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posted by takyon on Sunday June 12 2016, @06:00PM   Printer-friendly

A suspected Islamic terrorist opened fire at a gay nightclub in Florida, killing 50 people and wounding another 53 before he was killed by police. While authorities continue to investigate to determine whether this man had ties to ISIS, the terror organization has not been quiet in praising the attack. This comes three days after ISIS announced they would attack somewhere in Florida. Today's attack marks the largest act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11.

takyon: The gunman reportedly called 911 emergency services to pledge allegiance to ISIS. The President will hold a briefing momentarily. Compare this article to the original submission.


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  • (Score: 2) by julian on Monday June 13 2016, @01:52AM

    by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @01:52AM (#359045)

    Or there could have been a shootout with even more dead in the crossfire and the chaos. In my experience the sort of people who advocate for this policy tend to overestimate their own capabilities with a firearm, and place an absurd amount of trust and faith in the capabilities of other people. It just feels good to believe you'd snap into tactical operator mode, draw, and double tap the bad guy before he could do much harm. That's a paranoid delusional hero fantasy. In reality, even trained military and police routinely make mistakes.

    You are not an asset to the public making everyone safer by carrying, you are a dangerous liability. I say this as a gun owner myself. I wouldn't carry in public even if it were legal to do so. I have no business attempting to use a firearm in that way, and I know my own limitations.

    It's much more likely I'd simply add to the carnage instead of stopping the shooter. Every jacked up moron who thinks differently is even more of a liability because they don't know how dangerous they really are.

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 13 2016, @02:01AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @02:01AM (#359052) Journal

    Citation necessary. Surely, you can find a story of just such an even, possibly in some lawless state such as Texas.

    Try this link - https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=13890 [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 2) by julian on Monday June 13 2016, @02:09AM

      by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @02:09AM (#359061)

      Here's just one [khou.com]. Oh look, it's even from Texas.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 13 2016, @02:26AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @02:26AM (#359074) Journal

        That scenario isn't what you implied. You implied that two, six, a dozen, even scores of people might be sucked into a gun battle, if guns were allowed in "gun free zones". In this instance, we have two criminals, one victim, and one passerby who appears to be a fucking idiot. He shot the victim he was trying to help?

        Someone needs to look a little harder at this incident. I'm not sure the shooter wasn't part of the car-jacking.

        • (Score: 2) by julian on Monday June 13 2016, @02:38AM

          by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @02:38AM (#359083)

          My point was that gun owners are usually far less competent than they believe themselves to be, and that they will do more harm than good by using their gun to stop a crime in progress.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 13 2016, @04:30AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @04:30AM (#359152) Journal

            Well then, your opinion is noted. Your opinion is no more and no less valid than any other person's opinion. If you could cite statistics supporting your opinion, it might have more value. Or not, as the case may be. Hoplophobes cite all kinds of statistics to support their concept of gun control - yet Chicago sees more people killed every week than Texas sees in a year.

            I still hold out Texas as a model state for "common sense gun control".

            Ya know what's odd? I went looking for a follow-up on your story. I find nothing. The story is carried by a myriad of news sources, but there is no follow-up. The victim isn't named, the shooter doesn't seem to be apprehended or named, the carjackers aren't named. The perps and the shooter just disappear, and leave the victim to be hauled off to the hospital.

            As you might imagine, I'm having problems with the credibility of this story . . .

            Note, that I am not questioning your credibility, it's the story I'm having problems with. I just gullibly believed the headline when I read it. Apparently, you did too. Ehh . . . .

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Monday June 13 2016, @12:40PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday June 13 2016, @12:40PM (#359334) Journal

            Also, how would a person in the club know which guy with guns is part of the attack, and which isn't? They weren't wearing uniforms. So if you have multiple people in the club carrying guns and the shooter comes in, how do you know which one of the subsequent people pulling guns (assuming you can calmly observe the situation) isn't in cahoots with him? All you can see is that they're firing a weapon, too.

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            Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @04:35AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @04:35AM (#360384)

              The lighter skinned folk will shoot the darker skin folk and vice versa :).

              Seriously as the original AC commenter it's amazing how retarded the rest are that they still can't even realize my obvious point that when there are lot of strangers around, how would you know who are the bad guys when everyone whips out their guns and starts shooting at others?

              As I said:

              everyone would have whipped out their guns and shot all the _gunmen_ dead in self-defence. Oh wait there was only one gunman? Hard to tell in a nightclub...

              From what I see most people in the USA are too retarded and dangerous to be allowed to have guns. Especially most of the US police force.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:09AM (#359096)

        Remember, kids, always pick up your shells.