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posted by martyb on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:01PM   Printer-friendly
from the stock-up-on-popcorn! dept.

2021-01-07 14:44:44 UTC: UPDATE (See below the fold).

Pro-Trump rioters breach the US Capitol on historic day in Congress:

Supporters of President Donald Trump breached the US Capitol on Wednesday while Congress was meeting to certify the Electoral College's votes for president and vice president.

The Capitol has been put on lockdown and the certification vote has been paused. Vice President Mike Pence was evacuated from the building. House and Senate leadership is safe and in undisclosed locations, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Congress' counting of electoral votes is typically little more than an afterthought. But this joint session was expected to be a contentious affair that would last late into the evening and possibly on Thursday. Some Republicans are objecting to the count and delaying the inevitable certification of President-elect Joe Biden's win.

Also at AlJazeera (In Pictures: Pro-trump mob storms US Capitol building) and c|net (Mob storms Capitol forcing halt of election vote count).

[2021-01-06 22:33:53 UTC; UPDATE] NOTE: This is a chaotic time.

The Electoral College votes are currently being confirmed and tallied. Runoff votes in Georgia are being tallied and the results may swing the balance of power in the US Senate. The Georgia secretary of state [has been] relocated from [State] Capitol for security reasons. Mitch McConnell goes off on Trump. Pro-Trump reporter gloats over access to fleeing Hill staffer's computer. And Trump hand-picks replacement for Atlanta's US attorney after surprise resignation.

Let's please try and keep the discussion civil.

Also, please be polite and share your popcorn!

[Updates Begin]:

(1) Fox News reports Biden's Electoral College victory certified -- hours after Capitol chaos:

The U.S. Congress early Thursday certified the Electoral College vote that gave Democrat Joe Biden his presidential victory -- after a day in Washington that was marred by pro-Trump protesters storming the U.S. Capitol.

Vice President Mike Pence, who had announced he would not overturn the will of voters, confirmed the Biden victory at 3:41 a.m. ET.

Lawmakers had returned to the chamber in an act of defiance, with some Republicans who initially vowed to challenge states' results due to voter fraud concerns announcing they'd instead vote to certify.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., called the breach of the Capitol a "failed insurrection," adding that those who "tried to disrupt our democracy" had not succeeded.

(2) President Trump "Responds" via Staffer's Twitter Account after His Account was Suspended:

Dan Scavino 🇺🇸 🦅@DanScavino:

Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Electoral Certification:

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our...

Dan Scavino 🇺🇸 🦅@DanScavino:

...fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"

(3) Facebook, Twitter lock Trump's account following video addressing Washington rioters:

  • Twitter and Facebook on Wednesday said they would lock the account of President Donald Trump after he continued to make false claims about the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
  • Facebook, YouTube and Twitter on Wednesday removed a video by President Donald Trump addressing Washington rioters.
  • Meanwhile, calls are mounting for Twitter and Facebook to suspend Trump's accounts.

(4) The Associated Press has called the results for the Georgia Senate elections: both Democratic candidates defeated their GOP opponents:

With projected victories in the twin races of Warnock and Ossoff, President-elect Joe Biden will have the narrowest majority in the Senate, with both parties holding 50-50 seats apiece, allowing the tie-breaking vote to be cast by Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.

Also at The New York Times.


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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:08PM (118 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:08PM (#1095851)

    Unfortunately only one of these rioters might have been shot. It should have been a lot more. Some of them were wearing ballistic vests which is why you always practice your head shots.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:16PM (25 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:16PM (#1095862)

      Haven't been watching, any news on who fired the shot? My guess, it's like drunk deer hunters around here that seem to shoot each other every fall. One of the recent ones was a half-blind father mistaking his son for a deer and killing him. Probably while drunk.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:19PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:19PM (#1095864)

        The only detail that I could find said that one woman was being treated for a gunshot wound. Probably an ND (negligent discharge).

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:28PM (#1095876)

          So, the Glock of the fresh congresswoman from Colorado? Knew letting her pack heat was not a good idea.

      • (Score: -1) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:48PM (19 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:48PM (#1095900) Homepage

        D.C. Police did.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:16AM (18 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:16AM (#1096006)

          The left is trying really really really hard to make the police the victim here. I've seen many of them say that it was a negligent discharge from the protesters themselves. Now that it's becoming common knowledge the police/Federal agents did it the narrative has become that she was reaching for the cops gun which is why she got shot.

          Lots of mental gymnastics to maintain their concept that police only shoot unarmed black people.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:50AM (16 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:50AM (#1096050)

            Lots of mental gymnastics to maintain their concept that police only shoot unarmed black people.

            NOT only... just mostly. By a big margin.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:01AM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:01AM (#1096056)

              NOT only... just mostly. By a big margin.

              This seems to indicate it's a silly assumption that the left acts like the statement I made is true. Then why are the people who just suggested defunding the police because they do crap like shoot unarmed people trying to find a reason the cops didn't shoot an unarmed person? Guess what is going to happen when they find out the police did shoot an unarmed person? They won't care or will say "good."

