are happening, or engineers or technicians who were directly involved with the stuff in question, and I have gotten so much valuable behind-the-scenes perspective that have left me feeling very well informed, indeed, for a large chunk of my adult life.
Got that? That's the answer. Stamp it on your hand so you can remember it next time. Now off with you and compose 5 submissions to the story queue that focus exclusively on math, computers, science, and tech as penance for your impertinence.
Yes, indeed I am a long long time Slashdot expat. What I hate is that what is considered "Stuff that Matters" is entirely arbitrary and cliquish. Man up and call it out for what it is and stop trying to make it sound like it is "general interest" because it isn't. And no, I didn't give a flying fuck about a public proposal and I found a number of other stories to simply be out of place there. Just because you got a warm and fuzzy, don't assume that everyone else did. For instance, a number of years ago there was a Nelson Mandela passing story at Slashdot. It was being covered by 99 percent of every outlet everywhere on the Net and over the air, with tons of retrospectives, reflections, and historical significance analyses. Yes he was a great man, but what's the geek angle there? The only retort there was "hey, this is Stuff that Matters."
People like me ask this stuff because it is arbitrary and entirely up to the editors to decide what their favorite issues are. There's a fine line between that and the Wiki squatters. The arrogance in your answer in that you know what is appropriate and what isn't doesn't sit well with everyone, and you don't do yourself any favors by flippantly dismissing them away on account of your sheer brilliance. I am also an expat from kuro5hin from many many years ago and I saw the shithole that descended into when you lose your way. As a self-appointed keeper of the shrine, you should keep that in mind.
According to our last batch of stats, we reject only about 1/6 of submissions. Out of those, some portion are dupes or spambots.
You do the math. It's not just the editors that decide what gets on the site, it's the submitters. In fact, it's mainly the submitters.