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posted by mattie_p on Monday February 17 2014, @04:55PM   Printer-friendly
from the my-little-printer dept.

similar_name writes: "The prospect of children printing their own Transformers and My Little Pony toys is a step closer, after toy firm Hasbro revealed a partnership with 3D printing company 3D Systems. The two companies are working together to 'co-develop and commercialize innovative play printers and platforms later this year.'"

[Ed. Note] The first one I would print is Applejack.

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  • (Score: 1) by Hombre on Monday February 17 2014, @10:29PM

    by Hombre (977) on Monday February 17 2014, @10:29PM (#1130)

    I assume that by "3D printer templates" you mean the 3D models/STL files? Why do you believe that they "will soon be showing up on ThePirateBay"?

    I have some experience in this field. If I created the 3D model for myself, I'm probably not going to share it. This is because I'm probably going 3D print copies and sell them as part of my business.

    If I commission someone to create the 3D model for me (and I still do this on a regular basis), I'm pretty confident that they won't be giving out that model to others without my express permission (which I won't grant). Why would they risk the trouble? Maybe other terms... If I commissioned you to do custom code work for me, and as part of our contract the code is mine, you're not allowed to share it with others, etc., would you risk the trouble by uploading the source to TPB or elsewhere?

    Forgive me for jumping to the conclusion that said model was posted on TPB without permission. I think it's generally understood that file sharing and torrents are fine and perfectly legit, but TPB (specifically) usually implies copyright infringement.

    There's a whole host of variations on who created what, for what purpose, and what license it's intended for and I really don't want to try to cover all permutations. Just let me say that, frankly, I do not see 3D models, designed for 3D printing (the latter point being kind of important) suddenly popping up on TPB and being a problem.

  • (Score: 1) by ArhcAngel on Monday February 17 2014, @10:53PM

    by ArhcAngel (654) on Monday February 17 2014, @10:53PM (#1146)

    Why? Because I know human nature. I know more than my fair share of individuals who will spend inordinate amounts of resources in order to avoid purchasing something if they believe they can get it for free because they have no sense of what value their time/energy are worth. I have quite literally worked with a man who worked harder at getting out of his responsibilities at work than actually doing his job would have required. Then there's the laborer who sees an opportunity to make a few extra dollars and copies your STL file from an unsecured PC in the office you commissioned the work to be done. Or maybe it's the thrill seeker who likes the adrenaline rush sneaking in and taking something that isn't theirs gives them. It has happened and it will continually happen as long as humans are part of the process.

    • (Score: 1) by Hombre on Tuesday February 18 2014, @04:05AM

      by Hombre (977) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @04:05AM (#1386)

      I don't doubt that some people will go out of their way to get stuff for free, but you really didn't answer the question. Where are the models going to come from that results in the opportunity for them to be uploaded to TPB? The closest you came to an answer appears to be a belief that someone is going to hack a workstation in an office? Obviously not impossible, but I don't really see it. Or do you mean the co-worker of the contractor? Sorry, but I don't see that happening very often, if at all.

      This conversation came up a few other times at The Other Site as well. No one has ever given a plausible answer for where these models will come from. There are plenty of free models available on 3D Warehouse, GrabCAD, and similar places, so then bring out up on TPB isn't really a concern. They're not ready for 3D printing, but they can be repaired.

      No, we're talking about high quality, professional models designed explicitly for 3D printing, somehow, magically finding their way onto TPB. There simply is not a credible way for someone to get a hold of a model, without it being given to them, for them to put it on TPB.

      Unauthorized downloading is not where the concern should be.

      The concern is more likely to be with unauthorized casting/duplication. That is, if I allow someone to get a 3D print, say thru a 3rd party service like Shapeways, or even if I print it myself for the customer, and they then make a rubber mold and cast copies in resin or metal. That can and does happen.

  • (Score: 1) by mhajicek on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:26AM

    by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:26AM (#1353)

    There are already oodles of free models out there. 3dcontentcentral, grabcad, cncguns, etc. Sometimes people just want to share.

    The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
  • (Score: 1) by Qzukk on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:52AM

    by Qzukk (1086) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:52AM (#1374) Journal

    I do not see 3D models, designed for 3D printing (the latter point being kind of important) suddenly popping up on TPB and being a problem.

    It won't necessarily be YOUR 3d model that appears, but if you sell a simple chunk of plastic, I expect that someone's going to figure it out and A 3d model [] will appear.

    • (Score: 1) by Hombre on Tuesday February 18 2014, @04:09AM

      by Hombre (977) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @04:09AM (#1390)

      So? Unfortunate, but that's no different from what can already be done even without a 3D printer. Mold-making and casting. Some people will do that, even though it's cheaper to just get an original than it is to reverse engineer it, especially if they have to now make the 3D model first.

  • (Score: 1) by ArhcAngel on Wednesday February 19 2014, @02:21AM

    by ArhcAngel (654) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @02:21AM (#2094)
    From TPB []:

    A collection of all of Garin's 40K .stl files, snagged before GW dropped the C&D.
    Contains the following:
    ---Dreadnoughts (Model and weapon options)
    ---Space Marines (Head, Weapon, Torso, Leg, Shoulder, and Arm options. Also Attack Bikes and applicable leg options)
    ---Terminators (Head, Weapon, Torso, Leg, Shoulder, and Arm options, including Obliterator heads and Grey Knight heads/weapons)
    ---(Some) Primarchs
    ---Tau Drone, body only (No weapons or stand)
    ---City and Space Hulk model bases
    Enjoy, and fuck GW!

    It's already started.

    • (Score: 1) by Hombre on Wednesday February 19 2014, @04:04AM

      by Hombre (977) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @04:04AM (#2140)

      That's fantastic and I've never argued against *what you showed happening, happening." Maybe we have a disconnect, because AFAICT you've just shown that you don't get it. Garin did those models, not GW. Pretty safe bet that Garin put those models on TPB. I never said that wouldn't happen.

      It seems like now you want to argue that someone made a 3D model of someone else's IP without permission and then put that up. And? I never said that wouldn't happen. You can't stop someone from making a 3D model and once they do that, there's no telling what they'll do with it.

      I've said:

      -- These models have to be created, pretty specifically for 3D print applications
      -- A model will not end up on TPB unless the original modeler gave the model out (for free or for pay)
      -- If he gave it out for free then who cares if it ends up on TPB
      -- A model designed for 3D printing isn't likely to be given out to multiple people, even for a fee. More likely is he would either print it for the customer himself or use a third party service.

      In Garin's case, those models are now on TPB *only* because GW sent a C&D. Prior to that, he used a third party service to print them for customers.

      I made a model of a Star Destroyer. I don't give it out. So? Someone else will make a model of a Star Destroyer. They'll give it out. See 3D Warehouse. Eventually Disney will decide that they don't like that, but they haven't cared since they bought out Lucas, and Lucas didn't care for the several years those models were there before hand.

      Maybe we need to differentiate between the legitimate rights holder and the model creator, but you never brought that up until now. You were always talking about the model creator, and that's where I pointed my response.

      • (Score: 1) by ArhcAngel on Wednesday February 19 2014, @05:18AM

        by ArhcAngel (654) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @05:18AM (#2167)

        So you basically did not understand my original comment about "controlling" this technology. I referenced 3DRM technology as a logical extension of existing DRM for the new tech but control comes in many forms. The C&D was another and you can bet this will escalate just like it has in audio and video. You'll see manufacturers lobbying to limit who can legally own either the printers themselves or the raw materials to make certain things. And I still disagree with you regarding private files getting out. If someone wants them bad enough they will get them.