              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:00AM (3 children)

                by HiThere (866) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:00AM (#1096102) Journal

                Because "defund the police" is short, and politics these days is done via sound bites.
                The actual concept is (or was) that non-police services, like helping a retarded child, should be done by social service people rather than by the police. Now reduce that to a sound bite....

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                • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:54AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:54AM (#1096146)

                  The actual concept is (or was) that non-police services, like helping a retarded child, should be done by social service people rather than by the police. Now reduce that to a sound bite....

                  Oh? Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police [nytimes.com] or a version of it that can actually be read with out an account: https://archive.vn/GzitC [archive.vn]

                  Congressional Democrats want to make it easier to identify and prosecute police misconduct; Joe Biden wants to give police departments $300 million. But efforts to solve police violence through liberal reforms like these have failed for nearly a century.
                  Enough. We can’t reform the police. The only way to diminish police violence is to reduce contact between the public and the police.

                  Hell I believe we drastically need police reform and I'm even willing to discuss the idea of less police. But with less police would come a necessary increase in my ability to defend myself and decrease/abolish of gun control. The plan seems to be to both disarm the public AND neuter or abolish the police. That's retarded.

                  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:52AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:52AM (#1096398)

                    Enough. We can’t reform the police. The only way to diminish police violence is to reduce contact between the public and the police.

                    The plan seems to be to both disarm the public AND neuter or abolish the police. That's retarded.

                    It is very clear now that police needs to be purged of the extremists that have infiltrated it. It's very clear from events of last night that there are bad apples in the police. You saw that everyday with BLM protests, but can you dismiss this now with many police just ignoring their duties? You know exactly which side the police take by which side their back is to. And more often than not, their back was to the pro-Trump mobs with AR15s and not peaceful marchers without weapons.

                    At the same time they need be asked to do less, like not taking care of a retarded child. Or do "wellness checks" on suicidal persons.

                    So, both these actions mean less money for police since they will need less to do their actual jobs -- fewer officers, more good officers. Police should not be arresting 10 year olds with temper tantrums at school.

                • (Score: 0) by mydn on Friday January 08 2021, @02:00AM

                  by mydn (4215) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @02:00AM (#1096795)

                  "De-retard the police"

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:06AM (10 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:06AM (#1096109)

              It's not mostly either. ~10% of the US population is black, and they are 40% of the victims of police violence. An extremely disproportionate amount of police attention is obviously being paid here.

              • (Score: 1, Touché) by EEMac on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:14AM (8 children)

                by EEMac (6423) on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:14AM (#1096166)

                Blacks commit about 34% of the violent crimes [fbi.gov]. When you commit lots of violent crimes, you run into the police more. Funny how that happens.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:29AM (7 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:29AM (#1096180)

                  The racists always start leaking. Least now we know what EEMac is.

                  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:37AM (4 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:37AM (#1096187)

                    Statistics are racist and no additional analysis needs to be performed. There is only one explanation possible. There are no issues at all that could be addressed to help the situation except racism on the parts of the police.

                    Got it.

                    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:02AM (3 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:02AM (#1096350)

                      The statistics aren't racist, but the people who bring them up in contexts like this story certainly are. We already know what needs to be done, remove systemic racism and even more importantly fix the tax rates to reduce wealth inequality. Poverty is the main predictor of crime, but assholes like EEMac use them to push eugenics and genocide.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:47PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:47PM (#1096680)

                        we're going to kill all you race traitor bolshevik scum.

                      • (Score: 2) by EEMac on Friday January 08 2021, @04:09PM (1 child)

                        by EEMac (6423) on Friday January 08 2021, @04:09PM (#1097011)

                        > assholes like EEMac use [statistics] to push eugenics and genocide

                        Well, that escalated quickly.

                        I wish I'd known it's so easy to become Literally Hitler. I could have taken over several small countries by now.

                        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @06:34PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @06:34PM (#1097060)

                          DId I say you gassed millions? Nope, just pointing out how anyone who brings up black crime statistics for no real reason is statistically a racist. Just the facts bruh amirite?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:31AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:31AM (#1096237)

                    It's those racist whites putting on blackface to commit crimes who are giving the blacks a bad reputation.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:42AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:42AM (#1096336)

                    Well, it Depends. Does EEMac think that most violent crime is black on black? Or Hillbilly on hillbilly?

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:41PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:41PM (#1097090)

                "police attention". lmao. no doubt you don't live in the ghetto and get to see the American Nigger in it's true environment. These are not the friendly, perfectly normal and unthreatening, mixed race "blacks" on TV enjoying their internet streaming with their families, you dumb, brainwashed Goi.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:27PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:27PM (#1096474)

            > The left is trying really really really hard to make the police the victim here.

