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posted by takyon on Sunday June 12 2016, @06:00PM   Printer-friendly

A suspected Islamic terrorist opened fire at a gay nightclub in Florida, killing 50 people and wounding another 53 before he was killed by police. While authorities continue to investigate to determine whether this man had ties to ISIS, the terror organization has not been quiet in praising the attack. This comes three days after ISIS announced they would attack somewhere in Florida. Today's attack marks the largest act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11.

takyon: The gunman reportedly called 911 emergency services to pledge allegiance to ISIS. The President will hold a briefing momentarily. Compare this article to the original submission.


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by LoRdTAW on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:07PM

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:07PM (#358776) Journal

    This is going to be a tough one for the christian right. Do they condemn the murders of 50 people by a supposed Islamic extremist or praise him for doing gods work and killing the gays? Oh, they're just worried that Obama is coming for their guns.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:30PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:30PM (#358792)

    ...and Obama is a Muslim foreigner [cnn.com] so we know what he'll do with those guns...

  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by jmorris on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:49PM

    by jmorris (4844) on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:49PM (#358806)

    Phulease. And people say I troll?

    No Christian is supposed to hate gays. It is of course permitted to hate the sin. Outside of mental defectives like the Westboro idiots, you won't find what you are obviously looking for.

    As for me, I'll just leave better words than my own here:

    From The Sound up in Long Island
    Out to San Francisco Bay
    And everything that's in between them is our own
    And we may have done a little bit
    Of fightin' amongst ourselves
    But you outside people best leave us alone
    'Cause we'll all stick together
    And you can take that to the bank
    That's the cowboys and the hippies
    And the rebels and the yanks
    You just go and lay your hand
    On a Pittsburgh Steelers' fan
    And I think you're gonna finally understand

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 12 2016, @09:50PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 12 2016, @09:50PM (#358892)

      Outside of mental defectives like the Westboro idiots

      They actually follow the bible more closely than other Christians. But really, everyone picks and chooses.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 13 2016, @02:16AM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 13 2016, @02:16AM (#359068) Journal

      Yeah you're not supposed to hate them, but feel free to soak your panties all you want imagining them and everyone else you don't approve of writhing and screaming and broiling in eternal fire.

      I dunno, to me that sounds like hate, even if at one remove. Trying to fob that off on your God (I refuse to believe you are, as you state, an agnostic; that sounds like Christian taqiya to me) is a little like a guy who hires a hitman saying he's not actually a murderer on account of not being the one to squeeze the trigger.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Monday June 13 2016, @03:38AM

        by jmorris (4844) on Monday June 13 2016, @03:38AM (#359111)

        You just don't want to see the difference because you don't want to accept the notion that homosexuality could be abnormal or that anyone could even be permitted to think that it is.

        But remember that I usually push a concept I call the "Right to be Wrong." They have every right to be 'wrong' so long as they don't try to tell me I can't say I think they are wrong. Because if I deny them the "right to be wrong" I'd not only be declaring myself the power to officially say they are wrong, but far worse, I'd be granting that that power should exist. Because once we all accept such a power exists, everybody ends up being declared "wrong" about something eventually and then nobody is free anymore. Nobody. So while I don't want to claim the ultimate deciding power, I'm equally determined to keep it out of the hands of the PC Police.

        Once that happens it is just a question of WHO ends up in change of declaring who is wrong. Which brings us to today's story where Islam really, really believes they can not only tell everyone they please that they are wrong but kill anyone who is wrong and refuses to change their ways after being ordered to change. Objecting to them killing people is also deemed wrong and worthy of them killing you over. The advocates of Political Correctness might not, yet, be killing its opponents but they certainly aspire to that power. Which is why they must be restrained. However ISIS is killing people NOW so if the PC Police can turn their guns on ISIS I'm more than willing to ally with them against a more immediate threat. But they probably can't because PC says Islam is 'oppressed' so they have to support them right up to the point where they are themselves being killed.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 13 2016, @06:51AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 13 2016, @06:51AM (#359204) Journal

          When did I ever say homosexuality was normal? I am fully aware that as a lesbian I am a generic aberration and will not be passing my genes on...and I give slightly fewer fucks about that, or what you think of me, than Deadpool on a massive angel-dust bender. Abnormal does not, in and of itself, mean wrong, and you can take your "right to not think like JMorris^W^W^W^W be wrong" and shove it so far up your narcissistic, self-centered ass you choke on it. I hope you end up with a gay son.

