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A gunman fired upon thousands of people attending a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night, in a brutal attack that is blamed for at least 58 deaths, police say. In the mass shooting and panic that ensued, 515 people were injured. At least one of the dead is an off-duty police officer who was attending the concert.
Editorializing: Interesting how media always emphasize ISLAMIC terrorists, but downplay domestic terrorism as psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs.
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Over 50 dead in mass shooting in Las Vegas
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(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday October 02 2017, @10:52PM (13 children)
> should there be evidence that this is a problem that needs to be addressed.
Fresh evidence, ready to be mopped up. Still bleeding in many cases.
It was such an obvious attack vector it's amazing it didn't happen earlier. I discussed that with friends a decade ago at a concert in Grant Park, surrounded by roads and tall buildings.
There will be copycats.
Crazy assholes will also sit in the forest at the end of a runway and blow up a plane at takeoff with their freedom weapons. It will happen. Hundreds will die. You read it here first.
But in the name of protecting their freedom by buying cool toys from the corporations who corrupt the system, many here will do a Jeb Bush and say "Stuff happens". And the rest of the world will keep scratching their heads in disbelief.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:02PM (7 children)
There are a ridiculous number of vectors for large scale attack. Locking down civilization in an attempt to stop the statistically small number of deaths that happen from lunatics is idiocy. Ban all sugar because we have a diabetes and obesity problem! Ban alcohol because it results in lots of societal problems! Ban freedom of speech because hateful fucks spread their ideological disease! Ban cars because they are easily used to kill people! Ban ALL THE THINGS! SAFETY AT ANY COST!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Monday October 02 2017, @11:46PM (6 children)
We are in clown world, you are trying to make a joke but you fail because Progs DO want to do those things. They are putting taxes on sugary drinks to "discourage" poor people from buying them. Then they tax diet drinks because "fairness" of course. They tried banning alcohol and we still deal with the side effects of that disaster. And what do you think "hate speech laws" are in practice? Stopping "hateful fucks" from spreading their ideological disease. We haven't had enough Jihad by Auto here in the U.S. yet but it is a certainty they will want to solve that problem by banning... or mandating the new Google Cars. Until they get hacked and murder thousands in a single day. In Clown World, almost any joke is indistinguishable from reality. The Onion vs Newsweek, which is more insane, which is funnier? Neither will have much in the way of factual news of the old Who, What, When, Where, Why and How variety.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @12:20AM (5 children)
A tax is way better than a ban. You discourage the behavior, diminish the spending power of the person enjoying their vice, and capture it in the form of government revenue.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:43AM (4 children)
A tax is the same as a ban. If you have to pay or ask permission, it's a privilege not a right.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @05:57PM
For someone who often quibbles over the exact meaning of words this is a pretty terrible comparison you just made.
(Score: 2) by etherscythe on Tuesday October 03 2017, @08:25PM (2 children)
Only if you're talking about Class III firearms, where you require a tax stamp which will not be granted if the item in question was manufactured after the date of enactment (1968 IIRC) and other requirements were not met. Otherwise, the availability is not limited as in a ban - only the price is affected. All sales are taxed in the USA (with only a handful of exceptions). This does not mean commerce is a privilege, although I understand the argument that commerce is a privilege to those who actually have money to spend, but that's really a separate issue.
"Fake News: anything reported outside of my own personally chosen echo chamber"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @09:19PM (1 child)
The price of a Maxim sound suppressor circa 1934 was $2.
The tax on said suppressor post-1934 is the same as it is for modern versions today: $200.
Nothing like taxing something at two orders of magnitude of its base price and calling it "not a ban".
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:10AM
It's up to Congress. Call your Senators and Congressmen. Tell them to pass the Sportsmen Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act. The SHARE Act. Very important to protect the hearing of our shooters. Some fine people are NEEDLESSLY losing their hearing, because of complicated & unnecessary regulations. @SteveScalise is a big, big supporter! 🇺🇸
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by khallow on Tuesday October 03 2017, @12:45AM (4 children)
So the frequency of these attacks is very low.
The real question is not "when", but "how often". We already see the answer is not very often.
So what? You're not willing to protect freedom. That makes you more of an accomplice than someone who at least is trying.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:10AM (3 children)
> So what? You're not willing to protect freedom.
Because I don't value polishing half a dozen AR-15s while waiting for a violent government takeover? You're smarter than that.
This country is shy when it comes to the massive street protests I grew up with, so I educate people when they don't see what's happening. The people standing between you and the government are just doing a job, and you're not winning a direct fight against them.
Turn off hero fantasyland, put the overpowered guns down, vote and teach. Works for most of humanity.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:48AM (2 children)
So what? Other people do. At some point, we all need to value each others' liberty or else we won't have it ourselves.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @06:33AM (1 child)
Fuch you, khallow! Anyone polishing an AR-15 is a forking wussie that knows nothing about guns, but has all kinds of wet-dream fantasies about being a soldier! Too bad not even the US military, in its phase of taking white supremicists and felons and people with tatoos, would not accept them. Strange, the same holds true for females not accepting them either? Nope, the ones polishing AR-15s, (and what the hell are you doing polishing an assault rifle for, in the first place? Polish results in glare and reflections, which give your position away. Unless polishing your "weapon" is conservative code talk for something else? Could it be they are actually stroking their AR-15s?) I say, we take away their toys, and their testicles. It is the only way to be safe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @06:53AM
Calculate your odds of successfully separating the gonads from ~100 million people who own ~300 million firearms among them. Hint: you won't be safe.