            Um... she's literally breaking through a door to get inside the house. Is there a conservative alive that is not salivating at the prospect of shooting her dead?

      • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:50AM (1 child)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:50AM (#1096142) Journal

        You would have guessed wrong: https://www.kusi.com/kusi-news-confirms-identity-of-woman-shot-and-killed-inside-us-capitol/ [kusi.com]

        The woman who was shot and killed inside the US Capitol during the protests was from the San Diego area.

        KUSI News has spoken with her husband.

        The woman is Ashli Babbit, a 14-year veteran, who served four tours with the US Air Force, and was a high level security official throughout her time in service.

        Her husband says she was a strong supporter of President Trump, and was a great patriot to all who knew her.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:55AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:55AM (#1096346)

          Coup d'grace, then?

      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:06AM

        by Reziac (2489) on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:06AM (#1096217) Homepage

        Reportedly the shot came from INSIDE the chamber (because she was trying to climb in the window!), so most likely Secret Service. And yes, she died on the spot. There's video of her expiring on the floor.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:27PM (63 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:27PM (#1095875)

      These are not rioters. These are mostly peaceful protesters.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:37PM (59 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:37PM (#1095891)

        Going for the +5, Funny, are we? Let me know when that orange dude says there were fine people on both sides.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:54PM (51 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:54PM (#1095907)

          Let me know when that orange dude says there were fine people on both sides.

          Ok: Trump’s full statement on the violence in Charlottesville [youtube.com] published Aug 14, 2017 and available from the Washington Post YouTube channel with a checkmark and everything. From the description:

          Two days after a woman was killed in Charlottesville amid clashes between white nationalists and counterprotesters, President Trump on Aug. 14 said groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, white supremacists and neo-Nazis “are repugnant.”

          Rather different take than the popular opinion about what he said. 81,915 views on the video. It's almost like people don't want to see it.

          I bet you are quite glad to hear Trump denounced white supremacists so you don't have to hate him for that anymore. And of course you have the intellectual honesty to work to correct the record.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:06PM (26 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:06PM (#1095926)

            And yet here they are, storming the chambers of Congress. Hmm.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:59PM (25 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:59PM (#1095983)

              What evidence do you have that they are white supremacists?

              • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:38AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:38AM (#1096037)

                Feelz

              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by crb3 on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:44AM (22 children)

                by crb3 (5919) on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:44AM (#1096044)

                The Confederate flags they're carrying.

                • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:58AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:58AM (#1096052)
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:10AM (20 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:10AM (#1096061)

                  Waving a Confederate flag is not a good look and it's not a look I'd go for myself. I'm not prepared to call every single person who waves one or all of the people who are next to people who are waving one as a white supremacist though.

                  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:26AM (11 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:26AM (#1096072)

                    I'm not prepared to call every single person who waves one or all of the people who are next to people who are waving one as a white supremacist though.

                    I am. We have had enough of this treason shit!

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:31AM (5 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:31AM (#1096078)

                      If you think things are bad now, you're going to love the next few decades.

                      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:03AM (4 children)

                        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:03AM (#1096106) Homepage

                        Those may not be fun, but the next few years will be, even from my perspective. Biden or Kamaltoe "Suck cock all the way to the top" Harris will now have to explain to everybody why Antifa, BLM, and COVID-19 will magically disappear -- at least for another 4 years. If they continue the lockdowns, they're gonna get raped in 2022 and recall movements (like Newsom's, already at 60% and rising) will revive bipartisan hatred against the more chosen politicians. The previous 4 years saw the talking heads go from "There's no such thing as a deep state" to "Yes, we are the deep state and only we know what's best for you." Some states will continue to thumb their nose at Washington, and if the Soros-funded ChiCom-aligned lawyers in the ACLU and EFF try to overturn their wishes in the Supreme Court, then we're back to square 1 with Capitols being stormed. Oh, did I mention that people would be continuing to panic-buy guns and ammo at accelerated rates that whole time?

                        We'll see more and more progressives and other lefties get tastes of their own medicine and fired or arrested for not using proper pronouns, refusing unsafe vaccines, and having family gatherings amidst a hoax "pandemic" that nobody in the checkout line believes -- much less the fuckhuge number of people including health professionals already refusing the vaccine. Women will drop out of sports because they can't compete against trannies. More and more parents will pull their kids out of school because of a few of those previously-mentioned reasons. Young Progressives, already battered with employment prospects, will be forced out of the workplace to make room for minimum-wage Mexicans and Africans while the few who did make it will be forced out in favor of imported Indians and Chinese getting paid a third of their salaries.

                        More and more people will seek alternatives for news now that everything everywhere is complete bullshit, the NFL and NBA are ruined irrecoverably due to going all-in on the COVID hoax and woke bullshit. Social media will solidify into boring circle-jerks with Trump gone or continue to be fixated on him to the point of looking like deranged weirdos. People won't consume tiresome Hollywood bullshit or TV now that everything is all-agenda, no substance. I won't even tell you what damage woke bullshit did to comedy.

