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posted by martyb on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the "this-end-up" dept.

If you had big plans this weekend, David Meade regrets to inform you that the world will be ending Saturday.

Meade, a Christian numerologist and self-described "researcher," says Sept. 23 is foretold in the Bible's Book of Revelation as the day a series of catastrophic events will begin, and as a result, "a major part of the world will not be the same," the Washington Post reports.

The Bible prophecies a woman "clothed with the sun" and a "crown of 12 stars" giving birth to a boy who will "rule all the nations" while she fights off a seven-headed dragon. The woman, Meade says, is the constellation Virgo, which on Saturday will be positioned under nine stars and three planets, per Popular Mechanics.

The baby boy will be the planet Jupiter, which will be moving out of Virgo on that night.

According to Meade, who says he studied astronomy at an unspecified university in Kentucky, the great change in our world will be the result of the arrival of Nibiru, a planet famous in conspiracy circles but which astronomers say doesn't exist.

http://wnep.com/2017/09/20/researcher-says-this-saturday-will-be-the-end-of-the-world/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/09/17/the-world-as-we-know-it-is-about-to-end-again-if-you-believe-this-biblical-doomsday-claim/ (soft paywalled)


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  • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:02AM (77 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:02AM (#571013) Journal

    Alright, I may be mod banned and what not, but seriously? Eds choose this over my very real and plausible "end of the world in neo-nazi holocaust" submissions? Once again, I am disappointed in SoylentNews. If not for the DNs, I probably wouldn't even read this site, anymore.

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  • (Score: 3, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:24AM (41 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:24AM (#571021) Journal

    Wow, spam right off the bat! OK, admins! I will not email you, but I assume you read your own site. This is an uncalled for spam mod. I am not selling anything except free speech, and if some are tired of hearing that, they are not justified in throwing a spam mod. I expect this to be rescinded in the next 24 hours. If not, there will be consequences! And probably not the consequences you expect. I want to know who modded this spam. I want a user name. I want accountability, and I want punishment. Is there justice on SoylentNews? Or is this just an echo chamber for the uneducated millennial loser?

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:30AM (7 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:30AM (#571027) Journal

      Is there justice on SoylentNews? Or is this just an echo chamber for the uneducated millennial loser?

      False dichotomy, magister.
      As a penance, look at yourself into a mirror, then go and sin no more.

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      • (Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:44AM (6 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:44AM (#571076) Journal

        cannot reply lameness filter lame.

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        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:58AM (5 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:58AM (#571080) Journal

          Domine, parce mihi, quia peccavi.

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          • (Score: 2, Informative) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:04AM (4 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:04AM (#571082) Journal

            Mea Culpa, Mea culpa! Domine, parce mihi, quia peccavi.

            So, I can post in Latin, but not in Greek! Bleeding bloody Papists, I say! TMB, fix your lameness filter, the regex'es have gone beyond the artful.

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            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday September 21 2017, @11:45AM (1 child)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @11:45AM (#571101) Journal

              TMB, fix your lameness filter, the regex'es have gone beyond the artful.

              Inevitable so.
              One cannot fight natural language with regexes without causing collateral damage, no matter how much The Never-Wrong Miny Buzzguard you are.

              The wise reaction would have been to not react in any way beyond the existing modding guidelines***

              The way it is now, I'm highly tempted to step in the shoes of DN only to defeat the regexes - the UNICODE is big... nay... yuuuge in what can offer. I bet a "professional" written regex (causing minimal collateral damage) would reach tens of kilobytes easily - that is, absolutely unmaintainable.

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              *** you know, TMB? it's not too late to cut the crap and drop the entire idea of lameness filter all together... I never had problem with via-gra and p3nis enlargmnt here. Be rational, what good that lameness filter is for?

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @03:35PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @03:35PM (#571189)

                But but but his work of art!!!

                "No, No" saythe the lame buzzbrained and he is never wrong.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:48PM (1 child)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:48PM (#571236) Journal

              Oh for fuck's sake, his stupid fucking regex filters block Greek now?!

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:07PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:07PM (#571294)

                That's right - no fudge packing on Soylent!

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:41AM (24 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:41AM (#571032) Journal
      I see the effort to leave [soylentnews.org] SN is in full swing. I recognize this dysfunction as I've seen it over and over. Don't you ever get tired of trying to get yourself banned from yet another forum? We won't respect you more for being a public nuisance.
      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:49AM (23 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:49AM (#571033) Journal

        I love you too, khallow, and I treasure of somewhat intellectual debates, but I have to admit, I have never been banned from any forum prior to this. And I do not intend to be banned from SoylentNews. On the other hand, the SoylentNews may collapse of the contradiction of its own principles. Remains to be seen.