          The rest of your post is panicked, lemmingized, persecution-complexed nonsense. The rest of your brain has been beaten into submission by your massively over-developed amygdala and left you with ZERO ability to assess and prioritize threats. If you think the annoying Tumblrinas are anything like as dangerous or violent as Daesh, you've got your wires crossed. If you're this scared of the entire world, just go hide in a bunker somewhere until this all blows over and/or you die of fright. No, your tough-guy talk doesn't fool me in the least; your adrenals are screaming for mercy and you're scared of your own shadow.

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:44PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:44PM (#359395)

            Dude, take a chill pill.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 13 2016, @05:44PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 13 2016, @05:44PM (#359474) Journal

              No. The only thing required for evil to win is for good (wo)men to stand by and do nothing. In every era there arise people like this man, hollow, soulless sociopaths who drift through life vampirizing whatever they come across...and in every era there arise people like me whose cause is to point this out and, when possible, fight it.

              --
              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday June 13 2016, @06:07PM

            by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday June 13 2016, @06:07PM (#359488)

            I am fully aware that as a lesbian I am a generic aberration and will not be passing my genes on

            Oh please, I'm really disappointed in you, and I'm not even homosexual myself. First off, there's tons of evidence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom; it's not unique to humans. Secondly, there's nothing preventing you from passing your genes on, you just have to find a willing male, or get artificial insemination as so many women these days do when they hit 40 and can't find a husband. Even more, homosexuals have been having kids for eons, and even in recent history, and those kids usually come out straight, not homo. The bottom line: homosexuality is perfectly normal for humans. It probably serves as a bit of a population-control mechanism (since they are somewhat less likely to have kids, or as many).

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 13 2016, @08:45PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 13 2016, @08:45PM (#359601) Journal

              My girlfriend/soon-to-be-wife doesn't want kids, though she says she's open to the idea of adoption at some point if she changes her mind and we have the money. I kind of wish she could get me pregnant actually, but it doesn't seem to be in the cards. There are already far too many orphan and abandoned children for me to contemplate making another one, though.

              And, don't worry, I don't mind being a "genetic aberration." Realistically speaking, no, homosexuality is not "normal." If it were it would be around 50% of the population, not 1-3%. Normal and abnormal are more statistical statements than moral ones, which is where people like JMorris fuck up in this discussion. Personally I find him more funny than threatening; he's so completely transparent as to his motivations and fears, and he thinks he can hide from us! The guy's a textbook case.

              --
              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday June 14 2016, @04:22PM

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Tuesday June 14 2016, @04:22PM (#359975)

                Realistically speaking, no, homosexuality is not "normal." If it were it would be around 50% of the population, not 1-3%. Normal and abnormal are more statistical statements than moral ones,

                I disagree. It's normal for a population to have small number of individuals with different traits. "Abnormal" connotes that there's something wrong with being different. People over 6' tall are a small portion of the population too, but there's nothing wrong with being 6' tall, it's just not the majority. Having green eyes is also a small portion of the population (less than 10%, probably less than 5%), but again there's nothing wrong with it, so calling it an "aberration" is a disservice to those who have that trait. There's no shortage of traits that only a single-digit percentage of the population has, and most of them aren't a negative. Finally, from what I can tell, homosexuality is much more than just 1-3% of the population, if you include bisexuality or anyone who isn't a Kinsey 0, and actually is honest with themselves about it.

                As for orphan/abandoned children, you obviously haven't looked into what the adoption process in this country is like (assuming you're in the USA). It's pretty horrific, which is why many couples end up going to China, India, Romania, etc. to adopt children. It's also an extremely costly process, no matter where you get the child from. It's probably a lot easier with older kids in the foster system, but then you're going to deal with a kid with a lot of emotional problems. There's certainly nothing wrong with volunteering to help those kids, but it's obviously a serious challenge and not every prospective parent is up to that or capable of it. Kudos for wanting to help an existing child, but there's very good reasons why not everyone wants to take that road.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by quintessence on Sunday June 12 2016, @08:10PM

    by quintessence (6227) on Sunday June 12 2016, @08:10PM (#358810)

    Actually, I think it is perfectly appropriate to put those aspects of Christianity on point: where do you stand?