                        And that's only if the Democrats follow through with what they say they are. Otherwise, Trumpers can laugh at their disillusionment when Biden throws them under the bus and tells them to fuck off -- at least until they pull Bernie and the Squad out from under the coffee table in 4 years to get the morons excited at the prospect of another White Jew (which, unfortunately for them, won't be Bernie) as president.

                        Might as well make lemonade from lemons.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:03AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:03AM (#1096153)

                          Eth has had to move in with family? Can't get another job after the racism incident at his last job? Downward spiral, eh? Poor sot.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:41PM (2 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:41PM (#1096725)

                          Dude...you've got more projection issues than a run down movie theater!
                          I would like to remind you of your own comment: [soylentnews.org]

                          What will likely happen is that Trump will win by a larger margin than before, and the Democrats with money from Soros/Jews and China will do whatever they can to stop the election: violence and rioting, endless litigation, vote re-counts and re-re counts, etc.

                          They will waste time just like they've done the past 4 years trying to get Trump out with sham impeachments and using the classic Jewish trick of accusing everybody else of what they themselves are doing.

                          You are truly a prescient fellow, just a little bit off on calling which side does all that stuff.

                          • (Score: -1) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday January 07 2021, @11:34PM (1 child)

                            by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday January 07 2021, @11:34PM (#1096746) Homepage

                            That is exactly what happened had there not been cheating.

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:18PM

                              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:18PM (#1097945)

                              A to think people went years thinking you were just a troll and not the racist douche bag you've always been.

                              You know what, I'm feeling generous. We'll let you have your election fraud claims, but then we'll skip the trials and.convict Trump of treason for colluding with Russia to infiltrate the US presidency. Yo boi is now in prison, and you're still an impotent little prick whose family still hates him.

                    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:40AM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:40AM (#1096083)

                      Throw this white supremacist in jail then: https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/ajc/UPENYNAX3BXXYUBCULDXL42CC4.jpg [arcpublishing.com]

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:40AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:40AM (#1096189)

                        Hey, that's Thomas. He's my mom's brother.

                    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:05AM (1 child)

                      by HiThere (866) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:05AM (#1096108) Journal

                      The US constitution rather clearly defines treason, and waving a confederate flag doesn't count when the Confederacy hasn't existed for over a century. Insurrection, possibly. Sedition, maybe. Incitement to riot, probably. But not treason.

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                      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:58AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:58AM (#1096388)

                        Wow

                        "Insurrection, possibly. Sedition, maybe. Incitement to riot, probably."

                        Let me fix that for you.

                        Insurrection: an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government. definitely

                        Sedition: A revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority, usually in the form of Treason or Defamation against government. definitely

                        Incitement to riot: no definition needed, obviously

                        Treason: likely but this one is legally a bit trickier in the US. Here is what this site had to say about it https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/treason.htm [criminaldefenselawyer.com]

                        From the Constitution - "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

                        The elements of treason are the same under state and federal law:

                                the defendant owes allegiance to the government, and
                                the defendant intentionally betrays that allegiance by either
                                        levying war against the government, or
                                        giving aid or comfort to the government’s enemies.

                        ------------------------------

                        So your equivocations about what happened are a very bad look for you. Insurrection, sedition, and incitement to riot happened 100% by Trump, Giuliani, and the mob that stormed the capitol. Don't shy away from this, that is what happened. Come to grips with it, reject the rightwing terrorism brewing in the US, and help us safeguard our country from such attempted coups in the future.

                        And yes, possibly treason depending on whether the mob's actions can be considered an act of war. They stormed the capitol with weapons and explosives, and whether the treason can be pinned on Trump with his weasel wording that leaves a legal sliver of doubt is yet to be determined.

                        Believe your eyes and ears, stop listening to what Fox and their propaganda puppets Hannity and Carlson tell you to believe. Use that brain, read the definitions, and decide yourself.

                    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:43PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:43PM (#1097093)

                      you aren't going to do shit, but get exterminated like the bitch-ass, laarping neo-bolshevik's useful idiot that you are.

                  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:29PM (5 children)

                    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:29PM (#1096624)

                    I'm not prepared to call every single person who waves one ... a white supremacist though.

                    I am.

                    The Confederacy stood for white supremacy and slavery. They were very open and explicit about it: Their founding documents said that they were trying to leave the USA because they wanted to preserve slavery and that they thought white people were superior to all others. Their politicians gave speeches in support of white supremacy. Their national policies were very much driven by white supremacy.

                    And the flag commonly called "the Confederate flag" wasn't actually the flag of the Confederacy, it was a modified version of the flag of one of the armies of the Confederacy, popularized as "the Confederate flag" by the second Ku Klux Klan in the late 1910's and 1920's. It rose in prominence again in the 1950's as a symbol of opposition to the Civil Rights Movement, pushed by the third Klan.