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        • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:15AM (20 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:15AM (#571039) Journal

          and I treasure of somewhat intellectual debates

          Too bad the feeling isn't mutual. You've been an anti-intellectual nuisance for a long time. Socrates had a point behind his prodding and nettling. When will you have a point behind yours?

          but I have to admit, I have never been banned from any forum prior to this

          Needless to say, I don't believe it.

          On the other hand, the SoylentNews may collapse of the contradiction of its own principles.

          Reminds me of how certain critics don't care in the least about the hypocrisy of the blatantly immoral, but get bent out of shape over slight imperfections of those who try to be moral. We can work with the slight imperfections of SN rather merely accept the blatant hypocrisies of major media and community forum sites. But no, certain people like you have to fuck up a good thing.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:01AM (19 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:01AM (#571052) Journal

            Needless to say, I don't believe it.

            The things you do not believe, my rather naive khallow, encompass the whole of your ignorance. You ought to investigate this. I recommend René Descartes [wikipedia.org], he wrote rather nice bit titled Meditations on First Philosophy [uconn.edu]. I do believe that I have never met anyone who would benefit more from a bit of philosophy than yourself, khallow.

              Best regards, aristarchus.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:28AM (18 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:28AM (#571061) Journal
              Perhaps you should follow your own advice then? As you say, you've never met someone more in need.
              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:39AM (17 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:39AM (#571065) Journal

                Are you seriously suggesting that I have not read Monsieur Descartes? Oh, khallow, you are capable of much greater insults than this, and more believable ones! Strive for greatness! As Kant said, "Sapere aude!", although of course it pre-dates him. Education, khallow, a broad and liberal education, it makes the person.

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                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:28PM (16 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:28PM (#571220) Journal

                  Are you seriously suggesting that I have not read Monsieur Descartes?

                  Reading is not understanding. It is merely a precondition. I would also suggest basic material on rhetoric. You shouldn't be so reliant on fallacy-driven argument.

                  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:51PM (15 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:51PM (#571240) Journal

                    And that is a little like the Grand Wizard of the Klan telling people not to be so racist. He's kicking your dumb ass up and down the room like a stoner with a hacky-sack, and he's *laughing as he does it.* Gawwwwd damn, dude, just stop. This is embarrassing to watch.

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                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:12PM (14 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:12PM (#571337) Journal

                      And that is a little like the Grand Wizard of the Klan telling people not to be so racist.

                      Aristarchus has played [soylentnews.org] these game for a while. Argument from ignorance fallacy is a standard tool in his box.

                      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:52PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:52PM (#571365)

                        So what do you claim? Ignorance is argument?

                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:25PM (12 children)

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:25PM (#571382) Journal

                        How is that post an argument from ignorance?

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                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:50PM (11 children)

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:50PM (#571394) Journal

                          The things you do not believe, my rather naive khallow, encompass the whole of your ignorance. You ought to investigate this. I recommend René Descartes [wikipedia.org], he wrote rather nice bit titled Meditations on First Philosophy [uconn.edu]. I do believe that I have never met anyone who would benefit more from a bit of philosophy than yourself, khallow.

                          I suppose it is an ad hominem as well. Let us recall, as usual, there had been nothing to trigger this supposed need for philosophical knowledge except aristarchus posting snippy remarks again.

                          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 22 2017, @03:53AM (10 children)

                            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 22 2017, @03:53AM (#571550) Journal

                            Oh, I disagree. The problem with a lot of hardcore STEM types is a sort of scientism, although not even anything that sophisticated; many of you never spend much time considering meta-cognition, or the accumulation of biases and habits over time. Most of you don't ask yourselves WHY you believe things, or how likely you are to be wrong, outside of "safe" things like your own code, etc.

                            Philosophy is massively important because it forces people to get to the very base of how their minds work. Some of it is like trying to look at the back of your own skull by rolling your eyes back in your head, it's true, but it's a good thing to examine your basic axioms and how you form beliefs.

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                            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday September 22 2017, @09:32AM (8 children)

                              by aristarchus (2645) on Friday September 22 2017, @09:32AM (#571599) Journal

                              Descartes' "method" in the Meditations is one of radical doubt. He says that it behooves everyone, at some point in their life, to sit down and sort out what they actually know is true, and separate it from what they only think is true. When he is done with this himself, not much is left, just some "Cogito, ergo sum". So the suggestion was serious, khallow. Sit down and question what you think you know, examine your assumptions, and, as Oliver Cromwell put it so eloquently, [usf.edu] "... by the bowels of Christ ... bethink you that you may be mistaken."

