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posted by martyb on Tuesday September 18 2018, @11:45PM   Printer-friendly
from the Leaked-leaks? dept.

WikiLeaks founder sought Russian visa in 2010, per AP report

The Associated Press has published a cache of 10 documents that it says are part of a leaked "larger trove of WikiLeaks emails, chat logs, financial records, secretly recorded footage, and other documents." AP reporter Raphael Satter declined to elaborate as to how much more material the AP had or why that material was not being released now.

Among those documents is a purported November 30, 2010 effort by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to seek a Russian visa via its London consulate. That's just a week before Assange surrendered to British authorities who sought him for questioning on behalf of Swedish prosecutors who wanted him on allegations of sexual misconduct. By June 2012, Assange had entered the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where he has remained since. Assange has denied any wrongdoing in the Swedish case.

[...] This cache adds intrigue to WikiLeaks' and Assange's ongoing saga. Numerous media outlets reported early last month that Assange's days in the embassy are numbered and that the Ecuadorian authorities could boot him soon. "The files provide both an intimate look at the radical transparency organization and an early hint of Assange's budding relationship with Moscow," Satter wrote.

[...] For its part, WikiLeaks responded shortly after the Associated Press story went live on Monday morning by suggesting that, at a minimum, the visa application document was false, tweeting at numerous media outlets:

Mr. Assange did not apply for such a visa at any time or author the document. The source is document fabricator & paid FBI informant Sigurdur Thordarson who was sentenced to prison for fabricating docs impersonating Assange, multiple frauds & pedophilllia. https://t.co/xzMfhctFx4

Related: Ecuador Reportedly Almost Ready to Hand Julian Assange Over to UK Authorities


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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:13AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:13AM (#736835)

    With that many ells, it must be a serious crime.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:27AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:27AM (#736838)

    Man seeking asylum seeks asylum... How ODD... What a shocking story! This is surely the end of Trump!

    • (Score: 2) by arslan on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:11AM

      by arslan (3462) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:11AM (#736895)

      That's not all. The horror on top of the shock is he's seeking asylum from Russia... newsworthy indeed

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:29AM

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:29AM (#736840) Homepage Journal

    This was not long after its publication of the US diplomatic cables.

    The reason given that the Russian docs were never published was that the Russians let Assange know that he'd be killed if he published them.

    I really don't know whether either of these are true, it's just something I read somewhere.

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:06AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:06AM (#736859)

    Fleeing extra-jurisdictional prosecution, has sod all to do with fostering relationships with anyone.

    Of course having said that, I must be a rusky too. I can see my skin getting whiter, and a have a sudden desire to drink stoli. Aaaah! I believe in the free speech, especially when it fucks the government. Err. Now I have this weird need to buy furs, and listen to techno. hold on.... Now I'm having trouble speaking za amerikanski. Aaaaah I'm becoming a rusky! Oh no!

    Isvenitcia Comrade!

    Clearly that is how it works if your the FBI. LOL.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by MostCynical on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:19AM

    by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:19AM (#736885) Journal

    fake leak or leak of fake?

    Real leak, fake information?

    No one is going to create or provide original versions of documents, no one with original versions is going to provide hashes for verification, (which won't exist for photographed or copied extracts anyway), and no one trusts any source (or, at least, they shouldn't

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Captival on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:37AM (5 children)

    by Captival (6866) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:37AM (#736889)

    Leaking documents that show how corrupt and evil Hillary was is a horrible crime. The MSM refused to report the contents of their emails, and Assange was Public Enemy #1. CNN even had the gall to tell you it's illegal for you to look at the emails. [twitter.com]

    But now the media is leaking on Wikileaks instead of the other way around. So leaking is a heroic and noble act that good people do.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:20AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:20AM (#736911)

      Leaking documents that show how corrupt and evil Hillary was is a horrible crime.

      That is exactly right. Curse you, russian hackers! It was her turn!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:57AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:57AM (#736914)

      Well at least that "illegal" bullshit didn't hold for even a second. Hope for humanity!

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by dry on Wednesday September 19 2018, @05:15AM (2 children)

      by dry (223) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @05:15AM (#736916) Journal

      I just don't understand how Hillary hasn't been so much as charged with a crime. Seems that Congress spent more time investigating her then governing and yet never found anything worth charging her for. Is she such a super criminal or was the idea to just imply that she is so corrupt?

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 19 2018, @11:44AM (1 child)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @11:44AM (#736994) Journal

        Donna Brazile's expose sheds some light on that.

        Recall back when she was running for the Democratic nomination against Barack Obama she controlled a large swathe of the DNC. The electeds all favored her, all the party insiders favored her. Obama ran a good ground game, and mounted a solid grassroots platform online. He was vastly more likeable than she was, to boot. But even with all that going for him he was only barely able to squeak past her.

        So she used her position as Secretary of State to further lock in the Clintons' control of the DNC, to make sure that wouldn't happen again. Once you get control of the DCCC and DSCC, the Democratic Campaign Committees for Congress and the Senate, you own all the Democratic electeds up and down the ticket. Obama, as President, could have blocked all that but he ceded it to her as the price of not fighting a civil war in the party while he was trying to run his administration.

        By extension, when you control the electeds you control investigating committees and have a good deal of influence over executive branch agencies who would also investigate crimes because they depend on those committees for funding.

        In short, when you have positioned yourself at the center of the web of corruption that is DC, you do have a license to steal.