                    That's what it means, and the people who take part in terrorist actions waving that flag around know full well that's what it means.

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                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:19PM (4 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:19PM (#1096712)

                      So were The Dukes of Hazzard racist KKK members who opposed civil rights? And that's why the flag featured so prominently on their car?

                      Or maybe, just maybe, the flag had come to represent different things to different people by the late 20th century, but because one minority used it to represent something bad, the media saw this one minority use and pushed the simple-minded narrative that it could only ever represent the one bad thing.

                      Kind of like how slavery-obsessed Americans new to software development cannot comprehend that the term "master" could be used in any other context than historical slavery in the US, and so demand that the term be censored, and that anyone who refuses to do so is racist.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:37AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:37AM (#1096771)

                        I remember an essay by an African-American about how when he was a boy, the hottest toy was a model of the Gen'l Lee, the Moonshine Runner of the Dukes of Hazzard. Seemed to have messed him up, later in life, when he came to understand what the flag on the roof, and the namesake, meant.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:54PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:54PM (#1097007)

                          I remember an essay by an African-American about how when he was a boy, the hottest toy was a model of the Gen'l Lee, the Moonshine Runner of the Dukes of Hazzard. Seemed to have messed him up, later in life, when he came to understand what the flag on the roof, and the namesake, meant.

                          Precisely my point - until the moment he was "educated", the flag to him probably just represented a sense of Southern-ness - a shared culture and community. There is no racism inherent in the symbol.

                          As a parallel to the Confederate flag, the USA itself also had slavery enshrined in its original constitution (eg. the 3/5ths compromise). So where are the demands to ban the flag of the USA?
                          There is no such demand because in the culture of rich white folks with a platform, what the USA flag means now isn't the same as what the USA flag meant then.
                          But they will do mental flips and twists to deny that the exact same thing could possibly have happened for the Confederate flag.

                      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday January 08 2021, @04:59PM (1 child)

                        by Thexalon (636) on Friday January 08 2021, @04:59PM (#1097032)

                        So were The Dukes of Hazzard racist KKK members who opposed civil rights?

                        We're talking about fictional characters here, not real people, so we can't do more than speculate. However, if you had the same show, but the Duke boys were black, do you really think that (a) it would have existed in the 1970's as anything other than a 1-time blaxploitation film, and (b) there would be the same sort of "aw shucks" attitude towards the heroes from law enforcement?

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                        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:47PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:47PM (#1097095)

                          who gives a shit, you race traitor cuck?

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @02:55AM (1 child)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @02:55AM (#1096820) Journal

                    Except they are, by definition. Look at the rationales the Confederate territories gave for secession. It was ALWAYS about slavery, even though a few of them *tried* to dress it up as "states' rights."

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @04:06PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @04:06PM (#1097010)

                      Look at the original constitution of the USA and you'll see slavery enshrined within it. So should we burn the stars and stripes?

                      Or should we accept that symbols can change their meaning over time, and come to represent something disinct from their historical origin?

                      Or should we just let hate groups adopt and corrupt any symbol (eg. the "OK" hand sign) they choose, and thus make them unusable for the rest of society for all eternity?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:34AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:34AM (#1096239)
                What's the matter? Don't like being labeled over the actions of others?
          • (Score: 3, Touché) by pe1rxq on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:31PM (21 children)

            by pe1rxq (844) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:31PM (#1095955) Homepage

            If it takes you two days to decide that the KKK and NAZIs are bad there is something seriously wrong with you.

            • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:07AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:07AM (#1095994)

              Trump is fairly disgraceful but it took Trump 2 days to talk about the event at all. The very fine people statement and the 'condemn totally' statement happened at the same press conference.

              Perhaps you won't trust a well known extreme right wing biased news source such as USA Today but don't take my word for it [usatoday.com]:

              Our ruling: Partly false

              The claims in the post have been rated PARTLY FALSE. Following the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Trump did say that there were "very fine people on both sides," when speaking about those who attended the rally in support, and those who demonstrated against it. But the meme misrepresents Trump's statements, because he did not say directly, "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally." The two statements were separate, the second part coming later, after further questioning from reporters. During the first presidential debate, both Wallace and Biden referenced Trump's "very fine people" comment but did not say he applied it to neo-Nazis.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:11AM (18 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:11AM (#1096000)

              I know that USA Today is an extremely right wing biased white supremacist news source that can't be trusted at all but according to them it was only a few minutes between very fine people and Nazis are bad. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/17/fact-check-trump-quote-very-fine-people-charlottesville/5943239002/ [usatoday.com]

              Our ruling: Partly false

              The claims in the post have been rated PARTLY FALSE. Following the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Trump did say that there were "very fine people on both sides," when speaking about those who attended the rally in support, and those who demonstrated against it. But the meme misrepresents Trump's statements, because he did not say directly, "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally." The two statements were separate, the second part coming later, after further questioning from reporters. During the first presidential debate, both Wallace and Biden referenced Trump's "very fine people" comment but did not say he applied it to neo-Nazis.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:41AM (17 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:41AM (#1096039)
                You two are talking about two difference incidents.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:56AM (16 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:56AM (#1096051)

                  Oh I didn't realize that. What two different incidents is that?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:09AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:09AM (#1096060)

                    The speech he gave to the Left and the speech he gave to the Right. They are so different they must have been separate speeches.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:27AM (2 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:27AM (#1096073)

                      It's not the only time that's happened. It seems like everything that comes out of Trump's mouth is said twice: once to the left wing and once to the right wing. It's amazing too because it happens at the same time on the same TV channel but two completely different interpretations.