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                              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday September 22 2017, @08:53PM (7 children)

                                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 22 2017, @08:53PM (#571805) Journal

                                Descartes' "method" in the Meditations is one of radical doubt.

                                Fine. Do it then. Show us how it's done rather than this pointless blather.

                                For me, I don't consider radical doubt useful because it's too easy to veer so far off that even the most basic axioms are in doubt (that includes "I think therefore I am/act" empirical basics). For example, what's the point of considering that the things I hold more or less correct are due solely to an evil deity (who is so clever that we can't observe it much less infer its motives) warping the universe to give a false impression? It's not remotely viable to consider even if it were true.

                                Instead, a superior approach is to consider the consequences of the assumptions from within the system of belief itself. What contradictions or absurd conclusions are reached? If I reach an untenable place from inside the reasoning itself, that's far more damning than some "in this absurdly contrived situation which we couldn't ever observe, it would be wrong". Self-inconsistency is something we can infer and hence, something that philosophy can help us with our reasoning.

                                So here's my take on the situation. A key goal of such philosophical doubt is to help determine inconsistencies in a system of beliefs. I believe these can be divided into three categories: intrinsic inconsistencies, extrinsic empirical inconsistencies, and extrinsic non-empirical inconsistencies. I've already discussed intrinsic inconsistencies and extrinsic non-empirical inconsistencies above. But to be more clear, an intrinsic inconsistency is a contradiction or untenable, absurd situation that comes about due to the logic of the belief system. An extrinsic inconsistency comes about due to conflict with something outside of the belief system. Extrinsic non-empirical inconsistencies are things like an evil deity warping your thought processes so that you think a statement is well-founded when it's actually not. The scenarios can get ridiculously elaborate, and there's no way to perfectly rule them out.

                                Then we come to extrinsic empirical inconsistencies which can happen any time your beliefs rub against the real world. If I assert that the Moon is made purely of green cheese, then an observation that the Moon is not green, would be an inconsistency. I can, of course, modify the assertion. Maybe the Moon is made of gray cheese, or maybe it has a gray-colored rind. Direct observation of Moon rocks would provide further inconsistency with the statement.

                                Thus, observation can generate inconsistencies. And depending on the degree of inconsistency (for example, it might be a manifestation of an intrinsic inconsistency as the belief system is applied to the real world or it might be due to a too simple model that doesn't adequately cover complexity in the real world case as commonly happens with economic models), that might or might not threaten the viability of the theory rather than merely require modification.

                                In particular, aristarchus saying that I'm wrong or that I need to read a certain treatise (merely to imply that I'm ignorant, if I don't), is not an inconsistency and hence, not a challenge to my beliefs.

                                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday September 22 2017, @10:19PM (6 children)

                                  by aristarchus (2645) on Friday September 22 2017, @10:19PM (#571855) Journal

                                  Snowflake alert! I only regret, khallow, that you cannot default mod my posts any lower than you can. Unfortunately, you may end up reading some of what I write. Oh, you do not know what "empirical" means, in an epistemological sense.

                                  For example, what's the point of considering that the things I hold more or less correct are due solely to an evil deity (who is so clever that we can't observe it much less infer its motives) warping the universe to give a false impression? It's not remotely viable to consider even if it were true.

                                  Except, my dear and fluffy khallow, some do know it is true, and the evil genie that has gotten ahold of your thinkings is the Vienna Circle. There really is only one question, khallow, "What is the Matrix?" Empirical, you say? Interesting.

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                                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 23 2017, @12:09AM (5 children)

                                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 23 2017, @12:09AM (#571909) Journal

                                    Oh, you do not know what "empirical" means, in an epistemological sense.

                                    And one of your other well-used fallacies, argument by assertion. Your reasoning is and always has been deeply broken. Hence, my earlier call for a study of basic rhetoric.

                                    Except, my dear and fluffy khallow, some do know it is true, and the evil genie that has gotten ahold of your thinkings is the Vienna Circle. There really is only one question, khallow, "What is the Matrix?" Empirical, you say? Interesting.

                                    The obvious rebuttal is that you don't know what you can't know.

                                    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday September 23 2017, @12:21AM (4 children)

                                      by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday September 23 2017, @12:21AM (#571912) Journal

                                      I know you are, but what am I?

                                      Your reasoning is and always has been deeply broken. Hence, my earlier call for a study of basic rhetoric.

