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posted by mrpg on Wednesday October 11 2017, @06:05PM   Printer-friendly
from the took-way-too-long dept.

"A Utah police officer [Jeff Payne] who was caught on video roughly handcuffing a nurse because she refused to allow a blood draw was fired Tuesday in a case that became a flashpoint in the ongoing national conversation about police use of force."

Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department.

Attorney Greg Skordas has said Payne served the department well for nearly three decades and questioned whether his behavior warranted termination. He couldn't immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.

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Utah cop fired after arresting nurse who wouldn't draw blood
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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Wednesday October 11 2017, @06:22PM (8 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday October 11 2017, @06:22PM (#580654) Journal

    I don't believe he violated 'department policy': he was trying to get the nurse to break the law with violating the persons rights without a warrant?

    He was trying to intimidate her and coerce her into doing what he wanted AGAINST THE LAW OF WHAT WAS ALLOWED.

    "Payne served the department well for nearly three decades and questioned whether his behavior warranted termination"

    If he'd only been there a week, would you question it?

    How about a month. Six months. A year. 5 years. 10 years.

    He was trying to intimidate her and coerce her into doing what he wanted AGAINST THE LAW OF WHAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO DO.

    Yes, he should be fired: he was supposed to uphold the law, NOT BREAK IT.

    Let's say he was caught robbing a liquor store: should he keep his job?

    He is a violent, controlling cop: yes, he should be fired.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Wednesday October 11 2017, @07:19PM (3 children)

    by frojack (1554) on Wednesday October 11 2017, @07:19PM (#580718) Journal

    /best Paul Carrack voice: "How Long has this been going on".

    False arrest is itself a crime no?

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    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday October 11 2017, @07:31PM

      by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday October 11 2017, @07:31PM (#580730) Journal

      YAH! THAT TOOOOO!!!!

      (in my Gilbert Gottfried voice)

      :)

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:30AM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:30AM (#580925) Journal

      I didn't have to browse far to find the post I wanted to make.

      Merely fired? Where are the charges for false arrest? That limited immunity crap has got to be examined, and clarified. In effect, the "limited" immunity has been turned into unlimited immunity. Cops can literally murder a citizen, and they get a few days paid leave? FFS, things are seriously wrong!

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:35AM

        by TheGratefulNet (659) on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:35AM (#580928)

        on a lot of social media, you'll often see a graphic of a cop with the words "I'm going to kick your ass; and get away with it."

        this is what we have become.

        and yet, we continue to praise cops, give them the benefit of the doubt and NEVER punish them like they would be punished if they weren't in blue costumes.

        make them liable like we are; if we break the law, it comes down hard on us. give them the same fear and watch how things change overnight.

        nah, will never happen. too many people are brainwashed to 'trust authority'. ie, repuglicans and other misguided moron.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by requerdanos on Wednesday October 11 2017, @11:20PM (2 children)

    by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 11 2017, @11:20PM (#580843) Journal

    Yes, he should be fired: he was supposed to uphold the law, NOT BREAK IT.

    I don't much care whether he's fired or not--what he did if sanctioned by the department of cops was "arrest with subsequent evaluation and release." But if not sanctioned by the department of cops (and it was, but shouldn't have been), it's assault and kidnapping, and he should live out his natural life underneath a nice prison somewhere. At the very least.

    If you or I had done such a thing, there would be no question: assault and kidnapping. But since he is a "cop" who committed assault and kidnapping, we are sitting here bickering about whether he should go scot free and be fired, or go scot free and not be fired. The answer is NEITHER, because he should be in prison, and whether he is also fired seems irrelevant to me, with all due respect.

    Let's say he was caught robbing a liquor store: should he keep his job?

    What does that have to do with it? I don't care if his employers are dumb enough to keep paying him or not. But if he's still free after assault and kidnapping, and he robs a liquor store, he should go to prison for armed robbery.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @01:02AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @01:02AM (#580885)

      If you or I had done such a thing, there would be no question: assault and kidnapping. But since he is a "cop" who committed assault and kidnapping, we are sitting here bickering about whether he should go scot free and be fired, or go scot free and not be fired. The answer is NEITHER, because he should be in prison

      Damned. Straight.

    • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:51AM

      by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:51AM (#580963)

      I agree completely. It's ridiculous that police get away with using violent force like this, and when they're grossly wrong, the worst they have to worry about is losing their cushy paycheck and having to find another department to hire them, or maybe downgrading to working mall security. Kidnapping is a huge felony, and this asshole should be prosecuted for it.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:27PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:27PM (#581164) Journal
    Let's also keep in mind why he did that. The poor comatose sap in question was the victim of an accident involving a suspect actively pursued by police. If the police could have evidence, real or manufactured, that the victim had illicit drugs or alcohol in his blood, that would greatly reduce the liability from the coming lawsuits. Given how quickly he illegally abused this nurse, I think it quite clear that he was willing to fake evidence as well to frame the victim (it's just another crime after this one). And no, he probably didn't think of that scheme all by himself.

    The icing on the cake is that the coma victim was a police officer as well. This case might not go higher up the food chain, but you won't find a clearer case of the harm that police corruption causes. They're even willing to eat their own.