                      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:11AM (1 child)

                        by HiThere (866) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:11AM (#1096118) Journal

                        I've occasionally looked carefully as what he said, and the reason for the multiple interpretations is quite clear. What he said didn't make any sense at all when interpreted literally. But if you insisted on parsing it into something with a meaning, the meaning you came out with was the meaning you attributed to him given that you knew the context in which he was speaking. People normally correct for small errors without noticing. And these were "fairly small" errors...but if taken literally they totally destroyed the meaning. So people assume that the "small automatic corrections" they make need to be loosened a bit to allow larger corrections to be made. So they hear what they're willing to hear in a form that makes meaning possible.

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                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:05AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:05AM (#1096156)

                          I concur 100% with your analysis and I have shared parts of it with others before. Trump tends to emit word salad and like art it is highly open to interpretation. I haven't yet seen anything people get worked up over Trump saying actually being worth all the noise made over it. Well, I can imagine such a thing if I come at it with preconceived notions about how much of a $thing that Trump is, be it dictator, racist, or grandma murderer. What I see is some vague mostly nonsense that if any value can be extracted at all involves taking what he says with several heavy grains of salt. He likes to wonder out loud, he likes to talk and think at the same time, he doesn't know when to shut up, and his vocabulary isn't very good. I'd say he embarrasses himself but I don't think he knows what that means.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:05AM (11 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:05AM (#1096216)
                    "stand back and stand by.'. your echo chambers succeeded in distracting you from it, apparently.
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:26AM (10 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:26AM (#1096235)

                      Is there a point you are making that isn't completely discredited by the fact that the Proud Boys are not white supremicists? BLM group, Proud Boys stand together at Salt Lake City press conference [youtube.com]

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:40AM (9 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:40AM (#1096248)
                        nice try, but white supremacy was specifically what trump was called on. proud boys came up cos he didn't want to... *chuckle*... make too broad of condemnation and asked for an example.
                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:51AM (8 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:51AM (#1096256)

                          Jesus christ your memory is faulty as fuck. Biden suggested Trump denounce the PB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-q-drlJg1U [youtube.com]

                          Three people have microphones: Trump, Biden and Wallace. You can tell it wasn't Wallace who said Proud Boys in that jumble. It sure wasn't Trump.

                          In all cases the request to identify and denounce Proud Boys by name came external from Trump.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:32AM (7 children)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:32AM (#1096277)
                            Trump was challenged to condemn white supremacy and didn't. Your link confirms that. Appreciated. :)
                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:15AM (6 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:15AM (#1096305)

                              What is the required amount of times to denounce white supremacy then? https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/ [factcheck.org]

                              • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:19AM (4 children)

                                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:19AM (#1096308)

                                Just once if it is a sincere condemnation. Trump's condemnations are the lightest criticism immediately followed by "anteefa is the devil" and how bad liberals are. Pretty pathetic, but hey it lets you trolls pretend like white supremacists aren't white supremacists.

                                • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:53AM (3 children)

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:53AM (#1096342)

                                  I've been witch hunted enough by you fucks to know that if you actually mean and believe what you said that you are utterly unable to identify who is a white supremacist.

                                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:00AM (1 child)

                                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:00AM (#1096349)

                                    "We found a witch! May we burn her?"

                                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:21PM

                                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:21PM (#1096535)

                                      Does she float?

                                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:04AM

                                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:04AM (#1096354)

                                    Uh oh, your brain is imploding.

                              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:30PM

                                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:30PM (#1096477)

                                What is the required amount of times to denounce white supremacy then?

                                Funny that you ask that right after YOU provide a link showing Trump dodging a specific request about denouncing white supremacy. https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=41509&page=1&cid=1096256#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] It's brave of you to accuse others of a witch hunt after you've shot your own case in the foot.

            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:49PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:49PM (#1097096)

              kkk: someone had to keep the niggers in check. just a fact.
              "nazis": jew slur for the nsdap that brainwashed Goi parrot like good little race traitors.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:40AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:40AM (#1096774)

            Here, read this! Outside your bubble, I know, and you might die, but take a look, anyway.

            https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2018/09/biggest-fcking-mistake-ive-made-trump-was-furious-after-he-condemned-white-supremacists-and-neo-nazis/ [thenewcivilrightsmovement.com]

            Probably no longer the biggest fusking mistake he ever made.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:02PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:02PM (#1096952)

            The media is very selective about what they quote. Not that Trump doesn't say stupid things but so does Biden. It's just that the media kinda ignores it when Biden does it and they make a big deal out of it when Trump does it.