                                      Ad hominem is all you got? khallow, I am deeply disappointed in you. And basic rhetoric? You do know I am Greek? We invented rhetoric, rhetoric is a Greek word, in fact. You are failing to convince even yourself here.

                                      The obvious rebuttal is that you don't know what you can't know.

                                      Oh, great, now people will have to start drinking. Does the use of your signature phrase mean you have been triggered? Well the obvious rejoinder is that just because you don't know something, that does not entail that you cannot know it. A little effort, eh. Like this concept of "property" and the notion of "desert", where do these come from? But, I can see you are tired, and a bit miffed. So take a break, khallow. You do not have to answer every post that points out your ideological intentional ignorance.

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                                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 23 2017, @01:33AM (3 children)

                                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 23 2017, @01:33AM (#571931) Journal

                                        Well the obvious rejoinder is that just because you don't know something, that does not entail that you cannot know it.

                                        That's a case of the straw man fallacy. I didn't make such a claim. Recall that you asserted people "know" things without having a basis for that knowledge. I am of the opinion that such a basis can only be obtained from either internal reasoning or external observation of reality.

                                        Like this concept of "property" and the notion of "desert", where do these come from?

                                        Our attempts to make sense of the world. This is knowledge you can know, because you can observe both the usage of the terms and the situations that the terms are employed in. And in the real world, that's how children learn the use of these terms. Further, this is an example of the red herring fallacy since these concepts are irrelevant to my post about evil deities faking reality, a scenario which is not made more or less likely, for example, by our use of the term, "desert" or the eating traditions that "desert" labels.

                                        You do not have to answer every post that points out your ideological intentional ignorance.

                                        Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Accusing someone without a shred of evidence is weaker than "pointing out". A Perl script which happens to post accusations of "ideological intentional ignorance" of random people on SN would have just as much information content as your posts do and be as useful.

                                        This is also an example of fallacy of presupposition since as noted above, you haven't bothered, ever, to establish a basis for the accusation. Notice the pattern here - three fallacies in a small post.

                                        Oh, great, now people will have to start drinking.

                                        I use this term to indicate that someone has ignored something obvious. Hence, the "obvious rebuttal" which you should have seen coming. A real philosopher would anticipate it rather than come up with yet more logical and rhetorical fallacies after the fact. Sure, the term is insulting, but it is deserved in this case.

                                        I am continually reminded of the tragedy/farce here. Someone who went through the effort of choosing a name of a philosopher they apparently admired, yet they can't do rudimentary philosophical debate. It has to be one of the larger anti-climaxes of SN.

                                        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday September 23 2017, @08:55AM (2 children)

                                          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday September 23 2017, @08:55AM (#572045) Journal

                                          C'mon, khallow! Thou dost protest too much!

                                          I use this term to indicate that someone has ignored something obvious. Hence, the "obvious rebuttal" which you should have seen coming. A real philosopher would anticipate it rather than come up with yet more logical and rhetorical fallacies after the fact. Sure, the term is insulting, but it is deserved in this case.

                                          I am bothered that you doubt my claim to be the actual aristarchus of Samos, with no evidence at all. Your claim of empiricism fails you. And the "obvious rebuttal" has become a meme here on SoylentNews precisely because it is khallow bringing up something that is by no means obvious. Do you think we would all be playing drinking games based on your intellectual tics, if we thought they were at all well founded?

                                          But here is where it truly hurts:

                                          I am continually reminded of the tragedy/farce here. Someone who went through the effort of choosing a name of a philosopher they apparently admired, yet they can't do rudimentary philosophical debate.

                                          Continually, eh? Then you should be able to cite the locus originalis of this saying! Ah, it was a famous philosopher, German, and you accuse me of being a fake? I am sorry, khallow, but the more you carry on these discussions, the more you expose yourself as an intellectual fraud. You do not know what you are talking about, and it has become more than apparent to everyone but yourself that you have no idea what I am talking about. But, you know, I am willing to continue the dialogue. I will call you names, but only deserved ones.
                                          And, it does not matter what you say about me, because it really is simply obvious to everyone that you are not familiar with the pertinent documents of western, or any, civilization. So, Descartes, Mediations,

                                          1. Animadverti jam ante aliquot annos quàm multa, ineunte aetate, falsa pro veris admiserim, & quàm dubia sint quaecunque istis postea superextruxi, ac proinde funditus omnia semel in vitâ esse evertenda, atque a primis fundamentis denuo inchoandum, si quid aliquando firmum & mansurum cupiam in scientiis stabilire; sed ingens opus esse videbatur, eamque aetatem expectabam, quae foret tam matura, ut capessendis disciplinis aptior nulla sequeretur. Quare tamdiu cunctatus sum ut deinceps essem in culpâ, si quod temporis superest ad agendum, deliberando consumerem. Opportune igitur hodie mentem curis omnibus exsolvi, securum mihi otium procuravi, solus secedo, seriò tandem & libere generali huic mearum opinionum eversioni vacabo.