    Let's not forget the KKK is a Christian organization (and at its height, the largest fraternal organization in the US) that used the Bible as a justification for slavery and condemning blacks, but that interpretation of Christianity has been beaten to the dirt, and is so far removed from mainstream Christianity that most Christians would be deeply offended by the implication.

    And so it is with homosexuals, with at least aspects of Christianity adopting a more tolerant "hate the sin, but not the sinner" stance; the parallels to the KKK's take on race relations and a vocal part of Christianity on homosexuals is unmistakable: where do you stand?

    Having Christians answer to the virulent rhetoric is a good thing, and at least they can discuss among themselves where the "God Hates Fags" path leads.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday June 12 2016, @09:08PM

      It leads to broken bones and severe lacerations if those Westboro wack-a-doodles ever show up at a funeral I'm attending.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 2) by SecurityGuy on Monday June 13 2016, @12:53AM

      by SecurityGuy (1453) on Monday June 13 2016, @12:53AM (#359003)

      I'll take this one. I was raised Roman Catholic, though I've been nonpracticing and am growing more and more comfortable with atheism.

      There's no part of this that any part of the church I used to belong to would endorse. Killing people because they don't follow the rules of the RC church would be murder, and a first-class, do-not-pass Go ticket to hell. They do have this weird (to me) deal where you can be forgiven pretty much anything as long as you confess it (and really mean it, and really stop doing it), but seeing as this guy was killed in the act, my old church would say he's irrevocably in hell forever.

      Where do I stand? I don't think other people's sexuality is any of my concern unless they're a potential partner. I think many of the world's problems could be solved if we just left each other alone.

      • (Score: 2) by quintessence on Monday June 13 2016, @02:14AM

        by quintessence (6227) on Monday June 13 2016, @02:14AM (#359066)

        Killing people because they don't follow the rules of the RC church would be murder

        Apparently you haven't heard of the Inquisition or the Crusades.

        Point being institutional change doesn't happen in a vacuum, and even for the long storied history of the Catholic Church, there are reformers, there are doubts as to how the Church should progress, and, most importantly, the Church can admit mistakes were made and change course.

        God may not be infallible, but perhaps our understanding is.

        I'll even give the Church credit: with the long history it has, the present Pope is about the best you could ask for in maintaining tradition with an eye towards social change.

        • (Score: 2) by SecurityGuy on Monday June 13 2016, @03:44AM

          by SecurityGuy (1453) on Monday June 13 2016, @03:44AM (#359113)

          Apparently you haven't heard of the Inquisition or the Crusades.

          I have. I was a big medieval history buff as a kid. The church I was part of in the 1900s didn't have inquisitions or crusades. They were a lot more about bake sales and the occasional carnival or bingo night.

          If you want to extend the question to "Was the Inquisition wrong? Were the Crusades wrong?" Yes and yes.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @07:52AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @07:52AM (#359237)

            The church I was part of in the 1900s didn't have inquisitions or crusades.
            They were a lot more about bake sales and the occasional carnival or bingo night.

            Don't forget protecting pedo-priests. Also there is the matter of complicity in the rwandan genocide. [theguardian.com]
            Neither of which the church has fully come to grips with yet.

            Anecdotally, my friend was forced to marry her rapist at the age of 18 in the phillipines, and she wasn't even from a poor family - she attended the most prestigious university in the country. (15 years later she was granted an annulment by the very same priest after her husband had cracked her head open and left her for dead in the street).

            I don't say that to bag on catholicism, but rather to point out that individuals can experience the same religious institution in wildly different ways.

            • (Score: 2) by SecurityGuy on Monday June 13 2016, @01:59PM

              by SecurityGuy (1453) on Monday June 13 2016, @01:59PM (#359356)

              Don't forget protecting pedo-priests.

              I haven't. That's why I left. I had kids and the fact that people knew that was happening and didn't stop it was a deal breaker.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @02:12AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @02:12AM (#359063)

    And this is why nothing will ever change. Everyone pigeon-holes everyone else into this-or-that group, and projects motives, probably responses, probable thought process on the whole group. Surely people can still think for themselves - focus on the issue at hand and forget the pigeon-holing.