            The fact is that Trump is much more articulate than Biden. It's just the way that the media spins it.

            It's sad though that Trump is obviously more articulate and more coherent than Biden. It shows how incoherent our politicians are. Trump and Biden are both clowns.

        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:03AM (1 child)

          by HiThere (866) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:03AM (#1096104) Journal

          Well, he's already praised them for showing up to support him. So far as I've heard he hasn't said a word in favor of anyone else.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:05AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:05AM (#1096155)

            Praise? He said they were "special". You know, that kind of "special"?

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by Thexalon on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:31AM (4 children)

          by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:31AM (#1096181)

          Both the president and Ivanka called them "patriots". Because apparently attacking your government is patriotic.

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          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:10AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:10AM (#1096327)

            It is when the government is rotten to the core.

            Demoliars vs Republoliars

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:59PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:59PM (#1096686)

            of course it is. the government/congress is 95% scum who should have been dragged out and hung on a live stream. kill all the media scum too.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @05:58AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @05:58AM (#1096895)

              of course it is. the government/congress is 95% scum who should have been dragged out and hung on a live stream. kill all the media scum too.

              Channeling The Turner Diaries [wikipedia.org] are we?

              Why are you posting here? Don't you have a cross to burn, a nigger to lynch or a jew to beat to death?

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:56PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:56PM (#1097101)

                never read that. written by an FBI informant.
                cross burning is misdirected anger. kkk should have attacked the whites at the top who pitted the poor whites against the freed slaves.
                only for lynching blacks who are actually niggers and have done something to deserve it. blacks were committing heinous crimes against Whites (disproportionately) back in the day just like now.
                The Jews ran/run the global slave trade, and are actively importing non-whites into majority white countries as part of a global white genocide and destabilization plan.
                I would still rather banish them instead of using violence. Of course, when you try and do that, they bring all their slave states against you and murder 10's of millions of your people like in WW2.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:08AM (2 children)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:08AM (#1096158) Journal
        The rest of the world is reporting this, and Trump's (and Republicans who supported him) months of attacks on democracy, as an attempted coup. By Trump.

        There's no easy way to walk back from this.

        Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, and everyone else who fed the beast are traitors. Same as Trump.

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        • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:28AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:28AM (#1096179)

          Not according to the definition in 18 U.S. Code § 2381.

          But you are in our northern playground and it is none of your business.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:23PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:23PM (#1097946)

            Go home traitor.

    • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:39PM (17 children)

      by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:39PM (#1095893)

      It was a woman named Robin. She was shot in the neck, bled out, and died.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:55PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:55PM (#1095912)

        It was a woman named Robin. She was shot in the neck, bled out, and died.

        Shot by whom though?

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:16PM (#1095938)

          No matter who pulled the trigger, the onus is on whoever incited this action.

          Of course after 350K Covid deaths, what is a few more?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:31AM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:31AM (#1096076)

          From what I've heard she was shot by Whitehouse security while climbing through a window. Very few details.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:06AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:06AM (#1096110)

            The videos and pictures are being removed from Twitter but I've already seen them. Yes she was climbing through a window. Yes she was shot by people on the other side of the window.

            I'd link to the videos and pictures but I can't.

          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:13AM

            by HiThere (866) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:13AM (#1096120) Journal

            Who did you hear it from and what source did they give?

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        • (Score: 1, Redundant) by crafoo on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:37AM

          by crafoo (6639) on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:37AM (#1096242)

          There is video on bitchute of her getting shot climbing in through a broken window.

          I heard her name was Robin, but that was incorrect. I also heard the body count was 3, but I haven't tried to confirm that.

        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:36PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:36PM (#1096629)

          If I had to guess, the shot was from the Secret Service. Especially if she was trying to get in while Mike Pence was in the chamber, which they pretty much had to treat as an assassination attempt.

          The fact is that there were enough people with guns and other weapons on the scene that I'm very surprised only 1 person was shot.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:23AM (6 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:23AM (#1096122) Homepage Journal

        The woman who was shot is Ashli Babbit, a twelve year veteran of the US Navy.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:07AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:07AM (#1096157)

          Not true. Citation needed. What is it about service in the Navy that makes some American lose their minds so badly? Like Runaway, here.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:12AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:12AM (#1096161)

          Air Force, not Navy.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:04AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:04AM (#1096215)

            14 years + four tours.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:22AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:22AM (#1096231) Homepage Journal

              What does "14 years + four tours" mean, exactly? Four tours in Iraq maybe? I'm not disputing - just want to know what you mean.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:21AM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:21AM (#1096230) Homepage Journal

            I stand corrected. Something that I watched early on said she was Navy. I've seen multiple sources that say she was Air Force. Thank you.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:08AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:08AM (#1096357)

              "I stand corrected."

              as always

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:55PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:55PM (#1095910)

      Don't say that shit. The majority of the protesters are just idiots who believe lies and think they are standing for "real" democracy. They can protest if they want, they can believe lies if they want. No one should be shot unless they are committing violence and shooting them is the only option

      I despise these assholes, but that is no reason to suddenly lose my own morality and hope they die for being idiots.