                                          That is just the beginning. Meditate upon it, if you have the time or the ability.

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                                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 23 2017, @12:53PM (1 child)

                                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 23 2017, @12:53PM (#572087) Journal
                                            Ok, so much for that. Let's change subject. What's your opinion on my classification of inconsistency?
                                            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday September 25 2017, @09:09AM

                                              by aristarchus (2645) on Monday September 25 2017, @09:09AM (#572596) Journal

                                              Let's not, and instead mediate on the nature of property rights. Are they features of the nature world that we can perceive and verify empirically? Or are the fictions of law, where we have to go to court to find out where they lie? And in either case, are they part of what it means to be a sovereign individual self-consciousness, or are they only allocated to serve the greater good? Really, when Marx has a commodity spin about on its head claiming it possesses intrinsic worth, well, that is not far from saying property rights are god, or nature, given. But of course, there is no such thing as property, there is only tax liability.

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                            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday September 22 2017, @05:40PM

                              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 22 2017, @05:40PM (#571715) Journal

                              Oh, I disagree. The problem with a lot of hardcore STEM types is a sort of scientism, although not even anything that sophisticated; many of you never spend much time considering meta-cognition, or the accumulation of biases and habits over time. Most of you don't ask yourselves WHY you believe things, or how likely you are to be wrong, outside of "safe" things like your own code, etc.

                              I have. I find it remarkable how people think platitudes should change peoples' opinions. As I noted to other repliers, if I haven't thought much about such things and am merely stubborn, this isn't going to do much to make me budge. It doesn't make me self-examine anything. But if I have thought deeply about such things, then what's a few empty words going to do? Rationality doesn't mean changing one's mind every five minutes just because someone posted.

                              Same goes for jmorris. He didn't stumble into his beliefs last weekend. I don't expect any of us to fundamentally change them over years, much less with a few words in a throwaway post.

                              As to scientism, I'm a hardcore empiricist. If your philosophy is correct, it will be reflected in reality.

                              Philosophy is massively important because it forces people to get to the very base of how their minds work. Some of it is like trying to look at the back of your own skull by rolling your eyes back in your head, it's true, but it's a good thing to examine your basic axioms and how you form beliefs. And of course, the reason you bring this is up doesn't have anything to do with the fact that my beliefs disagree with yours, right? I notice that aristarchus's pep talks about philosophical reflection only come when aristarchus disagrees with, or perhaps merely wishes to insult, someone as I discussed in a previous link. It's just ad hominem/argument from ignorance fallacies dressed up with no useful substance.

                              Further, axioms and then beliefs aren't really how people do this. They generally try to derive axioms that consistently generate the beliefs they want. Note in the "Meditations on First Philosophy", Descartes went to considerable effort to rationalize what he was going to believe anyway. He decided to believe in God even though he had gone nowhere on that particular front with his "Meditations" (except perhaps to rule out a certain class of evil Gods). Of philosophy, the best we can ask for is that the beliefs are self-consistent up to a fair effort of testing (perfect self-consistency is impossible to prove for a sufficiently complex axiom system). Past that, it's futile. One set of self-consistent axioms is the same as another, philosophically.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:17PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:17PM (#571300)

          That's right, I joined in the partisan sniping, and awarded Aristarchus four troll mods in a row. More are warranted, but being mod banned kinda sucks . . .

          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday September 23 2017, @08:59AM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday September 23 2017, @08:59AM (#572046) Journal

            Beware, when you fight monsters, lest you become one yourself. aristarchus will welcome you to the realm of the mod-banned! And remember, while we are on Nietzsche, "when you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you." HI! AC! Did I scare you?

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:13AM (6 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@soylentnews.org> on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:13AM (#571087) Homepage Journal

      Who you calling a millennial?

      It's been dealt with and you're not getting a user name of the moderator. Encouraging petty vendettas is not our business round these parts. Moderations are going to remain anonymous unless the moderator chooses to discuss them publicly.

