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posted by Fnord666 on Monday March 26 2018, @06:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the subtitles-provided-by-no-one dept.

Submitted via IRC for SoyCow3941

The founder of a site that provided fan-created subtitles has lost his appeal against a conviction for copyright infringement. In 2017 a Swedish court found that the unauthorized distribution of movie subtitles is a crime, sentencing the then 32-year-old to probation and a fine. The Court of Appeal has now largely upheld that earlier verdict.

Source: https://torrentfreak.com/founder-of-fan-made-subtitle-site-lose-copyright-infringement-appeal-180318/


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @07:57PM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @07:57PM (#658622)

    All he had to do was pitch the project to the rights holders.

    Instead, he thumbed his nose at them and said "Come at me, bro."

    Civilized society demands mutual association, not imposition. Get agreement before you act. It's that simple, comrade.

  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Monday March 26 2018, @08:18PM (10 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Monday March 26 2018, @08:18PM (#658631) Journal

    And how much are you willing to pay to provide these subtitles?
    You can't expect the rights holders to distribute your stuff for *free*, or let you dsitribute your stuff for free!

    --
    "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:29PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:29PM (#658637)

      Those subtitles are in demand because the content is in demand.

      Those subtitles are only possible because there is existing content from which the subtitles can be almost mindlessly crafted.

      Strike a deal, or fuck off. What don't you get about that? WHAT DON'T YOU GET?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:39PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:39PM (#658643)

        "almost mindlessly crafted"

        I would say the same thing about how your parents made you :P

        You are in violation of the Shared Property Act which makes you my de facto slave. Thank GOD we live in a civilized society!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:45PM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:45PM (#658648)

          Thanks for playing.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:51PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @08:51PM (#658652)

            Not playing, this isn't a game. I understand your "logic" and I can see how legally this decision is the correct one, however it is still really stupid and is not the correct way forward for society.

            Thanks for making the world worse, even if it is just one opinion on a small site.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @09:03PM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @09:03PM (#658662)

              Property rights allow people to live-and-let-live, and they allow good stewards of society's resources to be found through voluntary interaction.

              How is that not a good idea for the foundation of society?

              Pray tell, what is the better direction? Pray tell!

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @10:01PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @10:01PM (#658676)

                Property rights are definitely essential at this point in time, but we do need to put the brakes on copyright lifetimes along with much improved fair use laws.

                God I hate your "evolve / find" rationale for human society. The current system has corporations buying out all IP that becomes popular and locking it away. Our shared culture thus becomes stewarded by greedy shitbags who want to profit forever while doing little to no original work.

                "Good stewards" lolol. Right now the current mindset is use up all the resources with zero plan on sustainability. Get with it sucka! Arguably the capitalist system has us on a collision course with ecological collapse and potential extinction, but hey that is #fakenews or tech will magically save us somehow. I abhor your limited viewpoint that pretends to have the best answers, but I will not be arrogant enough to say I have THE answer, only suggestions as to better directions to take.

                • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @10:59PM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @10:59PM (#658691)

                  Yeah, well, God I hate your complete inability to perceive that you're railing against anti-Capitalism rather than Capitalism.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @11:19PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @11:19PM (#658701)

                    Nope, such absolute property rights are the basis of capitalism. I don't advocate pure communism nor pure capitalism. Your inability to see beyond the ideological version of capitalism is the problem here. The Earth and its resources are finite, pure capitalism would only work if every single human had the same exact option to create competing industries. Many people think they could do better, but much of humanity's capital is licked away in private coffers.

                    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday March 27 2018, @06:30PM

                      by Arik (4543) on Tuesday March 27 2018, @06:30PM (#659077) Journal
                      The reification of imaginary property is not capitalism, it's a con game.
                      --
                      If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
    • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @02:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @02:59AM (#658773)

      Those subtitles are in demand because the content is in demand.

      Those subtitles are only possible because there is existing content from which the subtitles can be almost mindlessly crafted.

      Strike a deal, or fuck off. What don't you get about that? WHAT DON'T YOU GET?

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Monday March 26 2018, @09:55PM (7 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Monday March 26 2018, @09:55PM (#658674) Journal
    "the rights holders."

    That would be all of us. Human rights, you may have heard the phrase?

    The idea that only big corporations have rights, and the practice of calling their privileges 'rights,' need to be rejected. Instead you've clearly swallowed them whole.

    You'll get what you deserve, but the rest of us don't deserve to have to share it with you.
    --
    If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @11:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2018, @11:01PM (#658694)

      Or do only savages think a person's sexual tissues should be off limits to other people's knives?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @03:05AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @03:05AM (#658777)

      Or do only savages think a person's sexual tissues should be off limits to other people's knives?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @03:50AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @03:50AM (#658791)

        You're not the only hardline individualist/right-to-life-above-all-else advocate out here, as I've explained to you before. Posts at -1 are NOT "censored", and even if you stubbornly and incorrectly disagree, more -1, Spam mods will not help your situation.

        Please stop spamming your posts when authoritarians mod them down.

        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @04:02AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27 2018, @04:02AM (#658800)

          If that's the default, then I define that as censorship.

          So... suck my intact cock.

          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday March 27 2018, @06:23PM

            by Arik (4543) on Tuesday March 27 2018, @06:23PM (#659072) Journal
            For some strange reason you chose to post this to me, multiple times. I don't hide any messages, regardless of score. So, at least insofar as myself, apparently the intended reader, moderation will have no effect on me seeing your comment.

            I'm not ignoring it because I don't see it, I'm ignoring it because it seems senseless and off-topic.
            --
            If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday March 27 2018, @01:41PM (1 child)

      by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday March 27 2018, @01:41PM (#658960) Journal

      From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author."

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday March 27 2018, @06:20PM

        by Arik (4543) on Tuesday March 27 2018, @06:20PM (#659070) Journal
        "the Universal Declaration of Human Rights"

        A document that gets off to a good start and deliberately goes completely off the rails by the end.

        Sad, that.
        --
        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?