And the winner of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, as reported by the major mainstream media outlets is Donald Trump. It has also been reported that Hillary Clinton called President-elect Donald Trump to concede.
Electoral vote count (so far): 279 for Donald Trump, 218 for Hillary Clinton. 270 electoral votes are needed to win.
Popular vote: 57,227,164 votes (48.0%) for Donald Trump, 56,279,305 votes (47.2%) for Hillary Clinton. Update: Now it is closer to 59,085,795 votes (47.5%) for Donald Trump and 59,236,903 votes (47.6%) for Hillary Clinton.
Yell, scream, gnash teeth... but please keep it civil.
Results at CNN, NYT, FiveThirtyEight, Wikipedia.
takyon: Republicans have retained control of the House and Senate.
Here's some market news:
Dow futures plunge nearly 750 points as investors warily eye electoral map
Asian markets plummet on likelihood of Trump victory
Bitcoin price soars as Trump pulls ahead
Opinion: How to profit from a Donald Trump victory
Ballot measure results will be covered in an upcoming story. Some initial results can be found at Ballotpedia and CNN.
[TMB Note: Stop breaking stuff, cmn32480]
May God forgive Wasserman and Brazile and all others for tilting the primary towards HRC because I WON'T forgive them!
And don't tell me the third party candidates screwed HRC, no sir, she was a weak candidate who was forced upon us. Those who made the decision will now have ample time to regret it.
Sorry to post these comments again (I did in the previous story) but I'm PISSED OFF badly, the fucking DNC brought this on themselves and God forgive them, on all of us.
But it is a sign of their disconnect from everyday people that they thought HRC was going to waltz to the White House because they said so...
I'm having a beer (many!) and almost crying at such stupidity, not on the voters, but in the insensible party machine; the idiots from Hollywood and Wall Street and Washington DC and every place who thougt it was time to elect a woman.
You wanted a woman president? How about senator Warren?
I'M PISSED AT THE DNC AND I WON'T FORGIVE THEM! NOT EVEN AFTER I'M DEAD!
I agree with you that Hillary was a weak candidate chosen in advance by the Democratic Party leadership. TONS of baggage, no likability (grating, sneaky, obviously calculating--the obvious part is the worst part), and a candidate that was REJECTED by the people the LAST time she ran (and Obama won the nomination).
The only reason I can think of that she was picked is because she had entrenched herself so thoroughly in the Democratic party machine (through her husband, in great part). Her ego was just too boundless to take NO for an answer.
Agree. I'm still crying about the RNC's mistake in going with Hillary instead of Bernie. Oh how sweet it would've been to see President Bernie...
There was that moment when the songbird landed on Bernie's podium. I thought, wouldn't that be a positive sign? It was deep in the primaries and Hillary had already slimed her way to the lead, so a triumph for Bernie at that time would have been miraculous. Alas it was not to be.
No, jelizondo, not Warren. Had she run in the primary, I would have bled for her. I truly would have. She was the only one in Washington who was spanking the Wall Street bankers. But then she kissed up with Hillary, and I knew her beliefs were merely a flag of convenience. In a way, I'm grateful that events have exposed Warren for the worthless Establishment shill she is.
The immediate future is uncertain. Trump is a monkey wrench to the system. But if Hillary had won, we'd know exactly what we would have gotten: utter enslavement, the end of the Rule of Law.
Now we have a mostly certainty that Trump will continue the status quo, that he will perpetuate the spoils system that has always obtained. But he might get a few of the people who need to get got, and that's vastly more than we would have gotten from Hillary, the utterly corrupt, the consummately criminal.
I agree with you. Many pundits wrote about the disaster that awaited the Republican Party after the election, now we can clearly see that the DNC is going to have to seriously change its ways.
However, I disagree on your assessment of Warren. The Consumer Financial Protection Board [consumerfinance.gov] is still there and kicking ass. I believe that Warren, like Sanders, had to pledge support to the candidate of the party, it’s a loyalty to the party thing.
Me and mine fought hard against the DLC for 20 years in the DNC. In the end, in this election cycle, they sucked everyone in the party into their corroded embrace. That's why I left.