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      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:26AM (2 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:26AM (#571090) Journal

        Could you at least let me know the geographical area of the ip address? I would hate to nuke the wrong area by mistake! Or maybe some hint about where the modder ranks on the "people who downmod most" , as you have done for me? Or more pertinently for this Fine Article: Was it a Christian? Or a Pagan? Or a Muslin? Or, god forbid, a Pastifarian? Be in any case, dude, lighten up, or rather tighten up, on the regex. You have lameness filtered me from posting in my own language, and that is just, well, racist.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:12PM (#571295)

          It's somewhere in North Korea - but don't tell anyone that I told you!!

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 22 2017, @01:05AM

          No. I don't know the IP address myself. We hide it from ourselves with a one-way hash. Yeah, I could probably rainbow table it up but I'm not going to.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:44PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:44PM (#571313)

        As an outsider to this whole debate, I personally think the spam mod should in no way be anonymous. It is far too powerful to allow its use in secret. By all means, keep the other mods secret, but give the usrenames of anyone who uses the spam mod.

        If a post is truly spam the user who mods it as such has absolutely nothing to worry about by having their name attached to it. Oh, look, DN posted his nonsense again and Runaway1956 got to it first with a spam mod. Hey, look, affiliate links, and this time it was khallow that saw it first. See? Nobody cares. If it wasn't anonymous it would be far less likely to be abused.

        Only those who abuse the spam mod would want it to stay secret, and you seem hell-bent on making sure it stays that way. Kinda makes one wonder...

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:55PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:55PM (#571396) Journal
          I disagree. Look at the abuse aristarchus is heaping on administrators for just running SN. He'll be sure to do the same to anyone else that he can get information for.

          If a post is truly spam the user who mods it as such has absolutely nothing to worry about by having their name attached to it. Oh, look, DN posted his nonsense again and Runaway1956 got to it first with a spam mod. Hey, look, affiliate links, and this time it was khallow that saw it first. See? Nobody cares. If it wasn't anonymous it would be far less likely to be abused.

          Except getting harassed by the sociopaths of the internet.

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:59PM

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:59PM (#571400) Journal

          ^^ This! This is the kind of post that I most sincerely regret not having the ability to mod up! Spam mods should be public, a badge of honor that other Soylentils would praise and respect, and even envy! And this would preclude their being used for "disagree". That is what anonymous "troll" mods are for.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:13PM (#571296)

      Funny? If you think Aristarchus whining is funny, you should ask your doctor for some hemorrhoids.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:28AM (28 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:28AM (#571025) Journal

    Ahoy. Spam mod is undeserved in this context, according to the rules [soylentnews.org]
    Call him a whinger, mod it Disagree, Flamebait, Troll if you so consider, but it is not spam.

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    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:15AM (27 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:15AM (#571038) Journal

      Wow, again, spam mod rescinded? But still, who threw it, and are they, like yours truly, subject to a month in the desert, banned from modding at all? Could we see a Hall of Fame of Nig**** Spam Modders? Maybe with recension rates, number and duration of mod bans, number of IP bans, number of regex attempted bans? Well, no harm done, as in we are no worse off right now. But the irritable spam mod syndrome is still a danger to the site. We should ask our doctor about this.

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      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:26AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:26AM (#571041) Journal

        number of IP bans

        IP bans won't work. At least not without dropping the onion from the bacon [soylentnews.org] (never tested it, actually. I hope it's still an option).

        Which means whatever person tries to demonstrate there is a mean to spam S/N without being punish wastes her/his time: we already know that.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by FatPhil on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:45AM (25 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:45AM (#571046) Homepage
        I love how after complaining about an unfair spam mod you're also capable of complaining when that moderation is rectified. Is there anything you won't complain about.
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        I know I'm God, because every time I pray to him, I find I'm talking to myself.
        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:54AM (24 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:54AM (#571047) Journal

          I really wish Phil was more svelte, and maybe even a little buff. But that is just me. So, no reveal on who threw the mod? No judgment on their punishment? No transparency and no free speech? Some things, my slightly fluffy Phil, are worth complaining about. I only have the well being of this site at heart, though I fear it is too late. Ferking Nazis.

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          "Believe it or not, your opinion on this topic is really not necessary,"
          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by FatPhil on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:21AM (23 children)

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:21AM (#571058) Homepage
            The perp will get a slap. It might be a small slap, it might be a bigger slap, depending on whether this is seen as an aberration, or a deliberate abuse. This is the system working as it should. And whilst it works as it should, the gritty details do not need to be exposed. There's no more need for egregious spam moders to have their pseudo-identities made public, shame is not the punishment for such offences, and anonymity of moderators will be preserved. You may have been a *temporary* victim of this offence, but you have no skin in the game otherwise, that wrong has been righted, it's now a matter between the gods and the sinner. And quit your wining - you ended up with a free "underrated" mod that you no longer need.