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        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:55PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:55PM (#737077)

          The DCCC is controlled more by Nancy Pelosi than Hillary Clinton. Which explains why she's remained the leader of the Democrats in the House despite constantly losing election after election and being completely unable to articulate a coherent platform: She buys off her caucus with DCCC money, and if anyone refuses to play ball they'll be facing an extremely well-funded candidate in the primary. She does this because she receives more donation cash as minority leader than she would as a backbencher in a Democratic majority. Also worth mentioning is that the DCCC and DNC are supposed to remain neutral in House primaries, but have decidedly not been [theintercept.com].

          The DSCC also has a similar relationship with Chuck Schumer, but the senate has fewer races in play each year and fewer primary challenges. However, a very notable case occurred in 2006: In Connecticut, a primary challenger took on Joe Lieberman, and won against pretty much all odds. The DNC, DSCC, and national Democratic leaders pulled out all the stops in the general election to back the now-independent Lieberman against their own party's candidate. There was absolutely no excuse for it - the Republicans had zero chance of winning the seat. Which makes that race a perfect demonstration of exactly what the Democrats think of their own voters.

          As for Hillary Clinton, I sincerely hope she considers herself retired from politics. The worst possible move she could make is trying to run again. Of course, she's not exactly what I'd call a brilliant political strategist.

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by canopic jug on Wednesday September 19 2018, @05:36AM (8 children)

    by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 19 2018, @05:36AM (#736920) Journal

    It would have been interesting had it been true, but it is a falsehood.

    What actually is interesting is how quickly and widely it spread with even the active help of news services like the Associated Press which used to fact check. Too much disinformation is spread via Twitter which is actively tilting the discourse by shadowbanning or suspending supporters, including Julian's mother, at moments like this. IThe summary could have been better. It is poor form that SN is part of spreading lies.

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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 19 2018, @11:52AM (4 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @11:52AM (#737002) Journal

      Lies don't spread like that. Salacious lies do.

      Meanwhile, fact checking has always been hard, and Millenials don't do hard. They might have to look something up in a library, or call somebody, or, ugh, travel to interview somebody (then they'll have to bag on the jello-fest performance art at Galapagos this weekend, which is total oh noes).

      This lie, in particular, is a stupid lie built on top of a stupid narrative that Russians are some n-dimensional chess players pulling on every string, undermining American democracy, when they can't even run their own country or find a way to extend the average life expectancy of their men past 66 years old by having them not drink themselves to death on bootleg vodka. A country that cannot manage to keep their most valuable geopolitical asset, nuclear ICBMs, in silos that do not fill up with water is not a country that can do anything like what the Establishment wants us to believe.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:29PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:29PM (#737040)

        Meanwhile, fact checking has always been hard, and Millenials don't do hard.

        Ah, that explains our resident carrion bird!

        Damn "Millenials!"

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:34PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:34PM (#737072)

          He has joined the forces of poop and refuses to accept responsibility for his own faults. I predict millenials will finally fix the world once these dinos finally over-botox.

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:16PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:16PM (#737087)

        Meanwhile, fact checking has always been hard, and Millenials don't do hard.

        That's not really a millennial thing: As you point out, fact-checking has always been hard, which is why propaganda has always existed. It's been particularly sophisticated since the work of Edward Bernays, who applied psychology to train politicians, PR flaks, business executives, and advertisers on exactly how to bypass humans' rational brains to convince them to believe whatever they've been told to believe.

        And the simplest example of how effective propaganda is: Most Americans throughout the Cold War thought that they were on defense, when in fact they were mostly on offense.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @11:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @11:32PM (#737296)

        According to Fox News, all of the accusations against President Trump are also fake news.

        Why do you trust RT's reporting at face value? For that matter, why do you trust Assange's denial of the story at face value? And does that same logic apply to President Trump when he denies reports of various things?

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:07PM (1 child)

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:07PM (#737082)

      I'm not sure I'd go with RT as my source for that.

      My guess would be that yes, Assange tried to go to Russia when he got word that the US was going to try to have him arrested in the UK, extradited to Sweden on extremely weak charges, and then immediately sent to the US to be on the receiving end of the Chelsea Manning treatment (in case you forgot, years of torture before trial that eventually compelled him to confess to the crime, exactly what the Bill of Rights was supposed to prevent). He would have tried to go anywhere he could where he thought the US couldn't get to him under those conditions. Assange was smart enough to know he needed the aid of a sovereign nation that was not allied with the US to protect himself, the more powerful the better, which means I'd fully expect him to have approached the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, the North Koreans if he had a way to do that, and quite a few other countries before ending up trapped in the embassy of Ecuador.

      None of that discredits the information he has leaked so far, of course, but the Grand Trump-Russian Conspiracy requires that any and all communications between anyone thought to be involved in Clinton's loss and the OMG! RUSSIANS!!! be considered "proof".

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      • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Thursday September 20 2018, @04:04AM

        by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 20 2018, @04:04AM (#737378) Journal

        I'm not sure I'd go with RT as my source for that.

        No news site is 100% on all topics, there are varying levels of bias per topic in the best of them. RT is good on some topics. This is one of them. Even so. in all cases, with all decent news sites, you still have to use windage when aiming for the truth.

        The Washington Times seems to be the only other one to cover it -- lately. Their article was WikiLeaks denies Julian Assange sought Russian visa [washingtontimes.com]. The fake documents were already dismissed long ago, but it's now permanently buried by the search engines. However Wikileaks is doing a poor job at communicating by attempting to do everything through Twitter instead of running a blog on self-hosted systems.

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    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 19 2018, @05:43PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @05:43PM (#737138) Journal

      It would have been interesting had it been true, but it is a falsehood.

      Guy who might've done something shady denies it...

      I wouldn't really call that evidence that it's a falsehood. And the summary notes that it's disputed.

      So about the worst you can say is that we don't know for sure.

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