Do you really think that Warren and Sanders can recall the base to the banner, now that they threw in their lot with a criminal like Hillary? Or is a real third party in the offing?
I'm going to respond to this one.
My answer is yes, with conditions. I was following Sanders before he ever threw his hat in the ring. I connected with his ideals, his policy statements and even the style of delivery. He was a politician, but he knew how to wield a verbal bat when needed. During the primary I listened to his speech at Liberty College and was carried away with the ability he had to project his viewpoints in the bastion of conservative birthing without offending the audience. It was masterful and for me, I felt it would help him climb over the woman who did not have the guts to even try.
Warren came to my attention on of things, the Daily Show when she was talking about her new agency she was trying to birth. After that I also followed and found a consistent voice that would shake the marbled columns of Wall Street while saying to folks like me (middle class, middle age IT developer), I will protect you. When she tongue lashed the CEO of Wells Fargo, done after her pledged Fealty to Her Majesty, I had thoughts that what was spoken in the moment was not long term.
What do they need to do to help clean house in the DNC and move the Democratic Party closer to their ideals? To start, help remove any vestiges of Obama and the Clinton's from the leadership of the party. The DNC and party cannot change as long as those two political machines exist. Next, hold Trump to the fire, but don;'t burn him. I'm along your lines, kind of a "I still sense goodness in him Yoda" moment that makes me think Trump will be upsetting the GOP for the next four years. Hard to say, but if they try to pull him down instead of working with his character (let's make a deal) then they'll do more harm then good.
I would love to see them more bully pulpit on the true slime that runs through Wall Street, but also praise any small pocket of good they also find. It should not just be one call for the Head of a CEO, it needs to be a full press till the DoJ can explain how people at the top can commit a crime and not even get arrested.
Bernie endorsing Clinton hurt me a lot. I lost some faith, but I tried to consider that he felt strongly about having a Democrat at the top, but this time missed the uglier picture that she would have sold the people he cared about down the river. He could get it back if he makes his voice heard again. The same with Warren. If they remain "friends", if they speak in support for her if she ever gets arrested, if they just remain quiet then no, they lost me.
That should make it obvious is that the system doesn't 'hate' women, it actually doesn't really gives two shit about gender. It is all about power and it is all about money and anybody who doesn't think this is the exact kind of fool politicians need as a voter.
How about Jill Stein? Why is a woman who's pretty cool even in the eyes of a Trump voter, and isn't a reprehensible criminal, kicked into a 3rd party?
She would make a hell of a democrat nominee. And she's kicked into another party why exactly?
Something interesting to think about with Stein is whats her unacceptability percentage, is it even as high as 1%? I'm too lazy to look it up, but I know Trump and Hillary both scored about 50% unacceptable. I would prefer Trump over Stein but I would be ... tolerant of Stein. She's respectable. If it was neocuck Jeb vs Stein, honestly I donno I might have voted for Stein just because she's less F-ed up.
Is Stein an example of a real democrat who's not being allowed to participate as a democrat, or is she an unusual one time outlier like the God Emperor and Hillary?
When a perfectly good seed can't grow in your dirt but does OK elsewhere, you gotta look at whats wrong with your dirt, not complain about theres no good seeds or I got a bad seed last time or other farmers suck or whatever. The problem with the democrats isn't that a handful of them are doing it wrong, its the very soil of the party is corrupt and filthy and poisoned. The problem is the people who should be leading the "D" are instead kicked out and doing green party foolishness. You're not gonna fix this by axing two apparatchiks and making some speeches and trying it again with a different globalist crime family. The D party requires something like "burn it with fire" "call in an exorcism" "treat the whole thing as a superfund cleanup site" "nuke it from orbit just to be sure" level of cleanup required to fix it. Gonna have to go way beyond what you're asking, to actually fix the D party.
Which as a Trump supporter I don't think they're gonna do it so unlike you I'm happy with it.
It would be nice for the D party to try putting someone up who's not a POS. They should try it some time. Been awhile. Till then, the revitalized R party can go on winning.
That is a really good question, VLM. The realpolitik answer is that Hillary so dominated local politics that there was no chance for someone like Jill Stein to get a fair hearing.