            Oh, where does your claim of "no free speech" come from? We permit you to post an endless stream of whinging and whining here.
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            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:34AM (22 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:34AM (#571063) Journal

              Six times in a fortnight is hardly temporary, FatPhil. I detect a rather vast right-wing conspiracy, as some would say, to spam mod me. Justice is all I ask for! I ask the same for khallow, though he is less deserving.

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              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 21 2017, @01:32PM (19 children)

                by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @01:32PM (#571138) Journal

                It must be because Halloween is coming up. Or everybody is PMS'ing at the same time. Trolling has mounted lately. Is it a JTRIG assault? Are we Soylentils getting too close to the truth? Have they determined we must be silenced? Is it too much of a threat that jmorris, aristarchus, khallow, Azuma, frojack, Runaway, Thexalon spar with each other peacably in some sort of unholy communion? Are they afraid that we challenge the incipient civil war they have so carefully designed?

                Everybody take a deep breath. Soylent is a fractious and weird community, but it will hold together.

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                Washington DC delenda est.
                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:58PM (18 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:58PM (#571247) Journal

                  What fucking civil war? I fight for no one but me. I see bullshit, I cut it down. And for the record, we have J-Mo constantly spewing alt-reich talking points and no one goddammit calls him out on it but me, it seems. This place has a serious RWNJ problem, not helped by the fact that one of the editorial/managerial staff is a fellow-traveler with that sort.

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                  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:29PM (6 children)

                    by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:29PM (#571273) Journal

                    I was referring to the civil war between the red team and the blue team that the lizard people have been preparing for quite some time, not a civil war on SN.

                    It's good you cut down bullshit. Everyone should, no matter the source. Reflexive talking points are especially deserving of challenge. None of us should use them, because it reduces meaningful discourse to idiocy in an ever tightening feedback loop.

                    You're not the only one challenging Soylentils from a different part of the ideological spectrum. You have compatriots. I will say I admire your ability to agree with those same people when they say things you can agree with. That's always tough to do, but these days especially so. What you do keeps the door for productive conversation and collective reconciliation open. FWIW, I root for you whether you're challenging a point or agreeing on one.

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                    Washington DC delenda est.
                    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:14PM (5 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:14PM (#571297) Journal

                      Thanks...that helps so much to hear, you have no idea. I've always, always been alone, fighting by myself, so it helps to know it's not just me versus the void...

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                      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:38PM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:38PM (#571389)

                        I'm in the mix too! But I like forcing TMB to use his shady tactics to unmask me, make him face his true nature. Pretty sure I push back against jmo/jlo/jmoustache (I think I like the last one, mild overtones of Hitler worship there) more than you Azuma :)

                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 22 2017, @03:50AM

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 22 2017, @03:50AM (#571549) Journal

                          But who are you? Posting as AC means you could be anyone or several anyones, and the only way to know for sure would be to be an admin who can see the IPs. And even then, an IP doesn't necessarily correlate to a single person.

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                          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by turgid on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:06PM

                        by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:06PM (#571404) Journal

                        The world is in a very strange place just now. History is rhyming with some very unpleasant periods from the past. Part of the Alt-Wrong's modus operandi is to DoS us with constant and seemingly unstoppable stream of misinformation, hatred, intolerance, stupidity, willful ignorance, history and science denial, you name it.

                      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 22 2017, @08:38AM (1 child)

                        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Friday September 22 2017, @08:38AM (#571593) Homepage
                        I disagree with you a fair bunch of the time and agree with you a fair bunch of the time - this makes you much more interesting than the people I either almost always disagree or agree with, it's a sign that you do have a genuinely interesting point of view either founded on different precepts than my own, but often heading towards similar conclusions, or founded on the same precepts as my own, but often heading towards different conclusions. Or both.

                        You'll be dismayed to hear that you're sharing a tent with Buzz...
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                        I know I'm God, because every time I pray to him, I find I'm talking to myself.
                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 22 2017, @05:34PM

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 22 2017, @05:34PM (#571711) Journal

                          Hell no I'm not sharing a tent with him. Incidentally anything he might say about snakes, scorpions, or similar wee beasties in his sleeping bag has naught to do with me :)

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                          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:33PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:33PM (#571424) Journal

                    we have J-Mo constantly spewing alt-reich talking points and no one goddammit calls him out on it but me, it seems.