      They have a right to protest, and storming the capitol should be met with arrests not bullets. If one of these morons points a gun at police, well they forfeit the right to not be shot.

      Someone please mod the parent flamebait or troll.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:07AM (3 children)

        by sjames (2882) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:07AM (#1096111) Journal

        To be fair, an angry mob was actually busting in to confront a fairly geriatric senate..

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:42AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:42AM (#1096134)

          Yes I understand, I wasn't passing judgment on any specific incident since we do not yet have the details.

          The comment said not enough people were shot, and that is a blanket statement which I see as morally repugnant. I doubt more than a handful of the protesters were true extremists planning to harm anyone, just angry people misled by scheming fascists. Ethics should not be partisan.

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @11:16AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @11:16AM (#1096402)

            The comment said not enough people were shot, and that is a blanket statement which I see as morally repugnant. I doubt more than a handful of the protesters were true extremists planning to harm anyone, just angry people misled by scheming fascists. Ethics should not be partisan.

            A good point. I did see a reporter (can't remember who, but I think it was Amna Nawaz [wikipedia.org]) who said she interviewed one of the folks who had been inside the Capitol who said that once they got inside they "walked all around and checked it out because they'd never been there before, then got bored and came back outside."

            I watched a bunch of video and a lot of it looked like undirected rage. And who can blame them? They've been fed a pack of lies about "rigged elections" and the like, where do they direct their anger?

            I heard one woman call in to CSPAN crying. She was distraught over that woman's death and was wondering aloud if all of the talk about evil democrats and stolen elections were lies...she said, "Oh my god. I voted for him! I voted for him!"

            It was fairly heart wrenching.

            That's not to say that it's okay to bust into the Capitol and trash people's offices. In fact, doing so is insurrection against the US government, especially if they were armed/brandishing weapons.

            It's really sad that folks have gotten so twisted up by the lies and misinformation that opportunists are promulgating, mostly to make money.

            • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:18AM

              by Thexalon (636) on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:18AM (#1097305)

              one of the folks who had been inside the Capitol who said that once they got inside they "walked all around and checked it out because they'd never been there before, then got bored and came back outside."

              18 USC 1752 [casetext.com]: Those actions alone are punishable by up to a year in prison, unless they brought a weapon in or hit somebody in which case it's 10 years. Oh, and if the prosecutors go by the doctrine of felony murder, it is possible they could be criminally responsible for the dead cop, even though they didn't kill said cop.

              I get that a lot of these people committed their crimes with the impression that they wouldn't be charged or punished for them. I get that a lot of people have, in many cases because they agree with the crimes in question, decided that they shouldn't be charged or punished for them even if they could be. But make no mistake, that person is a crook, and a lot of the people advocating for people like them to not be punished are the same ones who believed Michael Brown deserved to die for jaywalking.

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by istartedi on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:55AM (2 children)

        by istartedi (123) on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:55AM (#1096322) Journal

        The majority of the protesters are just idiots who believe lies and think they are standing for "real" democracy

        And it turns out that "idiots" are a significant component of our society. I put "idiots" in quotes because even though this batch skews away from college, it's still possible to trick educated people who test with high IQs. A significant body of research was conducted shortly after WW2, such as the infamous Milgram Experiment and the Stanford Prison Study.

        Y'all can google that stuff. The big take-away is that a significant percentage of the population, even smart students from Stanford, will do horrible things if they believe that a legitimate authority is leading them.

        You may not sleep any better at night knowing this, but it's better to be armed with that knowledge than ignorant of it. More importantly it's even better not to assume that only the other guy is the idiot.

        Seeking the answer to the question, "How do I know I'm not the fool?" might be key to keeping society on track.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:33PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:33PM (#1096433)

          Thank you and all the animosity does not help.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:30PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:30PM (#1096566)

            Animosity enters when lies are called out and people double down on them. When someone like Trump and his admin lie as a matter of course and are defended. When obvious crimes are ignored for partisan loyalty. When lies are used to minimize police brutality and murder.

            These are not topics where we can agree to disagree.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:55PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:55PM (#1095976)

      Not much rioting, really. Not like Kenosha, where the burnt a sizeable portion of the city. No fires at all in fact. Get your head out of your ass, please.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:16AM (#1096007)

        "It was just a little locker room rioting, boys will be boys!"

        looooool, the hypocrisy it burrrrrrnnnnssss

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