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Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted:
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-25/?page=2
>jaromil today i was scrolling through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_...
>golinux Well, I tried but couldn't find anybody. Then nextime popped up
>jaromil jeez. we need to take precautions. and also I get the point from Sarah Mei we need a code of conduct on-line and later for on-site http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fos...
> its never too early for that
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>golinux One can only control one's own actions. ;)
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>jaromil ah the wise one
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>Wizzup he is doxed?
>jaromil that's him. we have a dossier yes
Devuan has been criticized for taking a "who gives a damn" and "real admins do it all by hand themselves every install" attitude towards security hardening scripts, and despise in particular any mention of the "bastille" linux hardening script (originally funded by Mandrake Linux).
Interestingly when Devuan was forming, the people behind Devuan cited the very person they are considering making the code of conduct against:
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141027
>VUA: It will be a governing body that puts the benefits of the users first, not the mystification of a "doacracy" delivering all the power to the package maintainers.
>Originally, Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. The Free Software movement itself is there to defend users' rights. Sgryphon explains it well in this thread. ( http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3031 )
>We will likely reproduce the governing body of Debian to follow its original mandate, with the advantage of starting small and more focused, hopefully with less pressure from the interest of commercial developers.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:55PM
She complains that the conference doesn't have a code of conduct...although they do have a "will not be tolerated" clause. You want them to spell out each individual thing that isn't tolerated?
No, as I read her post, possibly the only thing linked in the summary written coherently (although its wrong, at least its well written) and she is angry that the CoC as provided does not assume the guilty party is automatically guilty and does not admit guilt on behalf of the organizers.
There's two problems.
One is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. She doesn't feel that should apply to SJW issues as a superior member of a two tiered establishment. She can also F off and we're better off as a community without someone with an attitude like that. She's like something right out of the middle ages. Her implied attitude is right out of the salem witch trials, right out of nazi era judiciary. Right out of southern women getting blacks lynched for saying he flirted with a white woman. Her belief is purified, distilled, evil, a poison to the community, and if she leaves and takes that belief with her the community will only be healthier and stronger and better for her absence.
The other problem is sexual harassment is a sue-able offense and depending on definition games can also be illegal. The reason why she wants the CoC to admit guilt in writing, is so she can sue the organizers AND sponsors for all they're worth for intentionally creating an unfriendly environment and doing her the favor of documenting themselves as unfriendly, as fully and intentionally and knowingly liable, as guilty. That will make her what feminists think is a hero. She wants the CoC to read something like "All men participating in this conference as organizers, sponsors, or just visitors are by definition of their participation as our formal written policy, explicitly guilty of sexual harassment" and she wants to submit a photo of that written admission of guilt at her lawsuit for a million bucks. Who cares if she destroys lives and communities as long as she wins at the trial and gets to be the oh so brave hero. No lawyer would be dumb enough to put up a written policy stating our written policy is we're guilty of anything anyone says, so please take all our money from us as fast as possible. Again, she can also F off and we're better off as a community without someone with an attitude like that. Her absence would improve the community.
The weird thing about evil acts, is her written opinion in this situation is disgustingly horrifically evil. But aside from that she's probably a very nice person. And I refuse to believe all women and therefore all women programmers or attendees are as self admittedly evil as she clearly implies she is or wants to be. Maybe its her idea of a cry for help or attention or pity. Most women are very nice people. More non-evil women would be nice at conferences. But if an otherwise nice person like her can encourage such unadulterated evil, doesn't that mean that anyone, any random nice guy off the street could throw Jews into the ovens? The problem of evil... a classic philosophical problem with no real solution.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:28PM
tell us how you really feel
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday June 01 2016, @11:43PM
Ok. I think VLM has a good deconstruction of the situation. I've sat through enough presentations by the female equivalent of MikeeUSA to know what it feels like.
Here's what I really feel. I feel that we have a discussion here going on 105 comments as I write this, Devuan is considering implementing a “code of conduct” which may or may not be sexist and/or cissexist, and all of this happened because MikeeUSA had an outburst.
MikeeUSA is a crass troll, but he's effective. Where he pops up so do codes of conduct, so does *FEEL GUILTY*. Soylent thankfully dodged that bullet (/me tips hat to our resident Apache attack copter and notes I need to renew my subscription). It is a quite astonishing pattern, no?
One would think that it were almost as if, possibly, and perhaps my tinfoil is on a bit tight here, and maybe I'm still bitter about being intimidated by Grand Valley State University's rape culture to stay in the closet when I began gender transition, that possibly, maybe, it almost may be the case that MikeeUSA isn't who he claims to be…!
Naah, that's probably just crazy talk.