                    He gets dogpiled all the time. But like everyone else here, he isn't always wrong. And part of the point of a place like this is learning how to deal with people with different viewpoints.

                  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 22 2017, @02:10AM (9 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 22 2017, @02:10AM (#571526) Homepage Journal

                    From the perspective of a LWNJ, damned near everyone is a RWNJ.

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                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 22 2017, @03:48AM (5 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 22 2017, @03:48AM (#571547) Journal

                      Well, yes, but how many unreconstructed Marxists have you ever run into? I've never met one. On the other hand, from the perspective of a sane, normal, decent person, pretty much everyone who thinks like you is a RWNJ.

                      (Translation: "no u" doesn't work. Especially when it's a false equivalents. Step up your game, you pathetic whinging cuck.)

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                      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 22 2017, @02:18PM (4 children)

                        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 22 2017, @02:18PM (#571644) Homepage Journal

                        Step up my game? Alright, you're getting boring, so I no longer want to adopt you. I'm going to let the grandkids keep their ugly four legged critters that they call "horses" in there instead.

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                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 22 2017, @05:32PM (2 children)

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 22 2017, @05:32PM (#571710) Journal

                          I said step up, not down. Maybe you're not cut out for this...

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                          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 23 2017, @01:09AM (1 child)

                            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 23 2017, @01:09AM (#571922) Homepage Journal

                            Now you're sounding like my mother. She always expected me to "be nice to the kids who aren't so bright". I just didn't have time to hang with the little retards.

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                            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 24 2017, @09:21PM

                              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday September 24 2017, @09:21PM (#572456) Journal

                              That may be the single most revealing comment you've ever made about yourself :) Thanks for doing my work for me, Runaway. Now everyone can see you're the complete, self-centered asshole I've been ranting that you were for years.

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                              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 23 2017, @09:02AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 23 2017, @09:02AM (#572048)

                          so I no longer want to adopt you.

                          You know, Runaway, this does nothing to stop the rest of us from wanting to euthanize you. Just because you ought to know.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @07:17AM (2 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @07:17AM (#571588)

                      From the perspective of a LWNJ,

                      Alright, let me guess: "Longshoreman's Wharf in New Jersey"?

                      "Leatherneck Wombat Niederschticker Jaeger"?

                      "Long-time World Noodling Jock"?

                      "Lone Wolf Rightwing Terrorist"? (yes, the letters don't match, but that's to throw of the FBI!)

                      Or:
                      "Lameass Wise-ass Never-went-to-college Jackass"?

                      I like that last one best.

                      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 22 2017, @02:15PM (1 child)

                        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 22 2017, @02:15PM (#571642) Homepage Journal

                        You can't really be serious, but LWNJ is Left Wing Nut Job, and RWNJ is, naturally enough, Right Wing Nut Job. Of course, LWNJ is used very commonly. You're far more likely to hear "batfuck crazy".

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                        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 23 2017, @09:06AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 23 2017, @09:06AM (#572049)

                          Oh, but an AC can always be serious. You, on the other hand, in your full-on right-wing nut-job Faux News Hillbilly of Ignorance mode, seriously, you cannot be serious? No one can be that stupid, right? Hello? Runaway? Can you hear reality? . . . . .. . . Blurp.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @12:14AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @12:14AM (#571484)

                Six times in a fortnight is hardly temporary, FatPhil. I detect a rather vast right-wing conspiracy, as some would say, to spam mod me.

                Have you considered as the culprit bots?

                (beep, boop)

                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday September 22 2017, @12:18AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Friday September 22 2017, @12:18AM (#571486) Journal

                  No. Bots, being machines, are a collective, and so communisitic. Besides, all the bots seem to be after fustakrakreich.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:19PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @06:19PM (#571302)

    And, Aristarchus still bitching. Some things never change.

    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:02PM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 21 2017, @09:02PM (#571401) Journal

      I am getting sick and tired of all these people whining about my complaining! Just cut it out, already, and stay on topic!

      Isn't Meade a major purveyor of astronomical instruments? Any chance this wacko numerologist is related?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:31PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:31PM (#571386)

    What are DNs?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:34PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @08:34PM (#571387)

      Never mind. I realized that it refers to the "dick n*****s" troll.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @02:20AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @02:20AM (#571530)

    Staff, can we get a "-3 whiny bitch" moderation? You could fix it so that the whiny bitch get's a crying emoticon beside his name.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @06:09AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @06:09AM (#571576)

      No, AC, you cannot. Now shut the fuck up and get back in your cage. It applies the lotion, or it gets the hose again! You do not want the hose again, do you AC?