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posted by takyon on Wednesday January 27 2016, @11:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the i-fought-the-law-and... dept.

Previously: Militia Occupies Federal Building in Oregon After Rancher Arson Convictions

Russia Today reports:

Ammon Bundy, the leader of the armed group occupying a federal wildlife refuge near Burns, Oregon, and four others have been arrested by law enforcement amid gunfire, according to the FBI.

At 4:25 pm on [January 26], the FBI and Oregon State Police "began an enforcement action to bring into custody a number of individuals associated with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. During that arrest, there were shots fired", the Bureau said in a statement.

The FBI said one person who was "a subject of a federal probable cause arrest is deceased". He said they are not releasing any information on the person "pending identification by the medical examiner's office".

One person suffered non-life threatening injuries and was taken to a local hospital for treatment. He was arrested and is in custody.

The arrested individuals include:
- Ammon Edward Bundy, age 40, of Emmett, Idaho.
- Ryan C. Bundy, age 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada.
- Brian Cavalier, age 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada.
- Shawna Cox, age 59, of Kanab, Utah.
- Ryan Waylen Payne, age 32, of Anaconda, Montana.

CNN, NYT, Washington Post, BBC, OregonLive.


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by ikanreed on Wednesday January 27 2016, @03:04PM

    by ikanreed (3164) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @03:04PM (#295321) Journal

    It's entirely possible that that's true. Guns complicate any tense situation, and you don't have to pull a trigger or even point one for someone to be scared for their life. An FBI agent or cop could have shot this poor guy for totally spurious or questionable reasons. That's straight-up possible.

    But I'll say this. Someone at the FBI absolutely told these agents and cops something very much like "You are walking into a media shitstorm, if you discharge your weapon, you'd better have a damn good reason."

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Tork on Wednesday January 27 2016, @06:04PM

    by Tork (3914) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @06:04PM (#295440)

    Guns complicate any tense situation, and you don't have to pull a trigger or even point one for someone to be scared for their life.

    There's an old cliche: "An armed society is a polite society." It should be changed to: "An armed society is a fearful society."

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @07:19PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @07:19PM (#295477)

      Gun nuts always like to say that guns help protect people from the bad guys.

      The problem is very very many normal people often are bad guys at least once in their lives. So stuff is more likely to be worse if they happen to have a gun at that time.

      If you don't believe me just go look at the drivers on the road. Now imagine all those people doing stupid stuff do stupid stuff with guns.

      Another example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/26/man-who-feared-mass-shootings-brings-gun-to-movie-theater-accidentally-shoots-woman/ [washingtonpost.com]
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12121056/Dane-Gallion-Man-who-feared-mass-shooting-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-cinema.html [telegraph.co.uk]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 28 2016, @09:29AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 28 2016, @09:29AM (#295854)

        Gun nuts always like to say that guns help protect people from the bad guys.

        The problem is very very many normal people often are bad guys at least once in their lives.

        This applies equally to your police as it does to the average joe on the street. I don't think anybody should have guns but as long as police are driving around in tanks and carrying fully automatic weapons (for use against their own citizenry!) I think every last citizen should carry a gun.

        You guys have just gotten so used to being your government's bitches, you think it is normal. America, home of the brave, you guys killed them all off and placed them in reservations to make room for the fed.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by J053 on Wednesday January 27 2016, @07:25PM

      by J053 (3532) <reversethis-{xc. ... s} {ta} {enikad}> on Wednesday January 27 2016, @07:25PM (#295484) Homepage

      There's an old cliche: "An armed society is a polite society."

      That's a quote from a fictional character in Heinlein's If This Goes On, and even Heinlein wasn't saying that the society depicted therein was a good one. I wish people would quit saying this.

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 28 2016, @01:25AM

        by HiThere (866) on Thursday January 28 2016, @01:25AM (#295697) Journal

        FWIW, I believe that Heinlein first used that line in "Beyond This Horizon", and he *was* saying that that society was a good society.

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        • (Score: 2) by naubol on Thursday January 28 2016, @04:15AM

          by naubol (1918) on Thursday January 28 2016, @04:15AM (#295765)

          If I recall correctly, the story was commissioned for Campbell, who was enamored of an armed society. This post corroborates that line of thinking... http://torforgeblog.com/2010/07/12/whats-your-favorite-heinlein-novel-david-brin/ [torforgeblog.com]

          Whether or not he believed the idea at the time of writing, in the novel Beyond This Horizon someone almost gets shot over what is a very minor faux pas. Heinlein changed his views on politics many times in his life and also wrote politically conflicting works. I have often believed that he experimented with ideas and his 'voice' did not always represent convicted views.

          Quoting Heinlein is a political rorschach.

        • (Score: 2) by J053 on Thursday January 28 2016, @06:16PM

          by J053 (3532) <reversethis-{xc. ... s} {ta} {enikad}> on Thursday January 28 2016, @06:16PM (#296037) Homepage
          You're right - it was Beyond This Horizon - I should have known that, as I re-read it not that long ago. I still didn't get the impression Heinlein was advocating for that kind of a society rather than just using it as a background for the main story.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @07:15PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @07:15PM (#295468)
    If only cops were so careful with black lives. Tasing black guy who had a stroke, shooting some guy who had a knife (but was just mostly trying to walk away). Driving up next to a kid with a toy gun and shooting him within seconds. etc etc.